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Old Posted May 27, 2023, 5:59 PM
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the interesting part of that article for me is the 50million figure towards FOC. Hmmm didnt recently Jasper say at least 100, maybe 200m towards FOC.

50 million will basically be a coat of paint. For comparison, the 5000 seat OLG hall in Niagara cost 130 million in pre covid dollars.

The kool aid drinkers will say but look at how much they are saving the taxpayer. Truth is HUPEG is not a charity doing it for the money.
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Old Posted May 27, 2023, 6:27 PM
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50 million is joke, agreed that will just be lipstick on a pig.
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Old Posted May 27, 2023, 8:13 PM
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Honestly don't think anything will happen on this file, sure it was envisioned being done with super cheap financing and that landscape has changed for the foreseeable future. Expect that this will get dragged out for as long as possible, and Hupeg will tap out noting unfavorable conditions.
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Old Posted May 27, 2023, 8:30 PM
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also no mention of OVG (Oak View Group) who would be the real drivers of the reno. On the OVG website they list the FOC as their first Canadian project. No time frame mentioned.
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Old Posted May 28, 2023, 12:27 PM
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Wonder if Vranich would’ve got this done quicker.
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Old Posted May 28, 2023, 12:40 PM
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Wonder if Vranich would’ve got this done quicker.
It would 100% be done by now with a nice coat of beige stucco on everything.
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It would 100% be done by now with a nice coat of beige stucco on everything.
+ a bunch of retail units that will sit empty for years
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Old Posted May 28, 2023, 2:34 PM
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Not to mention water leaking in on fans during rain storms
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...and he'd also square up the roof design, eliminating those fancy curves, giving Copps a nice commie look. Finished in mismatched white and black panels ofcourse!
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Rock will play the December slate of home games in Hamilton before moving to Mississauga for 20 months.
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the interesting part of that article for me is the 50million figure towards FOC. Hmmm didnt recently Jasper say at least 100, maybe 200m towards FOC.

50 million will basically be a coat of paint. For comparison, the 5000 seat OLG hall in Niagara cost 130 million in pre covid dollars.

The kool aid drinkers will say but look at how much they are saving the taxpayer. Truth is HUPEG is not a charity doing it for the money.
Bud Gardens in London is up for $33million in upgrades, and all this does is build a new warehouse at the back, refresh the Knights dressing room and update the kitchens and scoreboard. This for an arena half the size and age of FOC. If they aren't spending a couple hundred million on FOC, I think it will be a disappointment.
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They said they would spend at least the $50m required by the contract. That doesn't preclude them from spending more.
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Yes Ritsman, but the 50 m figure is right out of the mouth of Mercanti.

Previous releases hinted at spending more but this latest release was 50m.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2023, 3:09 AM
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"Our commitment to invest a minimum of $50 million"

He specifically said a minimum. Then also mentioned all the renos they plan to do, that will cost more than that. They may do a phased approach.

I suspect they will start with the inside, then perhaps once done, and start operating revenue service will begin the outside to pay for that portion of the plan.

Which is unfortunate because honestly the outside is the part we see the most often, but my hope is that the renovations make the inside a bit nicer and sound better so future concerts will be more likely to choose FOC.

They may be looking for a new sponsor to help with the funding as well. I believe I had hear the sponsorship deal with First Ontario was ending. I'd love a different name also since First Ontario Centre, and First Ontario Place are very confusing names.
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"Our commitment to invest a minimum of $50 million"

He specifically said a minimum. Then also mentioned all the renos they plan to do, that will cost more than that. They may do a phased approach.

I suspect they will start with the inside, then perhaps once done, and start operating revenue service will begin the outside to pay for that portion of the plan.

Which is unfortunate because honestly the outside is the part we see the most often, but my hope is that the renovations make the inside a bit nicer and sound better so future concerts will be more likely to choose FOC.

They may be looking for a new sponsor to help with the funding as well. I believe I had hear the sponsorship deal with First Ontario was ending. I'd love a different name also since First Ontario Centre, and First Ontario Place are very confusing names.
I don't know how Hamilton got 2 venues with the first 2 initials being F.O.

We should probably consider ourselves lucky this province isn't spelled 'Untario', right?

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I don't know how Hamilton got 2 venues with the first 2 initials being F.O.

We should probably consider ourselves lucky this province isn't spelled 'Untario', right?

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There are acronym word plays for the "C" too.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2023, 11:21 AM
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The Toronto Rock released a statement they will be playing their December 23 games at FOC, and maybe beyond that?
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2023, 4:06 PM
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Not much new in the release of the documents other than OVG has not signed on.
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2023, 4:27 PM
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Hamilton releases details on multimillion-dollar ‘entertainment precinct’ deal with downtown developers
Deal with a private group to overhaul arena and build ‘entertainment precinct’ has faced criticism over lack of transparency

By Matthew Van Dongen
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https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilto...-precinct.html

In the face of criticism over secrecy, Hamilton has released most of its agreement with a private group planning to renovate the city’s aging entertainment facilities and radically remake large swaths of the downtown.

The 84-page document, which is blacked out in some areas, provides details about a 49-year lease agreement signed in 2021 with the Hamilton Urban Precinct Entertainment Group (HUPEG) that promises a renovation of the city’s aging downtown hockey arena, concert hall and convention centre.

The city initially said it could not reveal contract details for commercial competitiveness reasons — but a newly elected council voted this week to release a redacted version of the original agreement.

“The new council and mayor have made it really clear that they have a mandate of transparency,” said tourism manager Ryan McHugh in an interview when asked why the document was released now.

The original deal was lauded by city politicians at the time because it promised no taxpayer dollars would be spent on either the rebuild or future operations of the buildings, which currently require a $5-million-plus annual subsidy.

In return, the consortium will operate the venues — and earn ownership of three downtown city properties with plans to create an “entertainment precinct” and build condos.

The deal has faced mounting criticism, however, as popular arena tenants like the Hamilton Bulldogs hockey team and Honey Badgers basketball club found homes elsewhere after apparent miscommunication over construction timelines.

At one point, it was also thought Hamilton’s Commonwealth Games bid might result in federal or provincial dollars being invested into the arena — but the city’s chances at hosting the event appear to have fizzled.

HUPEG president PJ Mercanti addressed some of that criticism in an op-ed in The Spectator last week, acknowledging residents want “greater clarity” on the details of the agreement.

“Given the taxpayer assets at play and the pride our community has in its teams and sports facilities, we get it,” he wrote, while adding he faced “limitation on what we can say publicly” due to confidentiality agreements with partners.

Some highlights of the information released Wednesday:

* The document says HUPEG will pay a $1 a year to lease each of the entertainment facilities it takes over. In return, it guarantees to invest a minimum $50-million into the arena renovation, $10 million into the convention centre, $2.5 million into the concert hall and a $2 million donation to a planned art gallery fundraising campaign.
* The consortium will use ticket surcharges to gradually build up a capital repair fund.
* The 2021-dated document does not reflect the important, recent change in the HUPEG partnership that added international heavyweight developer Oak View Group, which will take over renovations of FirstOntario Centre arena.
* No information about OVG was released, said city real estate head Ray Kessler, because negotiations over the arena and concert hall lease with the new partner are still being negotiated.

However, he noted the minimum arena investment noted in the master agreement — $50 million by HUPEG — is now out of date, because OVG has publicly pledged to add at least another $50 million on top. That means “the magnitude of improvements, to the lower bowl and overall, are going to be substantially more,” Kessler said.

The document says HUPEG will use “commercially reasonable efforts” to relocate the Salvation Army from its York Boulevard location — and that the city will help “facilitate” those efforts.

Neither the city nor HUPEG owns the shelter — and the Christian-based organization has previously said it has no current plans to move. McHugh said Wednesday the agreement does not reflect any desire on behalf of the city to see the shelter move — only an offer to “facilitate discussions” if desired.

The master agreement spells out that the renovation plan for the arena does not depend on Commonwealth Games funding becoming available from upper levels of government.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2023, 1:53 PM
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Shhh..listen carefully. That sound you hear is another nail in the coffin for FOC and downtown. Andlauer group to purchase Ottawa Senators.

With the way Andlauer was treated by our trusted stewards at City Hall, who could blame him giving the finger to the Hammer.

Having met Michael, congrats on getting the Sens.
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