The Canadian Electric Vehicle thread

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

Yes, but it is quite easy (at least it was when we last bought in '17) to find ICE cars in the sub-30K range. I haven't been looking, but anecdotally it doesn't seem like there are a lot of electric vehicles in that range.

Sure. But this tangent started with someone who was suggesting that every EV was a six figure vehicle. In reality, the average EV sold in Canada (heavily weighted by Model 3 and Model Y sales) is probably around the $60k mark.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Sure. But this tangent started with someone who was suggesting that every EV was a six figure vehicle. In reality, the average EV sold in Canada (heavily weighted by Model 3 and Model Y sales) is probably around the $60k mark.

Whatever happened to that $35k EV Elon used to promise?

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Whatever happened to that $35k EV Elon used to promise?

They sold it until 2021. $35k USD.

https://electrek.co/2020/11/16/tesla...-year-refresh/

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Whatever happened to that $35k EV Elon used to promise?

Gonna end up being the planned $25k EV sold at $35k if inflation keeps going.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

Yes, but it is quite easy (at least it was when we last bought in '17) to find ICE cars in the sub-30K range. I haven't been looking, but anecdotally it doesn't seem like there are a lot of electric vehicles in that range.

I'm not saying electrics can be had cheap, but they sure aren't all the $100K+ cars that some people seem to enjoy suggesting they are. And judging by how hot trucks have been for the last few years, it does appear that people are spending big on vehicles regardless of what kind of engine they have.

[travis3000]

Originally Posted by theman23

Tesla currently has 14% of the market share, and its dropping.

Tesla has 72% of the North American EV market share as per 2022 Q1 figures.

The 14% figure is global, and the reason for that is because all the China car companies gobble up the market share. Most of these brands don't even exist outside of Asia. There's also one European company that has decent share. But for a global car brand that sells everywhere, Tesla dominates.

[travis3000]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Sure. But this tangent started with someone who was suggesting that every EV was a six figure vehicle. In reality, the average EV sold in Canada (heavily weighted by Model 3 and Model Y sales) is probably around the $60k mark.

Yep, in Canada Tesla dominates the EV market (same with the USA). It's not even close. Last I checked it was like #1= Tesla with 70% of the share, and Hyundai at #2 with 8 or 9%.

[jonny24]

Originally Posted by esquire

I'm not saying electrics can be had cheap, but they sure aren't all the $100K+ cars that some people seem to enjoy suggesting they are. And judging by how hot trucks have been for the last few years, it does appear that people are spending big on vehicles regardless of what kind of engine they have.

You can get a truck for as low as 40k though, and less for mid-size, they're not all 80k luxury boats.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by jonny24

You can get a truck for as low as 40k though, and less for mid-size, they're not all 80k luxury boats.

Most people don't buy a $40k truck. Just like most people don't buy $40K Nissan Leafs as their first EVs.

The cheap trucks are there for corporate fleet buyers.

[Innsertnamehere]

Hell you can pick up a Maverick (technically a pickup) for $27k if you want.. Even those are typically optioned up to the upper 30's though, same as F-150's typically get optioned up to the mid to upper 50's for most buyers.

[homebucket]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Hell you can pick up a Maverick (technically a pickup) for $27k if you want.. Even those are typically optioned up to the upper 30's though, same as F-150's typically get optioned up to the mid to upper 50's for most buyers.

The Maverick is a good example of where EVs will hopefully get someday. I don't think we'll ever see a $25k EV at this rate due to inflation. By the time they get truly affordable (probably another 10 years at least), the entry level economy car is probably going to be starting at around $30k.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by Architype

Teslas are the new model T, ubiquitous here too. I think they have to walk a fine line, but even more colour variations, trim, and body styles could be an improvement. The public is used to small model year changes as a further incentive to buy, but to invest in a totally new model might be too risky. The EV market has not reached anywhere near maturity yet, so it's still a little hard to gauge the competition. What kind of new model do they need? As for charging networks, they need to be universal.

i'm on the wait list for a Hyundai Ioniq 5, I quite like it. Quite a few of them around now, well, few because they are completely unavailable to buy right now.

If this Tesla 2 come out it could be a contender. But its expected to be a 2025 model.

Various renderings out there, AFAIK there is no official render.


source


carscoops.com


autoevolution.com

[Djeffery]

We had Apple fanbois, and now we have Tesla fanbois lol

[Architype]

^ They look pretty good actually, the red one is rather Beetle-esque IMO.

I've seen the Ioniq 5, it's interesting, and quite a diversion from the Tesla.

[homebucket]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

i'm on the wait list for a Hyundai Ioniq 5, I quite like it. Quite a few of them around now, well, few because they are completely unavailable to buy right now.

If this Tesla 2 come out it could be a contender. But its expected to be a 2025 model.

Various renderings out there, AFAIK there is no official render.


source


carscoops.com


autoevolution.com

This actually looks pretty good.

[SpongeG]

Apple is coming out with a car, expected to cost over $100K At one point there was a possibility they would be working with Hyundai, but they confirmed they are no longer.


mashable.com

the Hyundai has two more ioniq models coming, they have stopped production of the original ioniq.

Original ioniq

ev-database.org

the Ioniq 7

motortrend.com

and ioniq 6

autodaily.com


autocar.co.uk

[Al Ski]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Maybe it's hard to buy at $37.5k. But your suggestion that EVs are all $100k vehicles is clearly BS.

Fair enough but the price will definitely lean I that direction.

The point I was trying to make is that most people can't afford to transition from their 2015 Civic to an EV.

And they will be increasingly less able to as we enter into our latest financial disaster.

[Nouvellecosse]

Those model 2 pictures are giving me Mazda vibes for some reason lol.

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Not even an EV related technology. You might expect growing pains from legacy automakers with regards to EV or battery related issues, but hub bolts coming loose is very strange for a company with the reputation of Toyota's. This probably signals a rush to push products to try to compete with Tesla and other legacy automakers that have already released EVs if something as simple as wheel hub bolts is overlooked.



https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/t...121441031.html

This is nothing new, nor is it purely the domain of 'legacy' makers. There are so many things that can go wrong through the engineering and production processes, it should be expected that a few problems will make it through to customers' cars, as unsettling an idea as that is.

Even "king" Tesla is subject to such problems and recalls. For example:

November 21, 2021 NHTSA Campaign Number: 21V912000
Suspension Knuckles May Fracture

Suspension links that separate can reduce vehicle stability and control, increasing the risk of a crash.

NHTSA Campaign Number: 21V912000

Manufacturer Tesla, Inc.

Components SUSPENSION

Potential Number of Units Affected 826

Summary

Tesla, Inc. (Tesla) is recalling certain 2020-2022 Model Y vehicles. The front and rear suspension knuckles may fracture, causing the suspension links to separate.

Remedy

Tesla Service will inspect and replace the knuckles as necessary, free of charge. Owner notification letters were mailed January 18, 2022. Owners may contact Tesla customer service at 1-877-798-3752. Tesla's number for this recall is SB-21-31-004.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2022/T...UV/RWD#recalls

Spend some time going through NHTSA's recall database. It can be quite eye opening if you're not familiar with such things.

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

autocar.co.uk

Porsche/Mercedes/Audi vibes.

I do like it for the most part, although the rear fascia could use with some cleaning up. It's a little busy back there.