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Old Posted Jul 18, 2014, 11:24 PM
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Streetcars in the city. Trains too.
Anybody smart enough to know the video source?
It's the Taxi scene from Harold Lloyds 1928 silent movie "Speedy"

(Found it in the Comments section of the YouTube source. I assume it's accurate)
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That's a big negatory on the 13th & Lincoln property. I won't get into the details, but nothing is likely to happen on that site any time soon.
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Lawyers, ostensibly.
Nah. Let's not be Texas, even if UChicago and New York City would be sympathetic.
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I heard that......... oxford , or not

     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 4:32 AM
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Love it! Great song too. Not surprisingly, a fav of mine since I was a kid. Who doesn't love a song with "City" in the title?
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Just what downtown needs... Rant, rant ahead.

Rant proposal:

Like metro supported funding for a new stadium, a $450 million voter approval plus a $650 million funding commitment from the State and lastly a $250 minimum pledge of funds from the private/corporate community. The plan would be for 20% to go to the CU Boulder campus and the other 80% to go for the acceleration of the Auraria Master Plan.

Presumably the State portion would be part of a larger package for the whole state (which would include additional CU funding). If you assume this would take 2-3 years to put in place and a build-out over 10-12 years then you're looking 15 years (in total) down the road (not unlike Fastracks).


Rant Rant:

If there's one thing that "this place" has gotten right it's the huge investment made over the last decade and still going in higher education. Why would such a cheap place do that?
Not unlike Denver and Colorado in the 1990's, Arizona and Phoenix Metro needs to diversify their economy and they want to raise the perception and reputation of their academic standing.

ASU has doubled the size of their Engineering School and intends to increase it by another 50%. They've made similar additions to their sciences capacity. The W.P. Carey School of Business which is already well regarded is also being expanded. Etc. Etc. The ASU Main Campus (in Tempe) is now over 55,000 students. They have another 20,000 plus at other metro locations including downtown Phoenix.

The City of Phoenix has collaborated with ASU and to date the downtown campus is home to the "Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication, the College of Health Solutions, the College of Nursing and Health Innovation, the College of Public Programs and the School of Letters and Sciences." The The Sandra Day O’Connor College of Law will relocate downtown by the end of 2016.

Additionally the city set aside a significant nearby parcel of land to which both ASU and the UofA are building medical and bioscience school facilities.

With this commitment to education and other measures Arizona is promoting themselves as "Open for Business" and intending to compete Across the Board. Time will tell.

Colorado needs to also invest in their education infrastructure in order to continue to compete.
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Rant proposal:

Like metro supported funding for a new stadium, a $450 million voter approval plus a $650 million funding commitment from the State and lastly a $250 minimum pledge of funds from the private/corporate community. The plan would be for 20% to go to the CU Boulder campus and the other 80% to go for the acceleration of the Auraria Master Plan.

Presumably the State portion would be part of a larger package for the whole state (which would include additional CU funding). If you assume this would take 2-3 years to put in place and a build-out over 10-12 years then you're looking 15 years (in total) down the road (not unlike Fastracks).


Rant Rant:

If there's one thing that "this place" has gotten right it's the huge investment made over the last decade and still going in higher education. Why would such a cheap place do that?
Not unlike Denver and Colorado in the 1990's, Arizona and Phoenix Metro needs to diversify their economy and they want to raise the perception and reputation of their academic standing.

ASU has doubled the size of their Engineering School and intends to increase it by another 50%. They've made similar additions to their sciences capacity. The W.P. Carey School of Business which is already well regarded is also being expanded. Etc. Etc. The ASU Main Campus (in Tempe) is now over 55,000 students. They have another 20,000 plus at other metro locations including downtown Phoenix.

The City of Phoenix has collaborated with ASU and to date the downtown campus is home to the "Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication, the College of Health Solutions, the College of Nursing and Health Innovation, the College of Public Programs and the School of Letters and Sciences." The The Sandra Day O’Connor College of Law will relocate downtown by the end of 2016.

Additionally the city set aside a significant nearby parcel of land to which both ASU and the UofA are building medical and bioscience school facilities.

With this commitment to education and other measures Arizona is promoting themselves as "Open for Business" and intending to compete Across the Board. Time will tell.

Colorado needs to also invest in their education infrastructure in order to continue to compete.
<I made the first "bold" emphasis>


Investing in higher education is very difficult, due in part, to how universities divvy up the financial pie.

Public moneys need to be targeted to specific departments, rather than for the entire school. This can be very difficult to do with public moneys due to political problems within universities between schools (departments) being projected upon the public at large. Innumerable arguments concerning the "value of a liberal arts education" in general, and, the need to maintain "academic freedom" become labels for various departments insisting on an "equal" piece of the pie.

Private funding is totally different, as private money can be targeted at the request of the giver as it is a "gift" rather than being considered "funding."

If we want to improve our engineering education in Colorado, IMO, private seed money needs to targeted specifically at departments within the Colorado School of Mines, CU, and, CSU, for the express purpose of providing money to TEACH STUDENTS IN ENGINEERING CLASSES, not for research. While this would seem an intrusion into what higher education believes is their fundamental right to disburse money as they desire, IMO, the cost benefits of targeted funding is far higher than having a given university handle the funds. Private gifts or endowments have the ability to be that specific.

In my opinion, if we want to increase our output of engineers, we need to do two things: first, encourage the moneyed few and corporations to donate targeted money to engineering departments via student scholarship money, and, second, we need to reduce the number of overseas engineers permitted per green card programs to enter and work for US companies on an annual basis.

The same issue also relates to computer programming.

Doing so would greatly irritate many involved in using foreign national "temps" as with that source of talent reduced, compensation in the US would have to increase.

(In other words, the key to the success of Arizona's efforts are the private moneys.)
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 4:40 PM
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Decrease green cards and you'll offshore a lot more work. Making the US need more STEM grads isn't going to create more STEM grads, even if it creates some upward pressure on wages.

As for universities building facilities, it's sort of like hospitals....building project after project might mean you're standing still. If CU has 10,000,000 sf of buildings (wild guess), renovating or building 5% of that at a time (hypothetically) is probably just maintenance, keeping in mind that major projects often take a couple years.

As for university research, it can be a big economic driver. For starters, it often represents money coming from out of town, becoming a net additive to the local soup. Two, it creates spin-offs. Three, in some fields like biotech, there tends to be a close symbiosis between industry and independent organizations and universities, like principal researchers also doing professor duty in the mornings, and a lot of grad students working half-days for local companies.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 7:53 PM
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Decrease green cards and you'll offshore a lot more work. Making the US need more STEM grads isn't going to create more STEM grads, even if it creates some upward pressure on wages.

As for universities building facilities, it's sort of like hospitals....building project after project might mean you're standing still. If CU has 10,000,000 sf of buildings (wild guess), renovating or building 5% of that at a time (hypothetically) is probably just maintenance, keeping in mind that major projects often take a couple years.

As for university research, it can be a big economic driver. For starters, it often represents money coming from out of town, becoming a net additive to the local soup. Two, it creates spin-offs. Three, in some fields like biotech, there tends to be a close symbiosis between industry and independent organizations and universities, like principal researchers also doing professor duty in the mornings, and a lot of grad students working half-days for local companies.
Disagree with point A. I know too many people who fell victim to the "scam" which starts with their having to teach green carded foreign professionals, followed by their job being outsourced. Now, I also know of highly talented US professionals who had to go to the Phillipines, China, and, India, where they taught locals their job skills and then lost their job.

The point is to change the market so that there is a greater need for entry level US engineers, programmers, chip designers, etc., AND provide undergraduates from US schools. As it is, entry level tech positions are scarce, and, the age gap between US professionals with experience and new professionals seeking jobs is widening. This gap is what is "outsourced."

I know about 20 people by name who taught their overseas replacements their job skills, and, about 2 people with incredible talent and experience who still are working at a higher level than when the outsourcing occurred.

I agree with you about the "new building problem." This often is a territorial game between departments, who define status within the school, in large part, by how fancy their space is.

That is why the money should be targeted via scholarships, rather than via a "block grant" type approach which does produce new buildings too often.
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You've shown that offshoring happens, but not why you plan would help reverse that trend. Overall, it sounds like while you'd help a lot of people you'd also damage that sector of our economy.

What's this "new building problem"? I have nothing against universities having good facilities (which has little to do with being a contractor for some of them!). Sometimes it's about adding capacity. Other times it's about getting out of the midcentury bunker into something that's both nicer, less energy-intensive to operate, able to handle current needs such as data connections, and up to current safety codes. And yes all of those things are important for attracting both faculty and students. On the research side, if you want to grow that sector, you'd better have good lab space the program can move into after funding.
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More proof about 1250 Cherokee:

Property Location: 1226-1250 Cherokee St., Denver

Property Description: Parking lot

Land Size: 37,500 sf

Sales Price: $4.6M, or $122.80 per sf

Closing Date: 6/19

Grantor: Percy 1230 LLC (Joy Hall, the Leith Ventures) and CPX GT Land LLC

Grantee: Residences on Cherokee LLC, c/o Integral (Atlanta) 404-224-1860

Financing: Buyer executed $3.1M note, payable to Stears National Bank

Comments: Two separate deeds with CPX GT Land (Mark J. Witkiewicz Sr.), selling for $2.22M and Percy 1230 LLC selling for $2.39M. Possible multifamily development.
It will be called Eviva:
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Wizened, "change the market for the workers"? Thats marksism for sure ...markets go where they go, but the labor force needs to adapt if they want to stay relevant and their maximize earnings
     
     
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You've shown that offshoring happens, but not why you plan would help reverse that trend. Overall, it sounds like while you'd help a lot of people you'd also damage that sector of our economy.

What's this "new building problem"? I have nothing against universities having good facilities (which has little to do with being a contractor for some of them!). Sometimes it's about adding capacity. Other times it's about getting out of the midcentury bunker into something that's both nicer, less energy-intensive to operate, able to handle current needs such as data connections, and up to current safety codes. And yes all of those things are important for attracting both faculty and students. On the research side, if you want to grow that sector, you'd better have good lab space the program can move into after funding.
The question in my mind is how to get more US engineering, biochemical, programming, hardware, undergraduates through the system. IMO, only through making the option affordable, can US students be attracted to fields that demand a lot of sweat and thought in their undergraduate prerequisites.

We have to get qualified entry level people here, long term.

You say that a great deal of damage would occur to the specific industries. This is true short term, but, over the medium term we would increase the value of US employees,which, in turn, would increase tax collections, the ripple effects due to increased recycling of money within the US, and, generate more real wealth (defined as area under the curve) in the system.

I think that short term positive effects outside affected industries, short term, would be huge. The PR affects on many currently disenfranchised, highly intelligent young people in US would be profound. As it stands today, almost anyone with an IQ over 120 is deeply cynical- and correctly so- about US business and their personal chances of success they choose(not are forced) to define.

The US should not continue selling it's seed corn (future high tech opportunities) in exchange for short term gain, no matter how high the price of corn is on the "commodities" market.

This is not "protectionism" in some hyperbolized market economy litany, but, simply a matter of hedging our Nation's bets.
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There's no easy answer. But part of it has to be keeping one of the most successful US industries in the US.

On the flip side, the goal of the H1B program should be "stars" not rank and file workers. We want the innovations, inventions, new businesses, etc., to happen here. But to do that, we need to draw the best and brightest out of foreign universities too, not just the ones with proven resumes.
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While I find the macro-economic debate fascinating, here is something we can all get properly outraged about:



Does anyone know the details here? Are they turning the actual station downstairs into parking? Or are they going to take the plaza away and turn into a freaking parking lot? That would literally turn one of the top-3 blocks in all of Denver into a disaster zone. It also sucks that they've stopped maintaining the plaza at all. It's a weed infested mess right now.

I can't imagine this is what anyone had in mind when they voted for Fast Tracks.
     
     
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While I find the macro-economic debate fascinating, here is something we can all get properly outraged about:



Does anyone know the details here? Are they turning the actual station downstairs into parking? Or are they going to take the plaza away and turn into a freaking parking lot? That would literally turn one of the top-3 blocks in all of Denver into a disaster zone. It also sucks that they've stopped maintaining the plaza at all. It's a weed infested mess right now.

I can't imagine this is what anyone had in mind when they voted for Fast Tracks.
They are repainting the underground area and turning it into a garage while the plans for the redevelopment of this block come together.
     
     
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The upkeep of the plaza is important, though.
     
     
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I believe the parking is temporary and will be entirely underground in the old bus terminal. I don't know who will then maintain the plaza, DDP? East/West Partners and Continuum , the DUS developers, have an agreement to close on the land by December 2015 so it may be sitting there while they focus on DUS, or maybe not if the economy stays strong. After Union Station this will be one of the most anticipated redevelopments in downtown Denver. I hope it is mostly residential with a Whole Foods. This would be a good location for Denver's only W Hotel that originally was going to be across the street where 16M is located (and is nearing completion).

http://m.bizjournals.com/denver/blog/ear...ats-next-for-market.html?page=all&r=full
     
     
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Alrighty then Glad to hear that it's not as bad as I feared.

I'll park my outrage for now...
     
     
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