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i hate if when people still say "ground zero", i always tell them it's the WTC (site, complex, ...)! btw love the trees.
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When will the No. 1 subway line be off the scaffolding and onto permanent supports?
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If the space were available, would have been nice to see one tree planted for every person that perished. Sort of like what was done with the Oklahoma City bombing memorial.
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The memorial Steel is really making its presence felt...

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Meanwhile, back to that WFC-WTC connection...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...rk_real_estate
World Financial Overhaul Hits Snag

By ELIOT BROWN
October 4, 2010

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The owners of the massive four-tower World Financial Center complex in Lower Manhattan are slated to unveil on Tuesday plans for a major overhaul of the complex's retail and a remake of its eastern entranceway and signature Winter Garden indoor plaza.

But even before the design of the $200 million-plus project has been widely released, the owners, Brookfield Properties, have hit a possible snag. The firm faces resistance to its plan to remove the Winter Garden's sprawling marble staircase. City Planning Commission chairwoman Amanda Burden has objected to designs for the revamped plaza, and community members fear the loss of an iconic space that once led to a bridge to the old World Trade Center before it was destroyed.

"People walked up on the bridge to go from the Trade Center to the World Financial Center and the staircase at that point served as a monumental entrance," said Linda Belfer, chairwoman of the local community board's Battery Park City committee. "Much of the community is concerned about it."

For years, Brookfield has been pondering a redo of the complex's retail and its Winter Garden, the expansive palm tree-lined indoor space that sits below a signature bubbling glass atrium. The popular area and tourist attraction often holds concerts, festivals and other public events with the staircase serving as an amphitheater of sorts where people sit.

Facing a series of major lease expirations in the next few years that Brookfield is seeking to replace, the project has gained urgency lately given that the leasing job could be made easier by the prospect of a renovation.

Under Brookfield's plan, the firm would remove the stairs at the eastern end of the 1980s Cesar Pelli-designed complex. That would effectively extend the open plaza to a revamped entrance at West Street to meet an underground connector with the PATH and subway system under construction at the World Trade Center site. The plans call for new escalators by the eastern entrance.

With thousands of commuters expected to pour through that entrance every morning, Brookfield argues the stairs' removal is essential given that workers and residents would otherwise be funneled into the existing narrow entrance constrained by the staircase. The firm plans to present the plans to the local community board Tuesday.


"People that are coming into the World Financial Center for the first time will be entering the complex from the street level—that's basically the new reality that we've had to deal with," says Ric Clark, Brookfield's CEO. Having the bulk of commuters come through the existing entrance, keeping the stairs in tact is "not appropriate, and it's not safe," he added.

"Had this new reality been in existence at the onset, the complex wouldn't have been designed with steps," he says.

But Brookfield's plans haven't been embraced by the Department of City Planning in earlier presentations, meeting criticism from Ms. Burden, who cut her teeth in planning at Battery Park City and is known for her obsession with detail of design.

This has put her at odds with John Zuccotti, the co-chairman of Brookfield's board who was Chairman of the City Planning Commission in the 1970s. In a June letter to Mr. Zuccotti, she wrote that "removing the stairs creates a substantial void which cannot be filled by a small temporary stage and curtain," which Brookfield had proposed. "We think it is highly questionable as to whether there is compelling rationale for removing the stairs, which are used regularly by a broad range of people throughout the day," she wrote.

Should revisions by Brookfield fail to appease Ms. Burden, it's not clear that she would have the ability to block the stairs' demolition. Brookfield believes it doesn't need her direct approval. However, her assent would be needed for a planned glass-clad pavilion that would expand out of the eastern entrance and enclose the entranceway to the PATH and subways.

The pavilion and Winter Garden redo would be coupled with a major renovation of the complex's retail. Mr. Clark said food-service retail currently takes in about $55 million in revenue a year, a number he would hope to expand. Leasing retail space at the World Financial Center has always been challenging partly because there's far less traffic there during nights and weekends. However, the residential population of Battery Park City has grown substantially over the years, a market Brookfield seeks to better target.

Brookfield hopes to start construction by the end of the year, targeting early 2013 for a full completion.

"When the World Financial Center was built, the retail was really an afterthought," Mr. Clark says.
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I'd love to keep the stairway, but the overhaul is needed. The WFC at street level is a disaster, and that can be fixed. I don't think it'd be to hard to keep the stairs and put up a new entranceway. On the other hand any new entranceway like the one shown in Brookfield's rendering would block the views from the stairwell, the best part of it. Hopefully something creative can be worked out.
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This is the rendering I refer to.


And here is a diagram by lofter1 at WNY, Thanks be to him.
You can see that the viewing platform would be totally blocked under this plan.
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2010, 1:34 AM
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And here is a diagram by lofter1 at WNY, Thanks be to him.
You can see that the viewing platform would be totally blocked under this plan.
That is a plan by Brookfield to creat something else at the site. Saying that the stairway causes a problem is an entirely different argument on their part. The bottom line is there is already an entrance beneath the stairs - and they don't block that and they won't. What Brookfield needs to focus on instead is creating a face for the WFC like it has on the river facing side, which is always full of life.

This is a case where I really wouldn't care if Amanda Burden somehow blocked it. BTW, most of the people who utilize that stairway are looking towards the Hudson River and the palm views...
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That is a plan by Brookfield to creat something else at the site. Saying that the stairway causes a problem is an entirely different argument on their part. The bottom line is there is already an entrance beneath the stairs - and they don't block that and they won't. What Brookfield needs to focus on instead is creating a face for the WFC like it has on the river facing side, which is always full of life.

This is a case where I really wouldn't care if Amanda Burden somehow blocked it. BTW, most of the people who utilize that stairway are looking towards the Hudson River and the palm views...
Exactly. If they add this extension, the stairs won't be blocking anything. At the most a little restructuring of the stairs would be required.
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With this render(it blew me out of my shoes) with the amount of space they have there, it looks like they're extending the Winter Garden, while maintaining the view.
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With this render(it blew me out of my shoes) with the amount of space they have there, it looks like they're extending the Winter Garden, while maintaining the view.
The plan is to remove the stairway. Basically what you would have is an elargeded area for pedestrian circulation - not exaclty the Wintergarden we have today which holds many public events (the stairway serving as a sort of amphitheater).


http://tribecatrib.com/news/2010/oct...novations.html
Community Board Gets First Look at Winter Garden Renovations



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Until this week, it had been difficult to visualize the World Financial Center’s soaring Winter Garden atrium without its signature marble staircase.

No more, as the building’s owners, Brookfield Properties, finally revealed their vision for a drastic renovation of the Winter Garden to a Community Board 1 committee Monday night; work that needs to be done to accommodate the western end of the Port Authority’s underground pedestrian walkway linking Battery Park City to the new World Trade Center. Their plans include a glimmering, two-story glass pavilion for the tunnel’s entryway, a sprawling food court overlooking the Hudson River and, indeed, the demolition of the grand staircase.

The semicircular staircase was rebuilt with exquisite care after it was crushed on Sept. 11, 2001.

“This is the first opportunity we’ve had to really open the [Winter Garden’s] doors to Lower Manhattan,” Brookfield’s Vice President of leasing, Daniel Cheikin, said of the glass entryway during a meeting with CB1’s World Trade Center Redevelopment Committee. Within the planned pavilion, six escalators rise from the western edge of the connector tunnel to meet a gaping proscenium where the grand staircase and a wide, east-facing viewing area is now located.

The elimination of the stairs would provide an unobstructed view towards the Hudson, an experience lost in the destruction of the footbridge that once connected the atrium and the World Trade Center. New escalators would be installed near the center of the atrium to account for the loss of access to the second level.

Cheikin said that Brookfield has spent more than two years and “several million dollars” developing its proposal.


“The idea is to create complete visual transparency between the center of the Trade Center site and the Hudson River,” he said.

But Cheikin said the reason the stairs must go is not an aesthetic but a practical one—to allow for the crush of pedestrian traffic that will set upon the Winter Garden once the connector tunnel is open in 2013.

More than 45,000 workers commute from Lower Manhattan to Battery Park City each day, and two-thirds of them are destined for the World Financial Center. Today, most of those workers use the temporary footbridge at Vesey Street to reach their offices. When the new pedestrian tunnel opens, Brookfield estimates it will see peak usage of more than 13,000 people per hour during morning and evening rush hours.

“This is the problem we’re trying to solve,” Cheikin said, adding that Brookfield initially believed leaving the stairs in place and adding escalators along the north and south walls of the atrium would have been the most logical solution. But, he said, traffic engineers hired by the company revealed that the 88-foot-wide, 15-foot-high wall supporting the staircase would have only served to choke pedestrian traffic if left in place.

“Their estimation was that on Day One, we would have a failed pedestrian system,” Cheikin said at the Oct. 4 meeting.

Members of CB1’s Battery Park City Committee, which was scheduled to receive the same presentation the following night, have already expressed opposition to the loss of the stairs.

“A lot of people there are very upset about the idea of losing those stairs,” said CB1 member and Battery Park City resident Bill Love at the Oct. 4 meeting. “I understand the problem with the traffic flow, but...those stairs are an iconic structure, they’re a great benefit to the community and I’d really hate to see them go.”

“We like those stairs, too,” Brookfield’s Executive Vice President Lawrence Graham responded. “We looked at solutions that [would have saved the stairs], and those solutions, believe it or not, were worse than the one we have.”

In a letter to Brookfield, city Planning Commissioner Amanda Burden was firmly critical of the plan to eliminate the staircase, noting that it would “create a significant void” in the Winter Garden given both their physical dominance of the space and their practical worth to atrium visitors.

It was believed by some that Brookfield’s plan to reconfigure the Winter Garden was driven by a desire to expand the retail space available in the atrium. Brookfield’s Vice President of Design and Construction, Sabrina Kanner, said that the stairs’ removal will increase the atrium’s public space by roughly 30 percent, but would have no significant effect on its retail space.


“There’s no real, appreciable increase to the amount of retail space we’ll have at the Winter Garden with this,” said. “This doesn’t even get us back to the amount of retail we had prior to Sept. 11.”

“Even though I love the stairs, and my kids learned to walk downstairs on them, we have to move on,” committee member Elizabeth Williams said. “I, for one, think it’s a terrific plan.”

Beyond the changes to the Winter Garden’s atrium, Cheikin said the company is also planning to install a 714-seat food court on the second floor—space currently occupied by retail spaces and the Grill Room restaurant—overlooking the North Cove, replete with take-away counters and test kitchens run by “local restaurateurs.” Below it, Brookfield hopes to erect a fresh-food marketplace.

“We really believe that we can take this from a 5-day-a-week retail center to a 7-day-a-week retail center,” Cheikin said. “We think we can support a lot of the demand that’s pent up in Battery Park City today.”
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Renovations look great, but removing the marble floors is unjust. They are a near signature of the entire complex.
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New escalators, left, would be installed in place of the Grand Staircase to move commuters from the Winter Garden to the formal lobby on the second floor.




The 40 marble steps now serve as a community gathering place and often host free music and theater performances.




The upscale food court has room for about a dozen different restaurateurs to peddle their wares.




The food court will have more than 700 seats open to the public.




A new food court Brookfield is planning for the second story of the World Financial Center, just south of the Winter Garden.





Beneath the food court will be a market similar to Grand Central Terminal, but more inviting, Brookfield executives said.




Brookfield hopes the changes will serve lower Manhattan's growing residential population, in addition to the office workers.
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Oh well, looks like the 80’s interior of the WFC which I’ve always admired will be a thing in the past. Brookfield is doing the right thing though with these renovations to keep the complex relevant and up to date. Believe it or not, these buildings and grounds are going on 20+ years old; so some form of renovation needs to take place. I like the ideas and these renders of the changes, however, I don’t like the elimination of the staircase, as I’ve previously mentioned. Needless to say, it’s a staple of the complex and the area.
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I wonder what Pelli has to say about this. It'd be interesting to see his opinion
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whose the architect of the renovation?
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has anyone got a photo of when the bridge from the wtc connected to the wfc/winter gardens i have always wondered how it looked back then
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