The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[Helladog]

It's a shame we have to rely on heavy industry for economic growth here, but it seems there's not much left. Call centre jobs just aren't careers nor do they pay the bills.

I agree, our air can't take much more here, hopefully they will come up with a way to lessen the pollution.

[kwajo]

A few shots of the city from my trek shark fishing on the harbour at dawn this morning (including some of Partridge Island, which really should be open to public tours again):

[Seely32]

Nice pics....what are your camera settings for those sunrise shots.

P.s. Did you catch anything??

[Seely32]

UPTOWN SKYLINE CHANGING WITH THE TIMES



Published Thursday August 2nd, 2007
Appeared on page c3
New condominiums going up along the boardwalk are changing the skyline of the uptown. The condos are expected to be completed before the end of the year.

[ErickMontreal]

Trauma centre designated for Saint John

August 02, 2007 - 10:24 am
By: Broadcast News

SAINT JOHN, NB - A consultant's report is recommending one hospital be designated as the provincial trauma centre.

The report appears to lean towards the selection of the Saint John Regional Hospital as the centre, with hospitals in Moncton designated as the next level down in trauma care.

The Saint John hospital is currently the only one in the province with national certification as a trauma care centre.

The report, which makes 54 recommendations, also suggests an upgrade of the air ambulance service.

It also recommends that all hospitals be upgraded to provide a minimum level of trauma care and that a 1-800 number be established for doctors to access advice from the main trauma centre.

Health Minister Mike Murphy will set up a committee to review the recommendations and come up with a final action plan.
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Kwajo, Your photos are awesome, thank you.

[ErickMontreal]

Let private sector build multiplex, says councillor

Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon
Telegraph-Journal
Published Saturday August 4th, 2007
Appeared on page B1

SAINT JOHN - The city should explore public-private partnerships in developing a recreational multiplex facility, says Coun. Stephen Chase.

"It can make the cost of these projects more palatable to taxpayers," he said.

It can also make them affordable sooner without the city being dependent on "government handouts."

And it can improve the city's bottom line through associated revenue-generating opportunities, such as restaurants, shopping and hotels, said Chase.

There several examples of successful public-private partnerships across the country, he said, citing the Tim Hortons 4-Ice Centre in Moncton, the Hamilton 4-Ice Centre and Guelph Sports and Entertainment Centre as examples.

"Both the premier and prime minister have made overtures they'd be interested in seeing municipalities pursue this means of developing projects in the context of self-sufficiency," he added.

Common council has agreed to spend up to another $75,000 to further study developing a multiplex.

The decision comes on the heels of Grand Bay-Westfield and Quispamsis councils opting out of the project, while Rothesay council remains undecided about whether it will partner with Saint John or move forward with plans to twin the existing ice surface at Rothesay Arena on Hampton Road.

The city's multiplex steering subcommittee had been studying the possibility of building a $32-million regional facility on the East Side, complete with twin ice rinks and a field house.

But the plan could change dramatically now, said Coun. John Ferguson, chair of the city's recreation implementation committee.

The facility will undoubtedly be downsized if Saint John goes it alone and the design could be revamped to include other services, such as a gymnasium, court areas, or turf, he said.

Even the location could change to make it more convenient for Saint John residents, rather than being East to make it central for communities stretching from Grand Bay-Westfield to St. Martins and Rothesay.

"There's no question there's a need for recreational facilities," said Ferguson. "I'm not pleased we couldn't do it as a region. It makes economic sense."

Mayor Norm McFarlane doesn't fault the neighbouring communities, however.

He admits it can be easier to seek funding from the other levels of government together, but "you have to do what your own community wants you to do. I'm not going to argue with that.

"I'm sure our people will play in those rinks too," he said, referring to Quispamsis' plans to build its own facility and Rothesay exploring the idea of twinning.

But the study's even more important now, said McFarlane. "Seventy-five thousand dollars is a small amount to pay to make sure we're doing it properly "¦ I think it's money well-spent."

No timeline has been set for the study, but McFarlane expects it will be ready "as soon as possible."

City manger Terry Totten said the study will consider issues such as who the funding partners would be, what the needs of the community will be over the next 20 years, the best location for a multiplex, and whether its primary purpose would be to stimulate economic or neighbourhood development.

He doesn't want to raise community expectations about a multiplex being built in the short term though. The city has already committed to borrowing tens of millions of dollars for other infrastructure projects over the next 24 to 36 months, including harbour cleanup, waterfront development and a new police station, he said. A multiplex has not been among council's priorities.

"Having said this, analyzing, planning, conceptualizing and partnering should continue so that when and if the time is ever right, council can proceed."

A study identified an immediate need for an additional 140 hours a week of ice time in and around the city and 90 hours of field house use. That prompted the proposal to build a multiplex to serve the entire region.

Grand Bay-Westfield council decided a multiplex is not currently a priority for the town.

Quispamsis, meanwhile, plans to build its own $12 million facility near the town's recreation centre off Meenan's Cove Road.

Mayor Ron Maloney has said it will include an ice surface, outdoor pool, walking track and seating for about 400 people.

[brandenp]

Originally Posted by Seely32

With the new refinery and reactor saint john solidify's its place as a blue collar town. Most cities are moving past industry were try to become a powerhouse in a sector that is good for one thing money. Money means more than a viable enviroment to some people. People just keep puttin there head in the sand and say it wont effect them.. The oil industry will collapse one day and so goes industrial city's. Fredericton and moncton have gotten past this why can't we.

Alright Seely... Moncton has gotten past this eh? Well enlighten us... what does moncton have going for it? Other than call centres? At least Saint John has Industry, AND Call Centre, AND now the largest concentration of Commercial in one area East of Montreal... We have the cruise ship industry as well, due to the waterfront, something else moncton is lacking, The numerous amounts of Conventions uptown..... All pump money into the economy, Just to name a couple things, Dont be so narrow minded please.. You know as well as I do theres more than just the industrial sector here. Yes Saint John is known for is industrialness Just like Fredericton is known for Governmental stuff.. and Moncton... well... No Comment, I honestly dont think it has much goin for it, and as the ball in SJ continues to roll regarding, the Trauma Centre, Waterfront Development, 2nd Refinery, and continued housing developments here
They will be playing catch up to us soon

*End Rant* lol

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by brandenp

Alright Seely... Moncton has gotten past this eh? Well enlighten us... what does moncton have going for it? Other than call centres? At least Saint John has Industry, AND Call Centre, AND now the largest concentration of Commercial in one area East of Montreal... We have the cruise ship industry as well, due to the waterfront, something else moncton is lacking, The numerous amounts of Conventions uptown..... All pump money into the economy, Just to name a couple things, Dont be so narrow minded please.. You know as well as I do theres more than just the industrial sector here. Yes Saint John is known for is industrialness Just like Fredericton is known for Governmental stuff.. and Moncton... well... No Comment, I honestly dont think it has much goin for it, and as the ball in SJ continues to roll regarding, the Trauma Centre, Waterfront Development, 2nd Refinery, and continued housing developments here
They will be playing catch up to us soon

*End Rant* lol

I do not want to start a stupid fight between both cities but I have to rectify some facts. Up to now, I have been very pragmatic and critical in regard of Moncton but the city is clearly more than just call-center hub. Of course, Moncton has a critical number of call-center jobs such as Saint john has a critical mass of JD Irvings jobs through all these subdivisions.

Furthermore, the economy of Moncton is far more diversified than any other cities in this province. There are transportation companies, insurance head offices operations, manufacturers, food processors, software companies, national call centres and administrative centres.

Like you said, Saint John has the most important concentration of commercial in one area, however, Champlain place has twice size of Mccalister place as well as Moncton has more than 45 national stores that Saint john does not have. In fact, Moncton does not have neither cruiseship and waterfront as well. Saint John has to capitalize on this issue like Moncton did with the airport. At this point, Moncton and Saint John got the same average of conventions, Moncton does not have convention center though. We all know one day or other Moncton will get convention center, it could be shorter than later.

I always said that i prefer Saint John urbanity. I mean Moncton has to learn about it, Waterfront development is a great example.

We just try to point out, how all these industries will help to increase the quality of life of the citizens and help to change the mind of outsiders as well.

[Seely32]

Originally Posted by brandenp

Alright Seely... Moncton has gotten past this eh? Well enlighten us... what does moncton have going for it? Other than call centres? At least Saint John has Industry, AND Call Centre, AND now the largest concentration of Commercial in one area East of Montreal... We have the cruise ship industry as well, due to the waterfront, something else moncton is lacking, The numerous amounts of Conventions uptown..... All pump money into the economy, Just to name a couple things, Dont be so narrow minded please.. You know as well as I do theres more than just the industrial sector here. Yes Saint John is known for is industrialness Just like Fredericton is known for Governmental stuff.. and Moncton... well... No Comment, I honestly dont think it has much goin for it, and as the ball in SJ continues to roll regarding, the Trauma Centre, Waterfront Development, 2nd Refinery, and continued housing developments here
They will be playing catch up to us soon

*End Rant* lol

I by no means think moncton is a better city, I was simply talking about the lifestyle in a industry city is completely different than a city that is a governmental city or a college town. I was just saying that the industry makes me sick because we just hand over our city to Irving(not that they dont have it aready). Emissions,Poor Air quailty and waste are things that they will bring to the table . I am sorry if you misunderstood me, I completely agree Saint John has more going for and I wouldnt want to live in any other city in atlantic canada...BUt that said industry will collapse I would just like to see us go in a different direction that can protect the city long term. If you are looking for an immediate remedy than there it is but who will really see all the money when the plant is finished and the boom is over. Irving wil have us by the balls.

lol a good rant is alright I'd rather hear your opinion then have none at all.

[Downtown Bolivar]

^^^I don't see people in Edmonton and Calgary panicking over capitalizing on the energy sector. Make hay while the sun shines. The US is going to be addicted to oil for a very long time. Same for electricity--why not capitalize on huge American demand? Saint John is starting to realize its geographical importance when it comes to trade with its southern neighbor. It is a mini Boston.

By the way--I'm coming up to New Brunswick the week to visit the fam. Maybe I'll see you all around Saint John or Fredricton. I'll be based in Sussex.

[brandenp]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

I do not want to start a stupid fight between both cities but I have to rectify some facts. Up to now, I have been very pragmatic and critical in regard of Moncton but the city is clearly more than just call-center hub. Of course, Moncton has a critical number of call-center jobs such as Saint john has a critical mass of JD Irvings jobs through all these subdivisions.

Furthermore, the economy of Moncton is far more diversified than any other cities in this province. There are transportation companies, insurance head offices operations, manufacturers, food processors, software companies, national call centres and administrative centres.

Like you said, Saint John has the most important concentration of commercial in one area, however, Champlain place has twice size of Mccalister place as well as Moncton has more than 45 national stores that Saint john does not have. In fact, Moncton does not have neither cruiseship and waterfront as well. Saint John has to capitalize on this issue like Moncton did with the airport. At this point, Moncton and Saint John got the same average of conventions, Moncton does not have convention center though. We all know one day or other Moncton will get convention center, it could be shorter than later.

I always said that i prefer Saint John urbanity. I mean Moncton has to learn about it, Waterfront development is a great example.

We just try to point out, how all these industries will help to increase the quality of life of the citizens and help to change the mind of outsiders as well.

OK Sir.....
Since you seems to know so much Re: Moncton & Saint John... Do enlighten us... what are these 45 national stores that we dont have? Yes... Since you have an exact number of 45. I suspect you can list 45 pretty quickly. in in regards to McAllister Place / Champlain Place... It only has more sq footage, because we chose to originally build out Walmart, Future Shop, Sport Check ACROSS the street, @ First Westmoreland Shopping Centre, If we chose to not have the FWSC area, and threw it all in McAllister Place, Clearly we woulds have the advantage.
And Regarding National Call Centres... As do we..... Xerox, IBM, Air Canada, Exxon Mobile, JUST to name a few... Transportation Companies.... For Example, Midland just opened a new spot here on Bayside Drive as well, Not to mention the NB Dept of Energy moved here, as well, The residential growth is phenomenal, all through out the city, with Bentley Crossing now beginning phase two, along Harbour Passage/Chesley Drive.

Dont hold your breath about getting a convention centre. Just seems like Moncton thought up on their own, and keep whining to get one, when they dont realize that NB does NOT need 3.
Saint John, and soon to be Fredericton, will be sufficient.

Again, I repeat. Moncton is on its way OUT, and Saint John is on its way IN, with Fredericton next in line...>
Sorry to burst your bubble buddy.

And for head offices, i can name a few,
Moosehead, JDI Irving, John Howard Society, Atlantic Imports, Crosby Molasses, Aliants NB Corporate Offices. Again dont live in a bubble thinking that the world revolves around Moncton. Because clearly it no longer does. It only was to begin with because the old premier favored that place since he was from there.

Oh, have the tables have turned.

[Seely32]

Alright MY BAD with the moncton thing..Completely touchy subject..lol


No Calgary and Edmonton don't seemed to be worried but there taking there enviroment and absolutely trashing it. The U.S. is dependant on oil as long as we have republicans in office. The dems recently passed a bill that would tax oil companies 16 billion dollars for alternative energy. Bush Said he would veto it. I mean yea if its there capitalize on it and make some money. Doesnt mean its right and what we do now effects our future. Money now, But absolutely terrible air quality in the future. The pipeline going trough a provincial park. I'm all for the pipeline just not through Rockwood. In the short term I want all these projects for the city to happen...But I think that would narrow minded.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by brandenp

OK Sir.....
Since you seems to know so much Re: Moncton & Saint John... Do enlighten us... what are these 45 national stores that we dont have? Yes... Since you have an exact number of 45. I suspect you can list 45 pretty quickly. in in regards to McAllister Place / Champlain Place... It only has more sq footage, because we chose to originally build out Walmart, Future Shop, Sport Check ACROSS the street, @ First Westmoreland Shopping Centre, If we chose to not have the FWSC area, and threw it all in McAllister Place, Clearly we woulds have the advantage.
And Regarding National Call Centres... As do we..... Xerox, IBM, Air Canada, Exxon Mobile, JUST to name a few... Transportation Companies.... For Example, Midland just opened a new spot here on Bayside Drive as well, Not to mention the NB Dept of Energy moved here, as well, The residential growth is phenomenal, all through out the city, with Bentley Crossing now beginning phase two, along Harbour Passage/Chesley Drive.

Dont hold your breath about getting a convention centre. Just seems like Moncton thought up on their own, and keep whining to get one, when they dont realize that NB does NOT need 3.
Saint John, and soon to be Fredericton, will be sufficient.

Again, I repeat. Moncton is on its way OUT, and Saint John is on its way IN, with Fredericton next in line...>
Sorry to burst your bubble buddy.

And for head offices, i can name a few,
Moosehead, JDI Irving, John Howard Society, Atlantic Imports, Crosby Molasses, Aliants NB Corporate Offices. Again dont live in a bubble thinking that the world revolves around Moncton. Because clearly it no longer does. It only was to begin with because the old premier favored that place since he was from there.

Oh, have the tables have turned.

Yes, I could list all. I`m not a Moncton fan, I just talking about
reality . I could understand you don`t like Moncton for few reasons, Its not my own business, you have to keep in your mind the facts though.

Moncton need a covention center just because the demand is there for it. Where the Premiers will come next week ?

Why do you think Moncton will get the major Casino in the province ? I could answer but I will keep it in this way.

Just to remind you, Moncton has Blue Cross, Atlantic Loterie, Assumption, Midland, Irving Paper, ARMOUR, CO-OP atlantique Mikes/Pizza Delight headquarter. There are few regional offices (NB) as Wanessesa, Co-operators Insurance, Rogers, MAPLE Leaf, Fedex, National Bank, BMO, Purolator, UPS, Shopper drugs mart, Loblaws, Pepsi and more. Moreover, there are few distribution centers and call-centers as well.

At the end of the day you need to realize that moncton success exist. I`m not blind, Moncton will stay Moncton, however, I just need to set the real facts up about both cities.

I need to take a choice between both ? Its a crime to defend both cities ?

Anyway

[SJTOKO]

[QUOTE=HalifaxMtl666;2992388]Moncton QUOTE]



[QUOTE=HalifaxMtl666;2992388] waterfront development QUOTE]

[SJTOKO]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

Moncton

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

waterfront development

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

convention center

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by SJTOKO

Well, anyway....

Likely that the Irvings carbon dioxide deteriorate your judgement

[brandenp]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

Yes, I could list all :

Then list them all, all 45 of them because i know its not true.
Enlighten us Sir Monctonian with all your knowledge.

[ErickMontreal]

1 :: Aldo
2 :: Aldo Accessoire (Coming Soon)
3 :: Access
4 :: Bootlegger
5 :: Boutik Electrik
6 :: Brass Decor
7 :: Buffalo Jean by David Biton
8 :: Cassis
9 :: Claire France
10 :: Children's Place, The
11 :: Clair de Lune
12 :: Coats Co.
13 :: Danier
14 :: Disney Store, the
15 :: D-Tox
16 :: Dynamite
17 :: Eddie Bauer
18 :: Envy
19 :: Gap/Gap kids, The
20 :: Laser Vison MD
21 :: Northern Getaway
22 :: Panhandler, The
23 :: Quilts Etc.
24 :: Tommy Hilfiger
25 :: Sunglass Hut
26 :: Sony Store, The
27 :: Souris Mini
28 :: Yves Rocher
29 :: What On Earth
30 :: Nutrition House
31 :: Marie Claire
32 :: The Shoe Company
33 :: Thyme Maternity
34 :: Bowring
35 :: Mr.Big and Tall
36 :: Sweet Factory/ Felix & Norton
37 :: Mexx/Mexx Kid
38 :: Sears Home
39 :: Costco
40 :: Chapters
41 :: PJC (Jean Coutu)
42 :: Princess Auto
43 :: Jacob (Opening 2008)
44 :: Mountain Coop equipement (Opening 2008)
45 :: Bricks (Opening 2008)
46 :: Second Cup
47 :: Timothy's Coffees of the World
48 :: Kernels
49 :: Jugo juice
50 :: St-Hubert
51 :: The Keg (Coming soon)
52 :: Little caesars Pizza
53 :: Don Cherry's Sports Grill
54 :: Montana's

[Helladog]

[SJTOKO]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

1 :: Aldo
2 :: Aldo Accessoire (Coming Soon)
3 :: Access
4 :: Bootlegger
5 :: Boutik Electrik
6 :: Brass Decor
7 :: Buffalo Jean by David Biton
8 :: Cassis
9 :: Claire France
10 :: Children's Place, The
11 :: Clair de Lune
12 :: Coats Co.
13 :: Danier
14 :: Disney Store, the
15 :: D-Tox
16 :: Dynamite
17 :: Eddie Bauer
18 :: Envy
19 :: Gap/Gap kids, The
20 :: Laser Vison MD
21 :: Northern Getaway
22 :: Panhandler, The
23 :: Quilts Etc.
24 :: Tommy Hilfiger
25 :: Sunglass Hut
26 :: Sony Store, The
27 :: Souris Mini
28 :: Yves Rocher
29 :: What On Earth
30 :: Nutrition House
31 :: Marie Claire
32 :: The Shoe Company
33 :: Thyme Maternity
34 :: Bowring
35 :: Mr.Big and Tall
36 :: Sweet Factory/ Felix & Norton
37 :: Mexx/Mexx Kid
38 :: Sears Home
39 :: Costco
40 :: Chapters
41 :: PJC (Jean Coutu)
42 :: Princess Auto
43 :: Jacob (Opening 2008)
44 :: Mountain Coop equipement (Opening 2008)
45 :: Bricks (Opening 2008)
46 :: Second Cup
47 :: Timothy's Coffees of the World
48 :: Kernels
49 :: Jugo juice
50 :: St-Hubert
51 :: The Keg (Coming soon)
52 :: Little caesars Pizza
53 :: Don Cherry's Sports Grill
54 :: Montana's

Wow! you really need to get a life dude....