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Old Posted Feb 18, 2021, 1:45 AM
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Essentially the whole system is broken, as has been noted several times the two other legs of prevention and enforcement of the three legged approach have been completely abandoned.

The homeless issue is testimony that the left is just as capable as the right in its ability to continuously refuse to admit failure of its programs and ideals, even if the intentions are good.
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This is stupid. "Armed shoplifting"...you mean robbery?
Those are different charges I think. It looks as if the VPD have been actively trying to tackle the problem. "Hundreds of charges recommended after Vancouver police target 'violent shoplifters" It seems as if the shoplifting was mostly Downtown, not in the DTES.
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2021, 2:11 AM
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Armed Robbery is a felony charge isn't it?

Armed shoplifting is a slap on the wrist and a see you next time you did it bud as we can't do anything to stop ya.
Store owners should be allowed permitted firearms to defend themselves as they see fit. It’s clear the justice system isn’t going to do it.
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Store owners should be allowed permitted firearms to defend themselves as they see fit.....
This is foolish beyond belief and that's being polite..
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2021, 4:25 AM
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Vancouver has become a shithole, plain and simple. Yet apartments in Strathcona and Chinatown still rent for thousands of dollars a month. Who on earth would like to live there when it's basically a no-go zone especially after dark?

It is unfortunate that the shit is also overflowing across Boundary and into Burnaby. Just last week I saw a daytime robbery at Metropolis mall, two shitheads running with a shopping cart full of stolen merchandise. Junkies have become more visible also in Metrotown and our building has been broken into several times this year. My bike was stolen in September only to be found in... Stratchona Park.

Zero sympathy left here.
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Move to Japan, your sympathy really becomes tested when you see how people behave here.

First of all families actually take care of their own instead of kicking them out onto the street, and those that do live on the street still respect public and private property (in general) and due to this respect they have better facilities. Public washrooms are everywhere because they are not destroyed, you can sleep overnight in any public park, but tenters are always packed up and out by morning, one does not need to worry about needles being left everywhere, and many restaurants in larger urban areas actually have special windows where at the end of the night they leave excess food for the homeless (I couldn’t imagine what would happen in Vancouver of restaurants did that, the homeless would probably camp out around and crowd the outside of such a restaurant and I’m sure property damage and theft would eventually follow.)

It seems to me that the homeless who are sleeping in the tent cities in Vancouver are a mix of those who are mentally incapable of taking care of themselves and need to be hospitalized and cared for, and for them we need to take better care, and those who are simply just losers. Criminal junkie assholes who live on the streets because they don’t want to even abide by the simplest rules of social housing or other shelter facilities.

What we need to do is find a racist, sexist or homophobic comment that each one of those in the parks have said in their lives, such as refusing to list their pronouns, publish them and then hopefully they lose their support from the far woke left.
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Move to Japan, your sympathy really becomes tested when you see how people behave here.....

Yes, when I spent a year there, I became aware of this. The enlightened and refined elements of Japanese social etiquette run broad and deep, and
present a rich body of knowledge and know-how.
I remember thinking that if the entire concept, detailed and explained, of Japanese 'savoir-vivre' were taught and learned in Vancouver and elsewhere, it could a catalyst for social change.
For anybody studying any form of architecture, engineering, but primarily city planning, and even social work, making the study of this a core part of any first-year curriculum might sound radical, but would surely guarantee a solid handle on Japanese social engineering and methodoly easily transferred into the Canadian context.


It seems to me that the homeless who are sleeping in the tent cities in Vancouver are a mix of *those who are mentally incapable of taking care of themselves and need to be hospitalized and cared for,* and for them we need to take better care,

Agreed, and/but would this not necessitate a larger sector of the economy dedicated to such? And if yes, and if all good, how will the working public react to the inevitable tax increases?


and those who are simply just losers......
Criminal junkie assholes who live on the streets because they don’t want to even abide by the simplest rules of social housing or other shelter facilities.

... to finish your sentence, how should they be dealt with? Specifically


'Part 3'
What we need to do is find a racist, sexist or homophobic comment that each one of those in the parks have said in their lives, such as refusing to list their pronouns, publish them and then hopefully they lose their support from the far woke left.
I'm totally with you on the Japanese values, but sorry, I don't get this, last statement quite. Could I ask you to reiterate part 3?
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This is foolish beyond belief and that's being polite..
Why? It would get the crooks off the street. Literally.
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Why? It would get the crooks off the street. Literally.
1: Canadian gun regulation (this is more a point than a complaint) forbids stores to keep a gun armed and loaded under the counter. This isn't the United States.

2: Baseball bats do an equally good job, however a problem arises when you have someone rob you with a knife, your co-worker bonks him silly with a baseball bad and now you're out an employee because in the law it's assault, regardless of him robbing your store.

3: VPD asks that stores do nothing beyond report the thefts, which normally ends up as statistics or at best, catch and release convictions. You as the store owner are left hoping insurance pays out because whatever merch you get back will likely not be sellable.
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1: Canadian gun regulation (this is more a point than a complaint) forbids stores to keep a gun armed and loaded under the counter. This isn't the United States.

2: Baseball bats do an equally good job, however a problem arises when you have someone rob you with a knife, your co-worker bonks him silly with a baseball bad and now you're out an employee because in the law it's assault, regardless of him robbing your store.

3: VPD asks that stores do nothing beyond report the thefts, which normally ends up as statistics or at best, catch and release convictions. You as the store owner are left hoping insurance pays out because whatever merch you get back will likely not be sellable.
Perhaps the Americans got something right then about gun control .

These laws makes any hardworking Canadian defenseless and enables the violence we see committed against them.
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Vancouver has become a shithole, plain and simple. Yet apartments in Strathcona and Chinatown still rent for thousands of dollars a month. Who on earth would like to live there when it's basically a no-go zone especially after dark?

It is unfortunate that the shit is also overflowing across Boundary and into Burnaby. Just last week I saw a daytime robbery at Metropolis mall, two shitheads running with a shopping cart full of stolen merchandise. Junkies have become more visible also in Metrotown and our building has been broken into several times this year. My bike was stolen in September only to be found in... Stratchona Park.

Zero sympathy left here.
I hate to break it to you Klaus, but up until this year when the camp moved in to Strathcona Park, the crime rate here wasn't that much worse than Burnaby where I grew up. It's a bit crazy now, but that will likely change sooner than later.

When I lived in South Burnaby, we got robbed a couple times in 20 years, and my stepdad had his whole work trailer stolen (he was a landscaper). I also had a few bikes get pinched, and other fun things.
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I hate to break it to you Klaus, but up until this year when the camp moved in to Strathcona Park, the crime rate here wasn't that much worse than Burnaby where I grew up. It's a bit crazy now, but that will likely change sooner than later.

When I lived in South Burnaby, we got robbed a couple times in 20 years, and my stepdad had his whole work trailer stolen (he was a landscaper). I also had a few bikes get pinched, and other fun things.
South Burnaby has always been a bit bad for petty/property crime. Sometimes nothing changes.
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Just look at that image, it sums up the issue perfectly.

I agree being homeless is not a crime, I actually agree with letting homeless people sleep in parks and even pitching a tent up overnight.

I don’t agree with these becoming permanent tent communities that openly declare they allow and harbor criminal activities and trades, strewn garbage and waste all over the place and act hostile to others in the local community.

I am sorry, being homeless does not equate to being above laws and regulations normal people must follow.
Unfortunately, when people get used to it, the problems become the new normal. Hence we should not even let people sleep in parks (or any other public spaces) in the first place. Shelters are set up for a specific purpose: to temporarily house people.
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Those are different charges I think. It looks as if the VPD have been actively trying to tackle the problem. "Hundreds of charges recommended after Vancouver police target 'violent shoplifters" It seems as if the shoplifting was mostly Downtown, not in the DTES.
Then they shouldn't release ANY violent suspect pending court cases. When arrested, they are normally arrested for processing, then released the next day (or even same day). That is utter stupidity.

By the way, there is hardly anything to rob in the DTES. Downtown is just right next door, or where criminals occasionally "camp over".
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Unfortunately, when people get used to it, the problems become the new normal. Hence we should not even let people sleep in parks (or any other public spaces) in the first place. Shelters are set up for a specific purpose: to temporarily house people.
Do you think there is enough space in shelters to house everybody currently sleeping on the street or in parks?
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So here's a thought. You've got an entirely functionally- and economically-obsolete enclosed mall in Chinatown. How about turning that into a low-income housing project? Whoever holds title to that mall would probably love to offload it.
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There are plans for International village, and low income housing isn't it. Why does anyone think more low income housing in the area will fix things? How long do we keep trying the same thing and expect different results? Get the criminals off the streets in prisons, gets those mentally unable to care for themselves into facilities, create more detox and rehab centres for those that are seeking help, and then the working poor and those down on their luck will have a fighting chance. Right now if you are trying to turn your life around down there you literally have a minimal chance of success with drug dealers hounding you and everyone shooting up around you, eventually you break down and cave back into that life.
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There are plans for International village, and low income housing isn't it. Why does anyone think more low income housing in the area will fix things? How long do we keep trying the same thing and expect different results? Get the criminals off the streets in prisons, gets those mentally unable to care for themselves into facilities, create more detox and rehab centres for those that are seeking help, and then the working poor and those down on their luck will have a fighting chance. Right now if you are trying to turn your life around down there you literally have a minimal chance of success with drug dealers hounding you and everyone shooting up around you, eventually you break down and cave back into that life.
I'd like to see:

1) A place for everyone who wants one.
2) Safe supply drugs.

Take the homeless excuse out, and #2 should alleviate fentanyl ODs and the drug dealers out of the equation.

Might as well try it and see what happens.
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I'd like to see:

1) A place for everyone who wants one.
2) Safe supply drugs.

Take the homeless excuse out, and #2 should alleviate fentanyl ODs and the drug dealers out of the equation.

Might as well try it and see what happens.
Social programs don’t seem to be working. It’s just inviting more dysfunctional people here. We need institutions, and decentralization, as mentioned above.
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How many thousand social housing units have been built in the past few years and it's still not enough, even as some 1,750 die from overdose every year. Vancouver is trying to house and take care of every junkie in Canada. How about we don't do that.

San Francisco has been doing the same for years and has now tens of thousands homeless junkies living in the city. It's like induced demand and highways, you just can't build your way out of this.
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