YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 326

teriyaki · #**6501** Posted **Oct 24, 2014, 5:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

DELTA Seattle hub routes to Asia. How much of a challenge does this pose to YVR? (DL once had a PDX - Asia hub that included Fukuoka and Bangkok. As you all know that hub was disbanded)
Nevertheless, as an aside, is YVR to BKK a feasability? Would it be a good one to have?

http://upgrd.com/images/upload/image/aerospace/sea-asia.gif

Wow I don't know who and when that picture was created but it's got all sorts of wrong in it.

trofirhen · #**6502** Posted **Oct 24, 2014, 5:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by teriyaki

Wow I don't know who and when that picture was created but it's got all sorts of wrong in it.

It's what I found on google for Seattle's DELTA hub for Asia. I guess it's out-dated.
Anyway, a good thing it seems YVR is getting that visa-free zone after all. Hope it makes a difference !!

craneSpotter · #**6503** Posted **Oct 24, 2014, 10:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Mais oui!

My other theory is no matter from where you get off a plane... be that Minneapolis, Manchester or Manila... You gotta go through the same customs and immigration :-)

Agreed! Any passenger that passes through C&I is International. This would include passengers that TWOV.

Thank's for the YVR update - I read the BIV article ---- interesting. YVR is really pushing the TWOV hard and expecting the feds to announce it within a month or two! Was it the airlines (Asian) pushing officials at YVR to lobby the Feds hard for a TWOV zone? If this is true, does this mean that the Chinese/Asian airlines intend to use YVR as a global hub/link to South America??...hmmmm. Would AC be for or against the TWOV? It will be interested to watch unfold.

And hey, if YVR gets a few more non-stop international (Bogota, Sao Paulo, Santiago or.... DXB

) links out of the deal - good!

trofirhen · #**6504** Posted **Oct 24, 2014, 11:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Agreed! Any passenger that passes through C&I is International. This would include passengers that TWOV.

Thank's for the YVR update - I read the BIV article ---- interesting. YVR is really pushing the TWOV hard and expecting the feds to announce it within a month or two! Was it the airlines (Asian) pushing officials at YVR to lobby the Feds hard for a TWOV zone? If this is true, does this mean that the Chinese/Asian airlines intend to use YVR as a global hub/link to South America??...hmmmm. Would AC be for or against the TWOV? It will be interested to watch unfold.

And hey, if YVR gets a few more non-stop international (Bogota, Sao Paulo, Santiago or.... DXB

) links out of the deal - good!

I thought DXB was a non_starter, given that Emirates spat with Ottawa, and the fact that they now fly out of Seattle.
Qatar Airways, I understand, applied for YVR landing rights a while back, but have so far been refused.
The South American connection, if it unfolds, will be something to behold!

casper · #**6505** Posted **Oct 25, 2014, 5:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I thought DXB was a non_starter, given that Emirates spat with Ottawa, and the fact that they now fly out of Seattle.
Qatar Airways, I understand, applied for YVR landing rights a while back, but have so far been refused.
The South American connection, if it unfolds, will be something to behold!

I think DXB would have a very negative impact on YVR. If any of the current routes to Asia, China or to Europe are marginal it will undermine those flights.

trofirhen · #**6506** Posted **Oct 25, 2014, 12:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by casper

I think DXB would have a very negative impact on YVR. If any of the current routes to Asia, China or to Europe are marginal it will undermine those flights.

Yes, I think that is the rationale of the Federal Transport Department, too.
Anyway, India is much closer to YVR going via Beijing than Dubai, and I could not see how DBX would affect routes to Europe
(unless you're going three quarters of the way around the world to get there, or zig-zagging back and forth.....)
but I agree that DBX isn't really necessary for YVR as things are, anyway.
Much of having EMIRATES flying into a city is a "prestige" thing, it often seems.
IST would be a much more practical destination for YVR for destinations to Africa and the Middle East, though I doubt that will ever come about.

thegx · #**6507** Posted **Oct 26, 2014, 8:45 PM**

Someone on airliners.net is saying Air France will launch YVR-CDG next year (obviously should be taken with a grain of salt).

YXS_YVR · #**6508** Posted **Oct 26, 2014, 9:10 PM**

It's really unfortunate Emirates can't fly to YVR. In late September, I flew YVR-SEA-DXB-PER, returning this past Thursday, same routing. The trip via Seattle on Horizon adds another 4 hours each way including stopover.

Many Canadians uses the flight out of SEA. My family of 5 had the exact same flights to Perth as another family of 3. The Seattle to Dubai leg was 95% full and majority of the guests were continuing to India.

During baggage pickup in SEA, I noticed the return DXB to SEA flight had 4 families flying to YVR, one to YYJ, and one to YEG.

Emirates was an amazing carrier and I'd fly them out of Seattle again.

Johnny Aussie · #**6509** Posted **Oct 26, 2014, 10:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by thegx

Someone on airliners.net is saying Air France will launch YVR-CDG next year (obviously should be taken with a grain of salt).

Salt shaker firmly in place!

trofirhen · #**6510** Posted **Oct 26, 2014, 10:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by thegx

Someone on airliners.net is saying Air France will launch YVR-CDG next year (obviously should be taken with a grain of salt).

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Salt shaker firmly in place!

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Johnny Aussie · #**6511** Posted **Oct 26, 2014, 10:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Ze table, she is already starteeng to shake, just a leetel !!!!
(what a mean practical joke! Paris is a bitch to get into and out of (to YVR) in the off-season, trust me!!

It's not completely out of the realm of possibility obviously as there have been rumblings about more CDG on the horizon. I still would take a wait and see approach. I don't doubt the guy's sources but yeah this is how rumours get started.

Meanwhile back to Asia (LOL):

1) first AC Dreamliner has departed to PVG
2) CA has upgauged the daily PEK flight to the 77W with F class.
3) Eva is replacing one of its weekly TPE-YVR flights with a 77W instead of a 744 for a couple of weeks in Nov.
Source---> http://airlineroute.net/2014/10/27/br-yvr-nov14/

craneSpotter · #**6512** Posted **Oct 27, 2014, 8:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I thought DXB was a non_starter, given that Emirates spat with Ottawa, and the fact that they now fly out of Seattle.
Qatar Airways, I understand, applied for YVR landing rights a while back, but have so far been refused.
The South American connection, if it unfolds, will be something to behold!

Yeah, DXB was a bit of a joke based on the past rumors... and the Emirates dog & pony show that came to Canada a few years ago

I think a SA connection will happen within a few years (hopefully something announced by 2015)...reading between the lines on what the airport authority has been saying.

deasine · #**6513** Posted **Oct 29, 2014, 9:44 PM**

I don't think the South America option is as easy as Richmond touts it to be. If anything the TWOV would really help Air Canada increase its hubbing operation in YYZ as YYZ will definitely be going after this programme. For hubbing operations to work, it needs a strong hub carrier and YVR does not have that.

In the last 5-years, we've seen the end of many multi-carrier routes: British Airways and Qantas through their original (and arguably most iconic) Kangaroo route used to have BA operate services from LHR to BKK, HKG, and SIN, with QF picking up the rest of the way to Australia. For many reasons namely increased competition, QF opted to partner with EK instead now, and even the new EK-QF relationship is more EK sided than the equal BA-QF relationship. For YVR to become a South American hub as Richmond has envisioned, either:

Air Canada develops South American routes which for reasons I already discussed does not seem likely to happen due to the existing availability of routes at YYZ (as it seems YVR would not have the TWOV competitive advantage for too long) and because YVR would not have enough O&D to support routes to South America
South American carriers to be attracted to fly to YVR but this requires further feed - There are only three international airlines in Latin America/South America likely to do this: Avianca, Copa, and LAN. Avianca is part of Star Alliance and while there hasn't been too many partnerships, it would be logical to operate with AC. It could be possible for them to operate to YVR instead of YYZ to not "directly" compete with AC. However, Avianca has a lot of their hands tied right now with integration of their subsidiaries and Asia has not really been their main concentration focus (I see them likely growing in Europe first and using European hubs to feed onto Asia). Copa's niche is more for North America-South America with Panama as a centre hub rather than for international ambitions, but even if they were to expand beyond this niche market, it would most likely take form using United's vast international network. LAN could start, but this banks on them making new relationships with other carriers, most likely oneworld carriers: JAL and Cathay Pacific are the main Asian oneworld carriers, but JAL has limited presence in YVR and Cathay acts more alone in oneworld.

Jebby · #**6514** Posted **Oct 29, 2014, 9:48 PM**

I don't see any of those three South/Central American airlines setting up a Vancouver route for connections to Asia. There just isn't the market for that, IMO.

All three airlines are more focused on expanding throughout Latin America and their international (non-LATAM) routes are heavily favoured towards the US and Europe (Spain, in particular).

Edit: Should clarify, by LATAM I meant Latin America, not LATAM Airlines Group which is the owner of LAN and TAM airlines.

SpongeG · #**6515** Posted **Oct 30, 2014, 5:32 AM**

so i was looking at some flights from calgary to tokyo as i was thinking of going there at some point, most of the options went via vancouver, some through seattle and san francisco, but one of the opetions went via minneapolis and than seattle lol wtf

Johnny Aussie · #**6516** Posted **Oct 30, 2014, 7:06 AM**

AC rouge is adding a fifth daily on the YVR-LAX route next summer. This will be operated by a 763.

The daily 763 will rotate through HNL and OGG which will increase to 5 weekly and 2 weekly respectively. This makes the Hawaii operation daily next summer from 5 weekly (4 HNL and 1 OGG) this past summer.

So rouge will have 4 daily 319s and a daily 763 to LAX.

Perhaps jockeying for position for the summer scheds early.

The way it stands now YVR-LAX will be up to 17 daily up from 12 this past summer.

nname · #**6517** Posted **Oct 30, 2014, 7:33 PM**

^ I smell cheap tickets to LA this summer

EDIT: Its $246, a whole $100 cheaper than the cheapest I got last summer... The US actually imposed more tax than the one-way base fare now...

Derek · #**6518** Posted **Oct 30, 2014, 11:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

AC rouge is adding a fifth daily on the YVR-LAX route next summer. This will be operated by a 763.

The daily 763 will rotate through HNL and OGG which will increase to 5 weekly and 2 weekly respectively. This makes the Hawaii operation daily next summer from 5 weekly (4 HNL and 1 OGG) this past summer.

So rouge will have 4 daily 319s and a daily 763 to LAX.

Perhaps jockeying for position for the summer scheds early.

The way it stands now YVR-LAX will be up to 17 daily up from 12 this past summer.

Still nothing to SAN?

Johnny Aussie · #**6519** Posted **Oct 31, 2014, 12:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by Derek

Still nothing to SAN?

Possibly on the cards for late 2015.... among others. Rouge is far from finished with YVR.

....stay tuned to this station for your regular updates.

excel · #**6520** Posted **Oct 31, 2014, 1:07 AM**

^ You're the man Johnny.