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Old Posted Jan 6, 2018, 6:00 PM
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That’s true within reason. It’s still a HUGE tourist attraction that generates a lot of money. It’s one of the reasons NYC is NYC. I’ve lived in both cities though was only in Vegas for 15 months, and locals have the same attitude. Locals avoid the Vegas Strip, and locals avoid Time Square.
And locals avoid Hollywood Blvd. I do think the area around LA Live will evolve differently and has real promise. It will be interesting to see MyFigueroa completed to make that street less of the monster that it is through there. It would be nice if they would permanently make Chick Hearn Ct a continuation of the pedestrian plaza.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2018, 8:05 PM
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Do you guys realize that no one actually likes Times Square? Everyone who lives in New York avoids it and I can't imagine anyone who visits decides to stay for longer than five minutes.
I don't like New Year's Eve. It's not spontaneous enough. Everything is expected in New Year's Eve.
It's quite boring, right?

Only Sydney, Australia and Rio, Brazil are worth New Year's Eve.

You and I like surprises, right? Every single day can bring some pleasant surprise!
I like unexpected parties. They are always the best.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2018, 9:02 PM
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Question: How many 1000-footers can you realistically imagine LA having by the 2028 Olympics?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2018, 9:44 PM
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This will be what TS would be if it were built today. Even the look of Oceanwide and Circa remind me of the newest and more modern non themed resorts on the Vegas strip. It works well in the West, which tends towards more open and airy design than the desired/reviled 'canyon' that every armchair architect seems to value.
I tend to agree but it also reminds me of stuff built in Miami..
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2018, 9:49 PM
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Question: How many 1000-footers can you realistically imagine LA having by the 2028 Olympics?
Maybe four or more but we'll see-the current boom will fade then who knows will happen when the next one hits (it boils down to good ole economics-supply and demand).
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2018, 10:01 PM
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Question: How many 1000-footers can you realistically imagine LA having by the 2028 Olympics?
It depends on the economy & the approval process. If the economy tanks & the building boom ends, L.A. might be left with the two 1000+ footers it already has until the next boom starts. If the building boom continues, maybe another 2 or 3? The approval process also matters. USB (Library Tower) depended on height transfers from the Central Library to get to its height. I would love to see Angel's Landing get over 1000' (hopefully 1150-1250' with a spire) and the 975 footer proposed on south Fig. also add a spire or crown to get over 1000'.

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Old Posted Jan 6, 2018, 11:21 PM
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It depends on the economy
It depends mainly on that.

if dt hadn't been struggling with so much vacant office space for over 25 yrs....if not longer....highrise devlpt would have been an easier sell during all that time & still today.





Filling up unused space in dt has been a more difficult task since what is described in this article didn't become evident until the past few yrs. The slowness in reaching today's point is why so many ppl in LA have traditionally favored living & working in hoods far away from dt.

silicon bch...with big space takers like google, yahoo, youtube....might have been as likely in dtla instead of samo, venice & playa del rey if dt had been more substantially improved over 20 yrs ago.

But better late than never.


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Fifteen Years in the Making, How Downtown L.A. Finally Arrived

By Mary Holland
January 5, 2018

“When I was growing up, I would tell people to get out of Downtown L.A. by 6 or 7 p.m.—it wasn’t safe,” my Uber driver told me as we wrapped around the Hollywood Freeway before making a turn onto West 4th Street. I looked down at my watch. It was about 7 p.m., and I was heading into the once-verboten neighborhood—now the city’s nexus for great restaurants and hip hotels.

The emergence of Downtown Los Angeles, dubbed DTLA, is no news flash: The area has been on the rise since the late 1990s. But that was the start of a long uphill climb. By 2009, it had already undergone the transition from bleak badlands to vibrant cultural mecca, thanks to early pioneers like the L.A. Live entertainment complex and the Standard Hotel. Since then, a slew of new hotels, restaurants, and museums have joined, and the neighborhood is showing no sign of slowing down.

“I don’t think it would be inaccurate to say that 15 years ago, it was an urban wasteland,” said real estate developer Tom Gilmore, referring to DTLA. An architect by trade, Gilmore almost single-handedly spearheaded the inner city’s rejuvenation. He first took note of DTLA’s architectural stock in the early ’90s: The inner city was a ghost town with potential, brimming with abandoned beaux arts and art deco buildings.

The neighborhood’s highest-profile opening yet, the NoMad, is coming this month to the historic Giannini Place building. After standing empty for 17 years, it’ll now have 241 Italian-inspired rooms designed by Jacques Garcia, a library, a rooftop pool, and a restaurant by Daniel Humm and Will Guidara (of New York City’s Eleven Madison Park). A Soho House is reportedly on its way, too, this summer.

To Gilmore, these are the brightest signs yet of the neighborhood’s arrival. “When a tastemaker brand like the NoMad comes in, you realize that whole block is going to change because of them, and you know that the bump from that is going to be significant,” he said.

For all its progress, DTLA is far from finished. Gilmore, for one, says the area is only halfway there. There are major projects still under way: the renovation of Pershing Square and the addition of the Regional Connector Rail, part of a $1.7 billion high-speed rail project that will link a trio of lines (it’s expected to be completed in 2021).

“I think the reason that it’s an important moment for Downtown right now is that people from other cities are beginning to take notice on a level that is more than just mild curiosity. The idea that Los Angeles is a viable alternative for the creative class and for the entrepreneurial population around the country—that’s new,” he said.

it wasn't too long ago when the subject of these vids would have been thought impossible or unrealistic.....


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Old Posted Jan 7, 2018, 9:04 PM
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Aye I'm just readjusting to downtown after being in Europe for almost a month, but wow they really cleaning up 5th st. Almost no loitering at Pershing Sq metro (the one right at Pershing Sq) and I saw hella police there as well. Plus, the 7/11 at 5th and Broadway closed? The number of aggressive people on 5th st is way down. Is this a one time thing or a pattern?
Yep the 711 is closed. Thank God, was nothing but a junkie magnet
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2018, 9:15 PM
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Cool

That moment when you realize that LA is potentially getting

Two 900+ footers (something it doesn't have yet)

925 fig. - 975ft
Angels Landing - 960(ish)ft

Two 800+ footers

City Century/Olympia project - 873 Ft.
Crescent Heights projects - 810ft

A few in the 600-700 footers. And tons in the 300-600 range.

Just to think that at one point, we almost went 20 years without a lot of stuff happening at once. There is soo much going on, we've begin to shrug off smaller projects
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2018, 1:50 AM
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^ It's been an awesome boom and one that stretches the skyline south and SE.

Hey just a quick question did they ever rebuild that 7 story housing complex that burned sometime back (I think it was back around early Dec 2014 and started by a homeless man) and damaged some nearby buildings?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2018, 3:34 AM
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Speaking of Angels Landing, I don't think this rendering was ever posted. To be honest, I think the design looks a bit dated. The top in particular needs some major refining.


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Old Posted Jan 9, 2018, 3:44 AM
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The base is so, so painfully ugly. Looks like two buildings crushing a dead 1970s mall. Honestly the whole thing looks dated. Needs serious refining.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2018, 3:52 AM
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Hey just a quick question did they ever rebuild that 7 story housing complex that burned sometime back (I think it was back around early Dec 2014 and started by a homeless man) and damaged some nearby buildings?

yes, they did.



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^ that proj, in fact, is one of the most popular newer additions to dtla among the LA forumers at ssp.


     
     
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2018, 4:55 AM
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^ Wow that project turned out gorgeously nice!!
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2018, 7:36 AM
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Speaking of Angels Landing, I don't think this rendering was ever posted. To be honest, I think the design looks a bit dated. The top in particular needs some major refining.


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The more I look at it, the more I like it. I agree, the design does have a vague early 1970s vibe. California Plaza Building to the left (almost 30 years old) looks newer somehow in comparison. But it is tall & that is GOOD. Would like to see the squat second tower add a few stories, and the tall tower add a spire or perhaps taper to a pointed top to get the building over 1100'. I'm hopeful the design will be refined & the final product will be even better.

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Looks like 820 So. Olive will top out in the next month or two. Nice addition to skyline.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2018, 6:44 PM
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Angels Landing does look like it was designed to look as if it were built in the 70s but renderings are always misleading. I will say this though, and I've said it before, LA sadly lacks architecture from the decades/time periods (in regards to Skyscrapers) and I honestly wouldn't hate if it were built as is for the simple fact It gives our skyline a taste of the 70s. We're already full of the 80s and 90s. The 70s and earlier wont hurt.

(PS. Please do not respond to this with any mention of a spire, art deco and/or mention of being taller...........I'll scream. )
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2018, 7:17 PM
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I LOVE the Angels Landing design. The finishes/color will look great in L.A.'s light and often hazy atmosphere and is unlike anything we have around town.
     
     
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Handel Architects, the firm behind the design, does pretty bland work IMO. Much of their portfolio doesn’t impress me, especially the skyscrapers they’ve designed. Why couldn’t they get SOM or KPF?
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Angels Landing looks like a taller version of the Copley Place mall and Westin hotel in Boston.
     
     
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