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lakeshoredrive · #**641** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 9:33 PM**

Hope to get some new interesting details about Rivers at 78.

thegoatman · #**642** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 9:46 PM**

The 78 proposal looks by far the best (I'm watching the livestream).

The 78 casino will create a totally new nightlife district. Hope it wins.

galleyfox · #**643** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 9:53 PM**

VKChaz · #**644** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 10:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by thegoatman

The 78 proposal looks by far the best (I'm watching the livestream).

The 78 casino will create a totally new nightlife district. Hope it wins.

Did they go into details on how this nightlife district would work? I was wondering if they were thinking of tucking something underneath the deck. But that wouldn't be much area.

pilsenarch · #**645** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 10:23 PM**

I think the Rivers McCormick is the one to beat for very very many reasons...

I know all you all love the 78 site, but I'm not sure that is going to do that massive mixed use development any favors... how many people/businesses are going to want to commit to a site that has a massive casino but not much else?

rivernorthlurker · #**646** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 10:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by pilsenarch

I think the Rivers McCormick is the one to beat for very very many reasons...

I know all you all love the 78 site, but I'm not sure that is going to do that massive mixed use development any favors... how many people/businesses are going to want to commit to a site that has a massive casino but not much else?

This is a huge question I have as well. Who in their right mind would want to rent/buy an apartment/condo right off of Roosevelt and across the street from an entrance to that casino.

Additionally it basically privatizes a huge section of the Riverwalk though it depends on exactly how they integrate it I suppose.

southoftheloop · #**647** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 11:00 PM**

The casino will basically cannibalize the site, with perhaps the exception of buildings for institutional use like the proposed Discovery institute or whatever it's called. Nobody wants to live within a 4 block radius of a casino

VKChaz · #**648** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 11:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker

This is a huge question I have as well. Who in their right mind would want to rent/buy an apartment/condo right off of Roosevelt and across the street from an entrance to that casino.

Additionally it basically privatizes a huge section of the Riverwalk though it depends on exactly how they integrate it I suppose.

I have mixed feelings about its effect on the site. But the walk is already private. A casino might be a positive if you want an active walk. It is an incentive to have something designed as a destination rather than something akin to a dog walk to serve immediate residents.

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Originally Posted by pilsenarch

I think the Rivers McCormick is the one to beat for very very many reasons...

I know all you all love the 78 site, but I'm not sure that is going to do that massive mixed use development any favors... how many people/businesses are going to want to commit to a site that has a massive casino but not much else?

I wouldn't overlook the significance for MPEA. And McCormick could make for an interesting destination. People in the area already have a preconceived view of the building and may have visited it for something like the auto show. I don't know what Rivers would have in mind, but I could see people saying 'hey, let's go to that McCormick on the lake for Sunday brunch' which BTW includes a casino. Whereas others would be viewed as casinos, this might be viewed as something a little different. Though access is odd, it offers interesting possibilities.

Kngkyle · #**649** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 11:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by southoftheloop

The casino will basically cannibalize the site, with perhaps the exception of buildings for institutional use like the proposed Discovery institute or whatever it's called. Nobody wants to live within a 4 block radius of a casino

This is not what young people think of casinos based on my experience. I'll grant you that this is what older generations think but they generally aren't the ones going to live in this area casino or not. I could see it hurting office prospects more so than residential which is perhaps why there isn't mention of traditional office space in their new site plan.

CaptainJilliams · #**650** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 11:14 PM**

Casino bidders pitch the public with new details

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/government/chicago-casino-bidders-give-new-details-their-plans

For those who have access to Crain's, really great summary on each team's proposal, complete with the PDF summaries from each team.

I had a chance to listen to some of the proposals, and for me it's between McCormick and the 78. The McCormick proposal felt to the point in emphasizing they'd be the first proposal up and running with the least amount of construction time, meaning more revenue sooner. But the 78 group did a great job with their visuals in showcasing the different elements of the casino including the architecture. Despite the potential issues, I am still leaning towards the 78, McCormick being repurposed by the lake would be a nice alternative if the 78 doesn't win out.

The One Central proposal tried to emphasize the scale of their overall development in relation to the casino, still pushing that transit center idea hard. The 78 obviously did something similar, but it felt like they emphasized the elements of the casino more with the surrounding neighborhood being a bonus on top of it whereas with One Central it felt like the opposite.

BVictor1 · #**651** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 11:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by CaptainJilliams

Casino bidders pitch the public with new details

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/government/chicago-casino-bidders-give-new-details-their-plans

For those who have access to Crain's, really great summary on each team's proposal, complete with the PDF summaries from each team.

I was there for the first 3 proposals, but had to leave for Bally's.

At the table where I sat, the people mentioned how engaging the Rivers78 proposal was.

CaptainJilliams · #**652** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 11:24 PM**

^ Definitely got that impression watching their pitch as well.

rivernorthlurker · #**653** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 11:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by VKChaz

I wouldn't overlook the significance for MPEA. And McCormick could make for an interesting destination. People in the area already have a preconceived view of the building and may have visited it for something like the auto show. I don't know what Rivers would have in mind, but I could see people saying 'hey, let's go to that McCormick on the lake for Sunday brunch' which BTW includes a casino. Whereas others would be viewed as casinos, this might be viewed as something a little different. Though access is odd, it offers interesting possibilities.

Yes something like a whole destination would be nice, with shopping and restaurants both indoor an outdoor so you could spend an afternoon there but I have no idea if that is realistic. I can't think of many places in the city like this - maybe a little like NewCity off of Halsted but of course something much bigger and better like Venetian in Vegas or something.

Whatever happens (seems like 78 or Mccormick) it will be a win. Both proposals are better than I had been expecting. I'm sure Related can make the 78 work - that's why they make the big bucks.

PS - I remembered Related did 30 Hudson Yards which has a lot of shopping as well in the bottom floors. Not sure if there plans include that. But if the 78 turns out anything like that quality of the shopping space below, I'm 100% for them to bring it to the 78.

thegoatman · #**654** Posted **Dec 16, 2021, 11:40 PM**

If the river 78 proposal won I'd be ecstatic. A world class casino in city limits + a new supertall/observation tower + a new riverwalk that extends it from Lake st + the activation it has with the river and neighborhood = perfect proposal.

CrazyCres · #**655** Posted **Dec 17, 2021, 12:02 AM**

https://www.78chicago.com/entertainment-district

Updated Website

Briguy · #**656** Posted **Dec 17, 2021, 12:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by CrazyCres

https://www.78chicago.com/entertainment-district

Updated Website

I do like how this casino has pushed the rest of the development into a much higher density. It was a bit "tower in a park" before. Feels much denser now.

rivernorthlurker · #**657** Posted **Dec 17, 2021, 12:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by CrazyCres

https://www.78chicago.com/entertainment-district

Updated Website

Thx.

If there was ever a more recent example of a huge fork in the road for the future of Chicago where the phrase "Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood" applies, then I don't know what it is.

I think the survey on this page makes that clear as probably did the meeting.

lakeshoredrive · #**658** Posted **Dec 17, 2021, 12:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by thegoatman

If the river 78 proposal won I'd be ecstatic. A world class casino in city limits + a new supertall/observation tower + a new riverwalk that extends it from Lake st + the activation it has with the river and neighborhood = perfect proposal.

Agreed! I feel like this is an once in a lifetime opportunity to do something transformative and defining in Chicago. And this will yield the most economic opportunities available. The ripple effect will be undeniable as it extends beyond the 78.

CaptainJilliams · #**659** Posted **Dec 17, 2021, 12:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by CrazyCres

https://www.78chicago.com/entertainment-district

Updated Website

Love, love the animation of the casino and the entire site.

lakeshoredrive · #**660** Posted **Dec 17, 2021, 12:34 AM**

I just realized the design for the observation tower is inspired by the St. Charles Air Line Bridge! Wow, what a great way to draw inspiration from that for the tower's design. I also noticed that they keep saying more than 1000 feet tall for the height of the obs tower. I am guessing they haven't finalized on the height since the site hasn't been picked yet. I think it should be at least 1500 feet tall just to make this observation tower worth it and standing tall over its nearby neighbors (NEMA, 1000, and probably NEMA 2).