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Old Posted Mar 5, 2023, 8:21 PM
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How about the downtown Y?
Brilliant! Between the library and the Y, they could replace all of the shelters and move this scene to the CBD and liberate the market!
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Library was already sold to the company that owns the tower, so that won't happen. The Y though could play a big role in "housing first" and provide a shelter with services.
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ByWard Market buskers upset with new booking fee
Some performers will have to pay $50 for 2 hours of space in specific areas

Benjamin Lopez Steven · CBC News
Posted: Mar 11, 2023 4:00 AM EST | Last Updated: 2 hours ago




Some ByWard Market buskers are frustrated about a new booking fee required to perform in select areas this summer, the latest disagreement between street performers and officials who manage Ottawa's popular tourist area.

In a statement to CBC News, Ottawa Markets — the authority that controls the ByWard and Parkdale markets — said they will add a new $50 performance space booking fee in areas where acts like jugglers and large musical groups can perform.

Each payment gives these performers two hours of reserved space at either the William Street Plaza or George Street Plaza, said Zachary Dayler, executive director for Ottawa Markets.

Dayler said the new charge is to help cover maintenance costs, including cleaning up the performance areas after shows, while there will be no permit fees for other buskers in 2023.

Ottawa Markets hopes fee changes will attract new performers from other areas "who might see the opportunity in booking a marquee location and having security in that time," he said.

Affected performers say the incoming booking system and fee makes busking in the market unattractive. Some even doubt whether they'll perform at all if the policy remains in place.

Joey Albert, who has performed as a juggler and acrobat called Rockabilly Joe for 17 years, says the new fee is a "huge markup." His performance usually lasts between 30 to 45 minutes.

"You went from charging us $100 for the year to $50 every two performances. ... We'll be spending thousands and thousands on this," he said.

No matter how successful or well-known buskers are, there's still no guarantee they can consistently draw crowds large enough to eat the new fee without problems, Albert added. Despite his experience, he said there are still times where he can't get a crowd.

"The streets keep you humble," Albert said.

Other performers like Yoshi Chladny, a juggler and performer for the past 10 years, say adding a booking system undermines how street performers typically manage themselves.

According to Chladny and Albert, street performers do random draws in the morning to determine who gets priority in picking their time slot for the day. But they say a booking system, which could allow performers to pick the best times ahead of the day, might lead to tensions between artists.

When it comes to maintaining the spaces, Chladny said he understands there are costs to keeping the areas clean, but those funds "shouldn't be from the performers."

He said there could be a conversation between buskers and Ottawa Markets over how both groups can keep the spaces in a good state.

Circle show performers — who busk while the audience forms a circle around them — have sparred with city officials and ByWard Market authorities for more than a decade. In 2011, street performers said they were ready to ditch the city after a bylaw was passed that balanced performance spaces with the ability of market merchants to attract customers.

In 2018, circle show performers claimed Ottawa Markets was displacing their weekend shows so Casino du Lac-Leamy could operate a shuttle service. That same year, buskers were told they needed to buy general liability insurance, which became another point of contention.

Chladny said buskers were never consulted about this latest booking fee — which he calls "absolutely prohibitive" — and he thinks officials are trying to deter circle shows from happening altogether.

Albert said city authorities don't consult buskers and "don't take us seriously ... don't consider us professionals."

"I don't want to create this drama with them," Albert said. "I want them to talk to us and I want them to respect us."

Dayler said the fee would be reconsidered if found to be prohibitive to performers.

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Busker fees never sat well with me, but this is worse. I much prefer urban areas where these performances are natural. I get if it's a dedicated space where the artist can plug into the City's utilities, but hope the homeless playing guitar, for example, aren't required to pay. That's always been unclear.

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In 2018, circle show performers claimed Ottawa Markets was displacing their weekend shows so Casino du Lac-Leamy could operate a shuttle service. That same year, buskers were told they needed to buy general liability insurance, which became another point of contention.
Again, all buskers or those with particularly dangerous acts?

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I have a problem with a casino offering a shuttle service in an area inhabited by venerable population. Or any shuttle service for that matter.
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Who will fill the void as the lights turn out at the ByWard Market's golden arches?
For better or worse, that particular McDonald’s became an institution in Ottawa.

Bruce Deachman, Ottawa Citizen
Published Mar 15, 2023 • Last updated 3 hours ago • 3 minute read




Sylvio Belanger and Rheal Charbonneau share a patch of sidewalk outside a Rideau Centre entrance on a cold Tuesday morning as a mixture of snow and freezing rain falls about them.

Belanger, 39, leans against the ledge of Simon’s clothing store window, while Charbonneau, 60, sits on the slate sidewalk. The two live in shelters in the area, Charbonneau for the last six months, Belanger for three. Each holds an empty Tims coffee cup in his hands, hoping to cadge spare change from passersby.

We’re discussing the iconic McDonald’s restaurant at 99 Rideau St., which announced earlier this year that, after nearly 40 years, it would not renew its lease when it expires at the end of June.

There aren’t many places like it in the area, says Charbonneau, and its absence will be felt, particularly among Ottawa’s street-involved population.

“I like the food,” he admits, “and I like to talk to people; I like to get together with people. I’d go have a coffee and socialize, and use the bathroom.

“I mean I can’t go in the middle of the street.”

Belanger only goes to the McDonald’s when he has money. “You don’t want to go there and sit and do nothing, although I did go sometimes just to use the bathroom.”

For better or worse, that particular McDonald’s became an institution in Ottawa. Open 24 hours a day for much of its life, it was a popular post-bar hangout for ByWard Market revellers not yet ready to go home, and a gathering spot, out of the elements, for those with no home to go to.

And, yes, lest we wax too romantic, remember that it was also often a dump, with that long narrow hallway entrance from George Street as uninviting as any, and police often called to deal with incidents there. An infamous YouTube video posted in December 2014 shows a brawl in the fast food joint that includes, at the 37-second mark, a man taking a baby raccoon out of his jacket.

It was that sort of place.

But it was a business that, at least until the pandemic saw it pivot to takeout only—with no access to public washrooms—served a greater, if unintentional, purpose beyond slinging Big Macs and keeping police busy.

It was that rare commercial spot that at least indulged those among its customers in unfortunate situations and with particular needs: the Sylvio Belangers and Rheal Charbonneaus of Ottawa, who sometimes just need to sit down on something other than cold pavement. True, there’s a Tim Hortons right next door, as well as nearby drop-ins, such as Centre 454 and the housing development being built by the Shepherds of Good Hope, but these aren’t meeting the demand.

The pandemic has dealt a crushing blow not just to people experiencing homelessness, poverty, drug use and mental health issues, but at the same time severely curtailed access to services to help them. Spaces where people could safely congregate, have their basic needs met and be accepted were closed, forcing many to live too many aspects of their lives in public.

According to Wendy Muckle, who co-founded Ottawa Inner City Health more than 20 years ago and recently stepped down as its CEO, places like the Rideau Street McDonald’s have helped contribute to lessening the social disorder in the ByWard Market.

“But many clients have told me that places that used to tolerate their presence, when COVID and all its restrictions came, they weren’t allowed in those places. And since they’ve opened up and the restrictions have been lifted, they’re still not allowed in those places. So now there are a lot fewer places for them to be, and they’re forced onto the sidewalks.”

The pandemic, in other words, dramatically affected the delicate balance that the ByWard Market had always struggled to maintain, between merchants and business owners, residents, tourists and others, including the street-involved.

Anne Marie Hopkins, Inner City Health’s Peer Outreach Services supervisor, says that social disorder and chaos have been increasing in the Market, but that the narrative, where the homeless are blamed for the things that ail them, needs to change before anything will improve. “In reality, we as a society are not taking care of these people who are homeless, we are not giving them places to go.”

She’s right. After all, it’s not up to McDonald’s or Tim Hortons to take care of people in need. That task falls to us.

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Old Posted Mar 15, 2023, 1:42 PM
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Seems it would be a fitting location for Sutcliffe's ByWard Police Station.
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Seems it would be a fitting location for Sutcliffe's ByWard Police Station.
I think further east would be better. 179 George or 160 George for example or the old Home Hardware.
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What happened to the Byward Market improvement plan? The one where they were looking at removing parking, more pedestrian-only streets, activation, new market hall?

Seems like everything in this city takes 5 years of discussions, surveys and studies, plus 2-3 years of negotiation and then 2-3 years of construction. Nobody lives long enough to every see the improvements or changes.
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What happened to the Byward Market improvement plan? The one where they were looking at removing parking, more pedestrian-only streets, activation, new market hall?

Seems like everything in this city takes 5 years of discussions, surveys and studies, plus 2-3 years of negotiation and then 2-3 years of construction. Nobody lives long enough to every see the improvements or changes.
Maybe the Pandemic excuse? Honestly the improvements were so minor I almost think a total collapse and a true pedestrianization is preferable.
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What happened to the Byward Market improvement plan? The one where they were looking at removing parking, more pedestrian-only streets, activation, new market hall?

Seems like everything in this city takes 5 years of discussions, surveys and studies, plus 2-3 years of negotiation and then 2-3 years of construction. Nobody lives long enough to every see the improvements or changes.
Plan is to get it mostly done by 2027, the Market's 200th anniversary. Not getting my hopes up based on the slow progress.

They launched this a year ago. No idea where that went;

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City of Ottawa launches redevelopment process for prime ByWard Market location

March 22, 2022
Today, the City of Ottawa posted a Request for Expressions of Interest (REOI) for the redevelopment of its property at 70 Clarence Street in the ByWard Market. The property currently houses six street-level retail stores and four levels of parking. The goal of the REOI is to generate inspiring redevelopment concepts, assess the timing of the initiative, and gauge the interest of potential partners in the project.

The ByWard Market is a major destination in Ottawa and a lively area containing one of the oldest public markets in Canada, a mix of land uses, nightlife, outdoor vendors, courtyards and quaint streetscapes, surrounded by a residential neighbourhood. This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to re-envision and redevelop 70 Clarence Street into a destination to help reinforce the unique heritage character of the ByWard Market, potentially ignite a new phase of revitalization, and strengthen economic recovery efforts.

The 70 Clarence Street project is an initiative under the ByWard Market Public Realm Plan, which guides the evolution of the Market’s public spaces and provides a framework to coordinate investment opportunities. Ottawa City Council unanimously approved the plan in January 2021.

Following the conclusion of the REOI process, City staff will present the findings to City Council and provide recommendations on next steps in the process. As this is the start of the project, there is no firm date for completion. Ideally, the City would like the redevelopment to be substantially completed for the ByWard Market’s 200th anniversary in 2027.

The REOI is now available through MERX(link is external) until May 10, 2022.

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“The redevelopment of this central ByWard Market building is another opportunity to add a world-class destination in this great neighbourhood and make Ottawa an even greater city to visit and to live in.”

Mayor Jim Watson

“The ByWard Market is the heart of Ottawa. It reflects our history and displays the best in local pride. Besides, the Market is our most important tourism hotspot when people visit our Capital City. Being the Canadian capital, it has a unique opportunity with the destination building in the central part of the ByWard Market. We must showcase its historic character and beauty and animate it to ensure it is a draw for locals and tourists alike.”

City Councillor Mathieu Fleury, Rideau-Vanier

“Ottawa Tourism promotes the ByWard Market district as a must-see destination when visiting Ottawa and this redevelopment will make it an even stronger draw for visitors. We encourage proponents to think creatively about such a site and how it might offer versatile uses for the community, as well as leisure and business travellers, throughout the year. The opportunity presented here is an extremely rare chance to make a significant differentiating mark for Ottawa, to become an icon of our destination, and to take a place among Ottawa’s unique and defining destination attributes.”

Michael Crockatt, President and CEO, Ottawa Tourism

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Plan is to get it mostly done by 2027, the Market's 200th anniversary. Not getting my hopes up based on the slow progress.
The will probably put up special, commemorative hoarding for the anniversary to hide the construction.
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As someone who lives in the area, I can confidently say next to no improvements have been made to pedestrianize the area beyond the minor walking street that has since opened up on east end of Clarence. Drivers have also become more reckless and less mindful of pedestrians, just going about their day. At this stage, it would just make more sense if they just put a set of bollards between Sussex and Dalhousie and completely pedestrianize Clarence, York and George st. No need to completely rejig the thing; just limit access to certain modes of transport.
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As someone who lives in the area, I can confidently say next to no improvements have been made to pedestrianize the area beyond the minor walking street that has since opened up on east end of Clarence. Drivers have also become more reckless and less mindful of pedestrians, just going about their day. At this stage, it would just make more sense if they just put a set of bollards between Sussex and Dalhousie and completely pedestrianize Clarence, York and George st. No need to completely rejig the thing; just limit access to certain modes of transport.
That would certainly be my preference as well. It's not going to happen though.

If we just cut off George and York at William so cars couldn't pass through but could still park that would make a big difference.
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The will probably put up special, commemorative hoarding for the anniversary to hide the construction.
And rent it for the year. For the low low price of x10 the cost of just buying it.
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That Marriott surface parking lot is BEGGING for redevelopment
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That Marriott surface parking lot is BEGGING for redevelopment
The Marriott is BEGGING for redevelopment. With two new ones set to open in the Market, and another in the CBD (all Rimap), hopefully Marriott will shutter this one.
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It's crazy how big that lot is with the parking. It would be nice if they could demolish and start a few towers on that lot that exceed 30+
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I wonder what's the best we could hope for that site? With it being pretty central in the Byward Market I have a feeling height would not be allowed.

I'm thinking the best case scenario would be a 10-15 story building with step-downs (so its not just 1 giant footprint) and a retail podium at street-level and residential on top.

Maybe something like this;
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I'd like to see them bring back the facade of the old french-canadian movie theatre that use to be where the parking lot is and do something like they did with the facade of Simons at the Rideau Centre

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I wonder what's the best we could hope for that site? With it being pretty central in the Byward Market I have a feeling height would not be allowed.

I'm thinking the best case scenario would be a 10-15 story building with step-downs (so its not just 1 giant footprint) and a retail podium at street-level and residential on top.
I don't think any additional height would be allowed on that side of Dalhousie and thus the site won't be developed anytime soon. The hotel still spits out money as a decaying but well located hotel that will stay a bit cheaper than it's larger competitors and a renovation at that height would only increase rates and occupancy marginally. I guess the parking lot next door will continue to wait for a total relaxation of the height requirements as well before developing.
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