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Old Posted Nov 18, 2014, 5:43 AM
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very long weekend, you are correct. 1700 market, where frame shop is currently was first proposed to be market rate SRO, with communal kitchens. I'm not sure when/why the plan changed. There is a market rate SRO project still in discussion in SOMA on Folsom at Dore I believe.
     
     
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Today I took a picture from the 23rd floor of the Essex Fox Plaza of the scaffolding going up at the back of 150 Van Ness Avenue in preparation for the demotion of the old automobile association building. You can the see the scaffolding on the right side. An apartment building 7 stories high will be built from Van Ness Ave. to Polk St. on Hayes St.

The Spanish revival building on Fell St., on the left, is being restored to it's original condition (with alterations) and will house a private school for children.


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lol really guys where did you get 7 stories?!!! this project is 12 stories.....
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2014, 10:42 AM
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150 Van Ness Avenue - 12 stories

lz131313 - thanks for pointing out the error. The building design makes the building look shorter than it really is in the drawing. Twelve stories it is! This will be a project much longer to build than I had realized. That means that the folks on about the 14th floor of the Essex Fox Plaza will be looking at a crane outside of their window for about 12 months and will get a wake up call at 7:00 a.m.
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^^^To be fair, the current ugly building blocks a good portion of the new tower, and the new building will open that up with more space between the two buildings. I think it's a necessary move if Emerald wants to lease ~5-10% of its building at 100 Van Ness (currently un-leasable with that behemoth encroaching on the windows/views).
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2014, 8:22 PM
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What's the deal with those short stumpy buildings south of the transbay terminal? Ate they new? They need to be replaced by 50 to 70 story towers.
I assume you are referring to Foundry Square. Built during the 2000s, before the current boom and Transbay Tower.

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Old Posted Nov 18, 2014, 9:56 PM
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I think 340 Fremont is in that big, beautiful rendering of the City, it's just mostly blocked by...399 Fremont?

But I do think Block 5 has one too many decks showing based on the new design...
     
     
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I think 2013 and 2014 have just been warm up years for the boom of 2015-2017...and if Mayor Lee loses against Leno in 2015 (an anti-development progressive) we could see a lot of these proposals sunk.
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Progressives tend to do pretty poorly in SF mayoral elections. I think the last real progressive was Agnos. Matt Gonzales came closest in '03.

I know, I know, people are angry, this time will be different, progressives unite, etc. We hear it every 4 years

Other than the supervisors elections, which are NEIGHBORHOOD votes, not city wide, progressives have no real power in SF.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2014, 3:33 PM
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Progressives tend to do pretty poorly in SF mayoral elections. I think the last real progressive was Agnos. Matt Gonzales came closest in '03.

I know, I know, people are angry, this time will be different, progressives unite, etc. We hear it every 4 years

Other than the supervisors elections, which are NEIGHBORHOOD votes, not city wide, progressives have no real power in SF.
I think the developer for 8 Washington and the Warriors would disagree with that last statement.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2014, 5:21 PM
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i don't think that it's at all clear that leno would be anti-develoment. nor that he's the sane genre of progressive as peskin and the gang. i'd definitely consider voting for him over lee (in fact, already plan to) but i'll be looking for clarification on development policy before that. if he's looking to take the city backward, oy.
     
     
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^^^If you don't mind me asking, what don't you like about Lee that you feel Leno would address, or do a better job of?

So far I think Lee has been great for business and real estate in this city. I'd equate him to the late Mayor Menino in Boston, or Bloomberg in New York (in this regard). He's definitely more of a "business community" oriented mayor, which would seem favorable to anyone who's not a progressive. Is Leno considered "good for business", or is he solely a "man of the people"? I tend to get a little worried about politicians who proclaim themselves "men of the people" as that tends to lead to policy making with good intentions and lots of unintended consequences (historically). We aren't talking the feds here, where super pro-business interest politicians can often have the same effect of major unintended consequences, but I think you need a business friendly mayor, especially in generally business unfriendly cities such as San Francisco.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2014, 11:04 PM
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Mayor Lee has led one of the biggest job creation booms in the country and SF now has historically low unemployment. It is the strongest office market in the U.S. Every time I go back, vacant storefronts are being filled. Streets look better than before (Cesar Chavez, Castro, Divisadero, Guerrero). Parklets everywhere. The parks even look much better. The city is slowly becoming much more cleaner and upscale looking. Construction activity EVERYWHERE. A lot of it at least LEED Silver. Construction usually means progress. Right, "progress"ives?

But yeah, let's vote him out, cause Techies!!

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Old Posted Nov 19, 2014, 11:30 PM
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menino and bloomberg? both of those men oversaw visionary changes to their cities, i don't think i need even to list them. our guy here is in way over his head. he sees his main job as being basically not to break things and mostly to preside.

a few things for me stick out:

- very annoyed at his ambivalence on the importance of nightlife in sf, along with his caving to virtually any nimby opposition along the way (his refusal to champion anything even remotely controversial, including his named "legacy" which was the basketball arena under the bay bridge, just jettisoned because he's a coward, especially compared with a wiener or, yes, a leno).
- the disastrous state of muni at this point, even though it has been twice infused with "save muni" cash, and his relationship with the sfmta - not just the sunday parking or polk street or whatever but his management of the file generally, just disinterested and over his head, listening to the wrong people, misinterpreting the data, failing to familiarize himself with state/national/global trends in transit, living in the past. nothing compelling comes out of the mayor's office, it's basically always out of the sfmta itself, planning/parks or the board of supervisors. this guy is a placeholder, a presider during what could be the time for the most innovation here in sf in a hundred years;
- his complete disinterest in several things i care a lot about, including the jettisoned road diet on the great highway, the ridiculous fight for the waterfront for which any mayor worth anything would have fought tooth and nail in the face of the village people, a disinterest in extending the central subway, his ambivalence in the face of virtually any big idea for real transit expansion (where is the fort mason f-line extension? where is the urgency on geary rapid transit?), etc.;
- still annoyed about his refusal to support the public power initiative, which was all set to go but for his blocking it because of pg+e's goons getting their talons in;
- that all major roads stuff not proposed by bureaucrats is coming out of the offices of supervisors because the mayor's office only ever opposes things and doesn't even really consider the file until some high level type puts in on their desk;
- how he refused even to try to get the back taxes from airbnb that they basically admitted they'd be willing to pay in order to get the legislation that they got without the extra penalty;
- just airbnb generally, i'm in the feinstein (she's a u.s. senator here) camp where like rezoning of a whole city seems a bit crazy to me and seems pretty experimental, i'd have preferred mayoral leadership on it instead of leaving chiu to it, seemed utterly botched...

bah, the list goes on. we just have a mayor who doesn't have any vision. in the political science circles, they call it 'institutional capture' or 'bureaucratic capture', where the elected office holder comes to abandon his views as he adopts those of the entrenched interests and bureaucrats. except that lee came out of the bureaucracy and thus is working to bring the lethargy, empire-building, lack of imagination and straight rent-seeking appeals to the mayor's office. i'd vote for wiener in a heartbeat because he'd take the hammer to that with all the management prowess of a lee, leno too if proves right on the issues. we have this lame presider-type mayor who's blowing this boom time economic bonanza now and it drives me crazy.

edit to add: wakame, sf way going to boom no matter what. just like nyc and other cities riding the wave.
     
     
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Let's get back on topic, folks.
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Mayor Lee has led one of the biggest job creation booms in the country and SF now has historically low unemployment. It is the strongest office market in the U.S. Every time I go back, vacant storefronts are being filled. Streets look better than before (Cesar Chavez, Castro, Divisadero, Guerrero). Parklets everywhere. The parks even look much better. The city is slowly becoming much more cleaner and upscale looking. Construction activity EVERYWHERE. A lot of it at least LEED Silver. Construction usually means progress. Right, "progress"ives?

But yeah, let's vote him out, cause Techies!!

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I agree with wakamesalad for once! The city has only been getting better, even since I first came in 2011 the changes are obvious. There are twice as many people walking on Market St from 5th-Van Ness as there were just those few years ago.
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menino and bloomberg? both of those men oversaw visionary changes to their cities, i don't think i need even to list them. our guy here is in way over his head. he sees his main job as being basically not to break things and mostly to preside.

a few things for me stick out:

- very annoyed at his ambivalence on the importance of nightlife in sf, along with his caving to virtually any nimby opposition along the way (his refusal to champion anything even remotely controversial, including his named "legacy" which was the basketball arena under the bay bridge, just jettisoned because he's a coward, especially compared with a wiener or, yes, a leno).
- the disastrous state of muni at this point, even though it has been twice infused with "save muni" cash, and his relationship with the sfmta - not just the sunday parking or polk street or whatever but his management of the file generally, just disinterested and over his head, listening to the wrong people, misinterpreting the data, failing to familiarize himself with state/national/global trends in transit, living in the past. nothing compelling comes out of the mayor's office, it's basically always out of the sfmta itself, planning/parks or the board of supervisors. this guy is a placeholder, a presider during what could be the time for the most innovation here in sf in a hundred years;
- his complete disinterest in several things i care a lot about, including the jettisoned road diet on the great highway, the ridiculous fight for the waterfront for which any mayor worth anything would have fought tooth and nail in the face of the village people, a disinterest in extending the central subway, his ambivalence in the face of virtually any big idea for real transit expansion (where is the fort mason f-line extension? where is the urgency on geary rapid transit?), etc.;
- still annoyed about his refusal to support the public power initiative, which was all set to go but for his blocking it because of pg+e's goons getting their talons in;
- that all major roads stuff not proposed by bureaucrats is coming out of the offices of supervisors because the mayor's office only ever opposes things and doesn't even really consider the file until some high level type puts in on their desk;
- how he refused even to try to get the back taxes from airbnb that they basically admitted they'd be willing to pay in order to get the legislation that they got without the extra penalty;
- just airbnb generally, i'm in the feinstein (she's a u.s. senator here) camp where like rezoning of a whole city seems a bit crazy to me and seems pretty experimental, i'd have preferred mayoral leadership on it instead of leaving chiu to it, seemed utterly botched...

bah, the list goes on. we just have a mayor who doesn't have any vision. in the political science circles, they call it 'institutional capture' or 'bureaucratic capture', where the elected office holder comes to abandon his views as he adopts those of the entrenched interests and bureaucrats. except that lee came out of the bureaucracy and thus is working to bring the lethargy, empire-building, lack of imagination and straight rent-seeking appeals to the mayor's office. i'd vote for wiener in a heartbeat because he'd take the hammer to that with all the management prowess of a lee, leno too if proves right on the issues. we have this lame presider-type mayor who's blowing this boom time economic bonanza now and it drives me crazy.

edit to add: wakame, sf way going to boom no matter what. just like nyc and other cities riding the wave.

I know it's "off topic", but considering mayoral elections and policy (widely known as part and parcel with SF) impacts real estate in big ways, I do think it's all relevant to occasionally discuss and bring up. That being said, I agree with most of your comments above, but what in God's name makes you think Leno will address your concerns better? Also, while no visionary, and with limited backbone, Lee is pretty hamstrung, politically. He was appointed after all, not elected by the people. We're also in fairly "touchy" times where most politicians who oversee larger, more diverse populations (e.g. mayor, at large supervisors, etc) walk on egg shells in the current climate of change. Perhaps Lee will break out of his cage and stand for stuff and enforce other stuff if he is elected to a 2nd term and doesn't have to worry about reelection.

Just a thought. And maybe Leno is better for business, and for real estate, and for all of your poignant concerns addressed above, but that's not what's been conveyed to me thus far. I was really just asking for your opinion on why Leno's better, not where you think Lee's shortfalls have been. Also, keep in mind that before Menino left office, every developer in Boston rushed to get their projects permitted. I feel that a departing Lee would have the same effect (to the extent regulations such as Prop M don't put the kibosh on things). That's where I got my analogy for Menino.
     
     
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^Except that he was elected. I remember voting. There were about 8 total candidates on the ballot.

It will be very hard to unseat an incumbent in a great economy.

And 8 Washington was struck down during an off season vote. I don't even know if 10% of the population voted. So, again, the progressives have no real power, and they know it. The soda tax, which should have easily won, didn't even pass.

Even Berkeley voted for high rise development, Berkeley! Lol. Going forward SF is never going to be anti-development.
     
     
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Ah, ok so there were only a few months left in Gavin's term and then he was elected in general vote. Gotcha.

I thought at one point you said it had been a while since you lived in the city, but that you had grown up here? So you were here as recently as late 2011. And I would imagine far more people turn up for a mayoral election than these 2x a year votes we have (even though the November vote was "big", it wasn't as big as voting for mayor). I wouldn't be so quick to presume we've seen the effect of a full voter turnout, though I agree, throughout the Bay Area we've turned a corner. Things can always change, though (and the soda tax needed something like 2/3 or 3/4 of the vote in SF and I recall it came fairly close...it was definitely well over 50%).
     
     
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The Schwab building at the corner of Market and Front had its scaffolding come down today. The transformation turned out to be worth it, actually (I think I originally had misgivings, but I see the light now).

What was at one point a pink, plasticky white trash wedding cake of a building is now "above average", with neutral tones and decent stone work. If anyone is in the area, go check it out.
     
     
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State high court OKs Parkmerced development plan

Bob Egelko
sfgate.com
Wednesday, November 19, 2014

The state Supreme Court gave the go-ahead Wednesday to a 20-year development plan at Parkmerced that will add 5,700 rental housing units, along with retail and office construction, at the 152-acre complex near Lake Merced and San Francisco State University.
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