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Old Posted Oct 19, 2006, 5:27 AM
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^ Jerde also designed 7+FIG shopping center. Not the best track record.
Yes, but Jerde also designed that spherical mall in Taipei you adore so much! Jerde is a legend, but a lot of their 80's stuff admittedly are a bit out of date.

Oh and he also did Horton Plaza and CityWalk so Jerde certainly can do kitsch when called upon!
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2006, 5:32 AM
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This is why downtown LA is going to be the REAL place for young professionals. Downtown has smarter ideas for itself. Hollywood keeps pulling this crap. First with Hollywood/Highland and now this.

An office park? Really? Hey, I know a way to make Hollywood the hip new place. Let's build an office park!

I totally disagree. Any successful community needs a healthy middle class job base. The Hollywood core, and particularly this area called the "Hollywood Media District" is still the center for postproduction (followed closely by Burbank). Deluxe, CFI, Pacific Title, Laser Pacific, and many other post houses are based in the area. One of the great local industries we still have in the LA area is the post production and production service industries that have remained in the LA area, both film and digial-oriented.

I see this project as a promising way to attract "hip" industries with an attractive, uptodate, and fully-functional industrial facility. If anything, we need more of this in the Hollywood core. Industrial vacancy rate in LA county is about 2.8% at best. This only helps our middle class and well-paid job base.
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I am sure that a design that weaves their facilities into the urban fabric, providing for a more urbane and pedestrian oriented Hollywood would be much better appreciated by residents/tenants and visitors alike. Perhaps building the facilities with retail/offices below to enliven the streetscape could be considered. Just because post production facilties have always been built inward facing does not mean that the the Industry should continue with their same M.O. ad nauseum . Where is the creativity and sensitivity to place? The City already has way too many large blank walls facing the street ala Arclight on Vine south of Sunset, Bonaventure Hotel, and even West Hollywood Gateway.
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I don't wanna hear anyone citing me for being negative (attn: colemonkee & LASF!!! ) when I see all of the nitpicking & angst above.

Oh, ferrchrissakes. OK, the Jerry Snyder proj isn't the most beautiful, the most wonderful, the most amazing type of devlpt imaginable. But in the context of Hollywood, land of the deadzone parking lot & ratty store up the wazoo, & where there remains a TON-----yea, a TON----of sites that still desperately need to be cleaned up & filled in, all this unhappiness is an example of misplaced priorities.

Honestly, it's like a 600 pound person complaining about & getting all upset over the waitress at the restaurant who's just brought him a regular Coke instead of a Diet one.
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2006, 6:25 AM
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Hahahah you and your analogies, similes or whatever.

Relax, it's not like it's going on any of the main tourist oriented, residential oriented neighborhoods in Hollywood. It's in a particularly seedy region of Hollywood. And if any of you read the article, the design was to attract young studio types who like those types of spaces and design aesthetics.

I don't particularly like the design, but to quote someone, "another DEADZONE cleaned up!"

Ocman, you're right about Hollywood & Highland. Hopefully much more can be done at the most famous intersection in the world!

MapGoulet, I agree completely.

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^ I wouldn't be as exasperated at all the unpredictable reactions found among the public----running the gamet from chronic NIMBYism all over town, to new loft or apt-condo dwellers in DTLA yelping about shadows caused by proposed highrises, to homeowners in Brentwood several yrs ago complaining about the Getty Museum's wall being too white, to ppl in the Hollywood hills groaning about the size of signage at the Hollywood/Highland proj & the traffic it would create-----if it did include, at the same time, a lot of bitching about the things in LA that really do stink to the high heaven.

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I totally disagree. Any successful community needs a healthy middle class job base. The Hollywood core, and particularly this area called the "Hollywood Media District" is still the center for postproduction (followed closely by Burbank). Deluxe, CFI, Pacific Title, Laser Pacific, and many other post houses are based in the area. One of the great local industries we still have in the LA area is the post production and production service industries that have remained in the LA area, both film and digial-oriented.

I see this project as a promising way to attract "hip" industries with an attractive, uptodate, and fully-functional industrial facility. If anything, we need more of this in the Hollywood core. Industrial vacancy rate in LA county is about 2.8% at best. This only helps our middle class and well-paid job base.
i agree. its not like this is in the middle of Hollywood BLVD. this is around other big studios and office parks that take up big chunks. lets keep these projects in that area, and it offers positives, such as hleping clean up that area, bring back entertainment to Hollywood and bring in Mid level income jobs to LA.
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i agree. its not like this is in the middle of Hollywood BLVD. this is around other big studios and office parks that take up big chunks. lets keep these projects in that area, and it offers positives, such as hleping clean up that area, bring back entertainment to Hollywood and bring in Mid level income jobs to LA.
By the way, I used to work in post production on Seward street just south of this project. The area could use a redevelopment enema. It's downright ugly, the housing is dilapidated, and many of the older industrial buildings are obsolete from a real estate perspective.

Industrial redevelopment is a golden opportunity. To expect an industrial complex to be mixed-use and pedestrian friendly, is an unrealistic expectation and throws the baby out with the bathwater in my opinion.

This is an ailing industrial area being redeveloped as an industrial area. It can only help the surrounding economy and hopefully help those pedestrian-oriented cafes and restaurants on Hollywood Boulevard and environs with a larger lunch crowd that has the money to not have to brown bag it everyday.
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i dont like it either
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ummm! not to change the subject but my parents live in Redlands, and the University of Redlands has a giant R onthe North Slope of the San Bernardino Montains. It looks really nice during the day. This week they have lit the R at night with LED lights there not that bright but u can totally tell where the letter is! and its solar powered! i think we should press the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce to learn and consider the idea of what the U of R has done. Maybe they could bring back the tradition of the Hollywood sign being lighted at night!!!
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ummm! not to change the subject but my parents live in Redlands, and the University of Redlands has a giant R onthe North Slope of the San Bernardino Montains. It looks really nice during the day. This week they have lit the R at night with LED lights there not that bright but u can totally tell where the letter is! and its solar powered! i think we should press the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce to learn and consider the idea of what the U of R has done. Maybe they could bring back the tradition of the Hollywood sign being lighted at night!!!

Good point. Does anyone have the skinny on why the Hollywood sign is not lit up? I'm assuming it's NIMBYism of the Beachwood Canyon folks, but I'm still assuming -- I don't know for sure. Can anyone answer that in a few sentences?

I don't want to get to OT, but it bears mentioning.

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Good point. Does anyone have the skinny on why the Hollywood sign is not lit up? I'm assuming it's NIMBYism of the Beachwood Canyon folks, but I'm still assuming -- I don't know for sure. Can anyone answer that in a few sentences?

I don't want to get to OT, but it bears mentioning.

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bingo! thats the exact reason why. i remember reading that a few years back.
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The first (and only) time I've ever seen the Hollywood sign lit was during the year 2000 celebrations. And even then it looked like a tacky disco club. What I would prefer is if the Hollywood sign would change color every 15 minutes or so.

It doesn't make sense that it isn't lit at night.
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Haha I had no idea the Hollywood sign was no longer lit at night. Where've I been? I guess if I'm ever leaving Hollywood it's and night and I'm going south so I don't really see the sign at night. I can't believe the kind of NIMBYism this city has succumbed to when its biggest landmark is deflated because of a few spoiled residents. Amazing.
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2006, 5:37 AM
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Not a project, but he created many a long time ago in Hollywood.


Spoony Singh, 83; Established Wax Museum
By Valerie J. Nelson, Times Staff Writer
9:26 PM PDT, October 20, 2006

The group of men whom Spoony Singh raised a glass with in 1964 included the owner of a traveling circus with a collection of wax figures, which may explain why somebody suggested Hollywood as the perfect setting for a wax museum.

The next day, Singh flew from Victoria, Canada, to stroll the streets of Hollywood. Popping into the hot spots, he failed to see a single celebrity but noticed that plenty of the non-famous made do with the footprints of the stars at Grauman's Chinese Theatre.


"So, I thought, let's bring the stars back to Hollywood Boulevard. Let's allow people to get close and look into the eyes of their favorite entertainers. Believe me, I didn't know if it would even work," Singh later recalled.

Within days, he had leased a spot on Hollywood Boulevard near Grauman's, and nine months later he opened the Hollywood Wax Museum, where the business his family runs remains more than 40 years later.

Singh died Wednesday, two days before his 84th birthday, of congestive heart failure at his home in Malibu, said his grandson Tej Sundher.

Johnny Grant, the unofficial mayor of Hollywood, credited Singh's entrepreneurial skills and the professionalism of the waxen likenesses with creating "one of the most popular tourist attraction destinations in Hollywood."

When Singh opened a second attraction, the Hollywood Guinness World Records Museum, in 1991, his marketing skills were on display. The ribbon was cut by a 7-feet-7 1/4 woman, reported to be the world's tallest.

The day the wax museum opened — Feb. 26, 1965 — hundreds lined up to pay the $1.50 admission. The figures of Marilyn Monroe, who would prove to be a perennial favorite, Clark Gable and Jean Harlow were among the big attractions, although Harlow was often damaged by pranksters.

The cheerful Singh took it in stride.

"Look, I know other museums are more stately and artistic," he told The Times in 1970. "But on Hollywood Boulevard, dignity kind of gets lost in the shuffle."

Singh wanted a museum where people screamed instead of tiptoed. One of his favorite stunts was to place breathing actors among the waxen so visitors would be startled by sudden movements. (Fearing lawsuits, the museum ended the practice of "live scares" more than a decade ago.)

"He always claimed young guys would bring their girlfriends just so they could get a guaranteed hug in the horror chamber," said Raubi Sundher, the museum's president and Singh's son.

The nearly 200 figures on display, created in-house, change with the times. For decades, historical characters such as Mohandas K. Gandhi and U.S. presidents shared space with celebrities such as Elton John and Raquel Welch.

By the 1990s, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson and the Beatles had become big favorites. The glass enclosing the Fab Four bore visible proof, because it was often covered with lipstick marks.

Reacting to the celebrity fascination of the times, the museum decided five years ago to focus solely on entertainment figures, said Tej Sundher, the museum's director of marketing.

A side benefit of making a life-size copy of a living celebrity was meeting the original to take pictures and measurements, Singh once said.

"I remember being thrilled that Phil Silvers was even funnier off camera," Singh said in a museum release.

Only the heads and hands of a figure are made of wax; the bodies are fiberglass. The heads of those who fade from the public's interest, such as actor-singer Dean Martin or comedian Flip Wilson, are housed in a floor-to-ceiling storage area.

A favorite story of Singh's involved gossip columnist Hedda Hopper, who once asked, "How do you like America?"

Singh responded, "My family left India because we couldn't get enough to eat. Now, I'm paying a doctor to lose weight."

Spoony Singh Sundher was born Oct. 20, 1922, in the Punjab region of India. At 3, he moved to Victoria with his family.

He used Singh, which means "lion" and is commonly given Sikh boys as a middle name and is a surname for many, to emphasize his roots. The rest of his family uses Sundher.

Always the entrepreneur, Singh owned sawmills and an amusement park in Canada before coming to Los Angeles, where he became "this genie kind of character" who brought attention to the museum, his son said.

Wearing his turban and a Nehru jacket, Singh appeared on television's "What's My Line?" in 1965, but the game-show panel failed to guess his profession.

A decade ago, the family opened a branch of the wax museum in Branson, Mo. To distinguish the outside, a 150-foot-long entertainers' version of Mt. Rushmore was commissioned with the faces of John Wayne, Presley, Monroe and Charlie Chaplin.

The sculpture was Singh's idea.

In addition to his son Raubi and grandson Tej, Singh is survived by his wife of 63 years, Chanchil; five other children, Meva, Janik, Indie, Jehlam and Kabir, who is the wax museum's general manager; and 10 other grandchildren.

The funeral will be held at 10:30 a.m. Tuesday at Forest Lawn-Hollywood Hills, 6300 Forest Lawn Drive.

Instead of flowers, the family requests donations to the American Heart Assn., 7272 Greenville Ave., Dallas, TX, 75231 or Childrens Hospital Los Angeles, Stem Cell Project, 4650 Sunset Blvd., MS No. 62, Los Angeles, CA 90027.
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I'm a bit late for this discussion, but anyways...

I have no problem with this. Sure, it's much lower density than office towers. But that isn't the purpose of this complex anyway. And consider where it will be going...in a more-or-less industrial part of Hollywood, not the dense retail hub of Hollywood Blvd.

I think that for what it is, it will be a lot nicer than a lot of the buildings in that area.
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Bright lights, big critics for wax museum plan
Madame Tussauds wants to make its own mark along Hollywood's Walk of Fame. But some local residents aren't embracing the idea.
By Roger Vincent, Times Staff Writer
October 26, 2006



Can Hollywood be too … Hollywood?

Madame Tussauds, the legendary London wax museum, proposes to build a flashy $55-million branch in Hollywood — its first on the West Coast — on a parking lot next to historic Grauman's Chinese Theatre.

However, the two-century-old entertainment company that invented the "Chamber of Horrors" may not be the most welcome addition to the neighborhood. As millions of investment dollars continue to pour into Hollywood real estate, tensions have surfaced as stakeholders try to balance the big-city glitz that makes Hollywood special with the main-street services that locals like to patronize.

Madame Tussauds, for instance, has been met with trepidation by some nearby landlords and homeowners who were hoping for something a little less touristy. Besides, the Hollywood Wax Museum has been operating barely a block away for decades.

"We welcome a development" replacing the parking lot, said landlord Shaul Kuba of CIM Group. "But if it was a high-end fashion store we might be more excited."

CIM owns several Hollywood properties, including the Hollywood & Highland retail and entertainment center, a failure under its previous owners in part because the original stores appealed primarily to tourists.

Grauman's, which is sandwiched between Hollywood & Highland and the Tussauds site, is one of the region's top attractions. Thousands of annual visitors feel compelled to step into movie stars' footprints frozen in concrete in its courtyard, and many business operators would pay dearly to be its neighbor.

"It's like a force field," said economist Jack Kyser at the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp.

"Los Angeles is a key market we have been looking at for six to seven years, and the epicenter is Hollywood," said Rob Roger, chief financial officer of Tussauds Group, the owner of the museum chain. "We have been trying to identify the right site, and we are delighted to move forward with it."

Roger and other Tussauds executives were in town Wednesday to drum up support for their project and show off recently released drawings of it.

Tussauds Group grosses $2 billion a year serving 40 million customers at its museums, theme parks and other attractions, he said.

In Hollywood, the London-based company envisions a $25-million building in scale with Grauman's, with two levels of underground parking.

Unlike most new buildings, it would cost more to furnish than to build. Tussauds expects to spend an additional $30 million fitting the museum with life-size wax "portraits" of the famous, set in interactive exhibits that will allow visitors to, for example, shoot a basketball with "Shaq" or ride a racing bike next to "Lance."

The museum site is zoned for a large retail development, but builders must still submit an environmental impact report to the city. Tussauds will lease the property from parking lot owner Steve Ullman for an undisclosed price.

If the city approves the project, Tussauds would start work next year and complete the museum by late 2008.

To encourage return visits and generate local interest, Tussauds plans to partner with movie studios and spend about $1 million a year to create temporary exhibits connected to current theatrical releases. Celebrities would show up to unveil their wax images.

"We don't want it to get stale," museum representative Nikki Nolan said.


To address neighborhood concerns that Tussauds might overshadow Grauman's, the height of the museum designed by Los Angeles architect Michael Rotondi was lowered to more closely match the roof line of the theater.

The changes haven't mollified preservationist Robert Nudelman, who says the glassy design "looks like an Irvine medical center" and should be resurfaced to become more compatible with Grauman's and other historic buildings in the area.

Malcolm McNeil, vice president of the Hollywood Heights Assn., a nearby homeowner group, says residents feel burned by previous developments that paid little attention to their interests. They're worried about projects "that look shiny for a few years" and then grow dated and underused, he said.

"I want to see more businesses that are consumer businesses as opposed to tourist businesses," McNeil said.

The challenge for planners is to financially capitalize on international recognition of Hollywood as a brand while keeping the district a livable neighborhood, he said. "It's a balance."

Hollywood's darker recent past is still fresh in the mind of Bob Eicholz, vice president of Efilm, a local business that digitally upgrades the visual quality of films.

"Seven years ago I was afraid to walk down Hollywood Boulevard, and now I walk my dog every night," he said. "It's great that a company like Tussauds has the confidence to invest in the Hollywood market. When I have friends come to visit me, it's one additional fun place they can go."

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