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Actually it is and it is not. It is a retirement community that offers continuing home care. Either way $80M is $80M and that is major especially in an inner city neighborhood and especially when it is eliminating a vacant housing project.

The architecture however of this project is an abomination.
Why not build a real, mixed use Hope VI community in its place?
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How Ironic! I went to the City Discussions thread to post something, and the first thing I saw was RETIRMENT HOMES GO HIGH-RISE AND URBAN.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=128458

As usual, STEEL is "On It"! Willis McGahee, maybe you should concentrate on toating that rock for B~more.

Hey, Rumors are heating up about the Bills getting Michael Turner! What~cha~think?
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Old Posted Apr 1, 2007, 5:52 AM
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Okay, sorry. Yay nursing home!
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So Is it good for The City or not?




Bass Pro plan puts history in back seat

Donn Esmonde-Buffalo News

Updated: 04/01/07 6:48 AM



I walked past the under-construction Erie Canal Harbor historic site Friday morning, to imagine what ought to be.

Bass Pro may be coming. A less-thanconcrete “predevelopment” agreement was struck Thursday. It would plop on the historic site a Wegmans-sized sporting goods store and an adjacent multilevel parking garage. Add a concrete “green space” plaza, and it all but swallows the 12-acre swatch that celebrates the definitive site on the Erie Canal. It is our page in America’s story, and Bass Pro would shred it.

If Bass Pro comes to Central Wharf, we lose our planned waterfront green space. Gone would be cobblestone streets and planned 19th century-style buildings to complement history and to bring commerce. Gone would be the sense of historic place the site demands.

It is a good thing the historic Commercial Slip is already dug, building ruins unearthed and the bowstring bridge built. Otherwise they would likely be sacrificed for a blue historical marker, reading: “Here, in 1825, Gov. DeWitt Clinton drew

a bucket of water and launched the canal that built Buffalo and changed America.”

I was nervous about Bass Pro since it was first mentioned for the old Aud. I knew our politicians and some business “leaders” were desperate for anything to happen. I knew that without a second thought they would sacrifice to Bass Pro the historic site that so many people — after a huge battle — persuaded the state to unearth and celebrate.

My fears were justified. After Bass Pro’s Aud plan fell through, CEO Johnny Morris eyed the public space on the historic Central Wharf. He should have been told no, that a historic plan — forged by years of lawsuits, public protests and, finally, common sense — was in place. Instead, Larry Quinn — the driving force of the recently created waterfront development corporation — said, “Whatever you want, Johnny.”

It is sad when a community cares so little about its own story that it would needlessly sacrifice it. If Bass Pro comes to Central Wharf, our piece of national history — an attraction in its own right — will become a mere accessory to a sporting goods store. We already have a historic plan for the site, approved by the city, county and state in documents stacked two inches high. Messing with it merely invites a lawsuit.

It doesn’t have to be that way. The historic site is a small slice of the downtown waterfront. There are a half-dozen other places nearby — including the soon-to-be demolished Aud — where Bass Pro (or a substitute) can go.

This plan gives us the worst of both worlds: a Bass Pro big enough to overwhelm and diminish our history, yet too small — at half the size of the Aud plan — to attract crowds from distant parts.

We can have it both ways — a fullblown history site and a nearby full-sized Bass Pro or some replacement. Instead, this plan would give us a half loaf of Bass Pro and a half slice of history. That isn’t progress, it’s desperation.

Along with Bass Pro would come “Canal Side,” courtesy of strip-mall king Benderson Development. We will get on streets near the Aud the Starbucks and other chains found in most malls.

I am as frustrated as anybody about so little getting done around here. But we also have a history of screwing up, from the University at Buffalo in Amherst to an instantly obsolete Convention Center. We ought to finish the history site, with the step-by-step development that would follow. Instead, Quinn & Co. opt for “instant neighborhood”: Commandeer a historic site and add spoonfuls of Bass Pro and Benderson and stir.

The get-it-done-yesterday mentality feeds a shortsightedness that time and again has hurt us in the long run. In terms of what will endure, let’s not get it Bass-ackwards.

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If Bass Pro comes to Central Wharf, we lose our planned waterfront green space. Gone would be cobblestone streets and planned 19th century-style buildings to complement history and to bring commerce. Gone would be the sense of historic place the site demands.

It is a good thing the historic Commercial Slip is already dug, building ruins unearthed and the bowstring bridge built. Otherwise they would likely be sacrificed for a blue historical marker, reading: “Here, in 1825, Gov. DeWitt Clinton drew

a bucket of water and launched the canal that built Buffalo and changed America.”
I don't think there was ever a "Real" plan to do all that anyway. If this site were not being marketed as "shovel Ready", Bass Pro would not have been able to get it so easily. That's my take on it .
Anyway, reguardless of Donny's Editorial tantrom, the Project has much potential. Let's build it, and see if they come.
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Hey, it's going to be a piece of "temporary" strip mall suburbia in the city either way you cut it. If it's successful, great! If not, then it won't be too hard to tear it down and try it again - even if it is successful, and it breeds more success - leading to replacement.

I usually agree with Donny (he won me when he grilled Dale Volker at the toll closing "ceremony"), and I see his point. I just don't think it's that bad.

Re: Nursing/Retirement Homes: This country is aging rather quickly, aren't more needed? They might as well be highrise as opposed to these sprawling 2-3 story and occasionally detached unit things that seem to be so popular.
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Hey, it's going to be a piece of "temporary" strip mall suburbia in the city either way you cut it. If it's successful, great! If not, then it won't be too hard to tear it down and try it again - even if it is successful, and it breeds more success - leading to replacement.

I usually agree with Donny (he won me when he grilled Dale Volker at the toll closing "ceremony"), and I see his point. I just don't think it's that bad.

Re: Nursing/Retirement Homes: This country is aging rather quickly, aren't more needed? They might as well be highrise as opposed to these sprawling 2-3 story and occasionally detached unit things that seem to be so popular.
I believe they told Cordison the same "suburban strip mall thing when they began the Inner Harbor in B-More. I can't hate on the retirement issue, i'm 5 to ten years away myself. One thought though, If they don't go highrise, who's going to want to push our wheel~chairs across a sprawling campus? It will be a hell of a thing trying to use a Walker. Energy prices will be to high on fixed income to "Hover~Round". Dam that, build high.
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...and the condo tower on the water front.
What condo tower on the waterfront? I must have missed something...
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Paladino broke ground on the first four units at Waterfront Place:

http://buffalorising.com/story/hot_p...ont_villag#sca
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anything on The Gates Circle Condo Tower or Dulski Renovation yet? It's been about a year hasen't it? I'm no expert, but, There should have been a rendering by now, am I right?
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anything on The Gates Circle Condo Tower or Dulski Renovation yet? It's been about a year hasen't it? I'm no expert, but, There should have been a rendering by now, am I right?
Or how about the Statler renovation or the Buffalo City Tower. The article on BuffaloRising made it seem like a brochure should be out with in the past month or so. I’m just getting antsy and nervous because id friggen die if that project fell through and the no news for a month is just scaring me.
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anything on The Gates Circle Condo Tower or Dulski Renovation yet? It's been about a year hasen't it? I'm no expert, but, There should have been a rendering by now, am I right?
I don't think it's been a year yet... more like late summer or early fall.

Still, they've been awfully quiet.
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Don't list a nursing home as a major development for ANY city ...ever... again. thanks!
Fool.

ANY project that involves an expensive cable-stayed signature bridge that may never get built, is worthy of mention in the Buffalo threads.

So, this project qualifies.
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Ellicott Commons....Tenants will start moving in soon. Most of the units are already leased- some at close to $3000 (units with rooftop patios).





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^^ Wow. $3000 per month for a rental... In a city where $1000 per month can get you an extremely nice apartment.

How do these people get their money? I want in!
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The Roanoke Bldg. expansion approved today by the Preservation Board. Aids Community Services is using the new space for expanded programs.





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There is that guy with the Photoshop lens flare again. WTF!
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There is that guy with the Photoshop lens flare again. WTF!
seriously, that's gotta stop.

they're not even warranted.

Photoshop does have other features you know.
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There is that guy with the Photoshop lens flare again. WTF!
LOL - in the front elevation it kinda works as a reflection of the sun off the glass facade.

On the other elevations it looks like a mistake. Not sure what they were going for as brick tends to not have "reflective" qualities.

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Silvestri seems to be one of the busier architectural firms in the city all of a sudden. Roanoke, Niagara Center, 878 Main and Statler Towers are some of their most recent projects.
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