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Old Posted Jan 29, 2013, 7:32 PM
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But neither are ideal - if they're going to design for residential at street level, you end up with fortresses like some of those developments around 2nd and 3rd and Alameda (and others in the arts district). They create dead zones the same as empty retail spaces, with no hope of that changing.
I'd qualify that statement a bit. Residential at street level creates dead zones when its built the way we tend to build residential in LA:
  • Big lobby/entranceway with car-drop off area
  • Hulking podium garage structure
  • Large parking structure entry doors with security arm or rolling metal doors

Take away all the car storage crap, or at least put the garage entirely underground, and the first level of the building becomes a lot more inviting.

Something else I've never seen in LA that you see a lot in cities like Portland, Vancouver, and Washington DC are real doors, meaning separate entrances for each of the apartments/condos on the ground floor. It makes the block feel much more human scale and comfortable to walk down, and increases pedestrian traffic slightly.


Real doors in Portland (Source: GGW)


Real doors in Clarendon VA (DC Suburbs) (Source: GGW)


Real doors in Portland (Source: GGW)


The only place I've seen this in Los Angeles is the backside of Gallery Lofts in the Arts District, and those are not exactly inviting as they're seperated by tall security fences:


(Source: Google Maps)

As per usual, urban design seems to be LA's big achilles heel. I really hope this starts to change soon.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2013, 8:01 PM
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that's good to know...& a relief if they're managing to pull in enough customers per day to remain open.

as for illithid's post or chef's link to the perry group, I'm certainly not oblivious to just how tough it is....how much turnover exists....not just for the restaurant business, but for small retail businesses in general. but dtla is a special case. The reason is its reputation has long been one where businesses, big & small....unless they're barely one step up from ppl who sell junk out of the trunk of their car at a drive in swapment....fear to tread.

A place like Figaro on broadway is even more of a special case cuz it's just about the first & only nice business to open in that part of dt in over 40 yrs. So if it doesn't succeed, that will have greater repercussions than if it were a business that fails to survive in brentwood or Samo, or pasadena, or newport bch.

I also have a soft spot for owners of places like hygee & figaro. That's cuz they're newcomers trying to add to the quality of the city....by moving here from another country....including from towns in europe that aren't as infamous for being hostile to city life....& putting their hard earned $$ into a new shop in dtla.

But whether a restaurant in dtla is owned by locals or immigrants, they must all be familiar with the way such businesses trying to open in dt have to go through a maze of city permits & red tape. They probably have dealt with costly delays, so the odds already are stacked against them, in more ways than one.




I don't think it's just a matter of understanding who's the biggest, best shoppers out there....or the difference between customers who are guys instead of women....but also trying to figure out the nature of dt by seeing it from a close vantage point. When I'm miles away from the hood & guessing what things are like for ppl actually there....& trying to gauge how new projs & improvements are affecting things....I notice my perceptions are different compared with when I'm actually in the hood. I'm generally an easier grader when looking at things from a distance than from up close.

I posted this a few months ago, since it shows the relationship of the new projs now finally....FINALLY!....underway to the rest of the hood. iow, unless ppl actually are in dt, they're more likely to not realize what's going on next door or across the street from the onni tower, or carmel partners bldg, or the tower at 8th & hope.

I don't think stores sitting along streets, & that are located in new apt bldgs, are the only answer to making dt more friendly to pedestrians....to make Grand around 8th & 9th st, or farther south, seem less lonely. I'd be perfectly happy if the first floor of new apt bldgs contained residences. The only problem with that is many ppl wouldn't want to live in such units, due to a lack of privacy, or cuz of noise, or due to security concerns. But I'd rather walk past apts with ppl inside, than vacant shopfronts, or spaces where stores close up after 6:00 at night, or are hurting for customers & look kind of .


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this really is a good time for ppl living in dt, or working there, or visiting there, & for anyone keeping track of the maturing of LA overall. The number of new projs in dt, & extending west to Wilshire & western, & Wilshire & LaBrea, & the projs in Hollywood, & other parts of town, make this a very satisfactory....& long overdue....moment in LA's history.

Right now, on this very day....when 2 major projs finally showed signs of beginning work....is when it should be said....yes, it's all good.


I was dissapointed by the height of 8th and Grand but it looks like there's still a lot of room left for taller stuff in the future.
     
     
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Vibes of 2008 are coming back. I foresee another sea of cranes once again

Whats the building on the right under construction?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2013, 8:13 PM
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Whats the building on the right under construction?
Taller building on the far right is the Watermarke which was completed a few years ago. The building directly across the street is Apex. Which was completed shortly after the Watermarke.
     
     
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That's a lot of development. Is that a reasonable expectation?

As a downtown resident, it's very hard to take the long view. It often feels like things hang on by a thread here, that it's a constant battle between blight and progress. DTLA feels somewhere between the Lower East Side and Detroit, depending upon which block you're on. I agree with another poster that if Figaro or even Ross fails, that could scare off businesses (as will the streetcar construction). Businesses rise and fall all the time everywhere, but it's hard in downtown when there are so few of them. I'm bummed that Suburban is gone, I liked that place and you'd think it would do well given the # of lofts and constant turnover.
Right now I am counting at least 5500 units under construction or planned. I am not even including the Barry Shy SB Omega with 350 units or Lorenzo (near USC) with 950 units or some of the affordable housing planned. 5500 units would translate to around 8000 new residents...and that is coming off the worst economy since the depression. You can look at the Development section of the Downtown News to see the various projects.

Yes, we have a long way to go but smart money in LA is investing here in Downtown. We have only started the new growth stage. Condos will be next!
     
     
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I was dissapointed by the height of 8th and Grand but it looks like there's still a lot of room left for taller stuff in the future.
I don't mind 7 story buildings around downtown, but I was disappointed with the height of this one not being consistent with most of the buildings surrounding it. I'll take it nonetheless.
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I don't mind 7 story buildings around downtown, but I was disappointed with the height of this one not being consistent with most of the buildings surrounding it. I'll take it nonetheless.
Looking at Google Maps, there is nothing of any height surrounding 8th and Grand. Aside from maybe Skylofts.
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Onni and Carmel Partners are making short work of those parking lots. Pretty much completely dirt now.
     
     
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Is there a map that shows that mount of available space(ex. parking lots) for construction left in Downtown?
     
     
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Looking at Google Maps, there is nothing of any height surrounding 8th and Grand. Aside from maybe Skylofts.

Its still an ideal area for highrises. I wouldn't mind the orignal design but I'd almost rather see it remain a parking lot an wait for a 20-40 story tower in the future.
     
     
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Its still an ideal area for highrises. I wouldn't mind the orignal design but I'd almost rather see it remain a parking lot an wait for a 20-40 story tower in the future.
There are dozens upon dozens of flat parking lots. Then dozens of parking structures. Then dozens of crap 2 story buildings that need to be demolished. Downtown is generations away from running into the 'we have nowhere to go but UP' stage.
     
     
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Is there a map that shows that mount of available space(ex. parking lots) for construction left in Downtown?

http://theurbanobserverdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/parking-lots-south-park1.jpg
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January 29th at 2:00PM pictures. They're all very large so I encourage you to open them up.


Lots going on at the 8th & Grand lot.


20130129-IMG_8823 by Hunter Kerhart, on Flickr


20130129-IMG_88088 by Hunter Kerhart, on Flickr


20130129-IMG_8799 by Hunter Kerhart, on Flickr


20130129-IMG_8802 by Hunter Kerhart, on Flickr


Basically nothing going on here.. 1 little truck pokin around the lot.


20130129-IMG_8814 by Hunter Kerhart, on Flickr


20130129-IMG_8817 by Hunter Kerhart, on Flickr


20130129-IMG_8826 by Hunter Kerhart, on Flickr

And as always the 8th & Hope lot is bustling with activity.


20130129-IMG_8811 by Hunter Kerhart, on Flickr
     
     
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Thanks for the map ThreeHundred, I hadn't seen that before.

Also, Wetzels Pretzels opens Friday (underneath Qdoba at 7th & Hope). I'm sure they'll do extremely well.. That cinnamon smell wafting through the entire subway station will be irresistible.
     
     
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Basically nothing going on here.. 1 little truck pokin around the lot.


20130129-IMG_8814 by Hunter Kerhart, on Flickr


20130129-IMG_8817 by Hunter Kerhart, on Flickr
Still looks far different than what was there last Saturday.
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JBasically nothing going on here.. 1 little truck pokin around the lot.
I think you must have caught them during their lunch break. I walked by shortly afterwards and there was heavy equipment at work.

Anyway, up on Bunker Hill...

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I think you must have caught them during their lunch break. I walked by shortly afterwards and there was heavy equipment at work.
Thats good to hear.
     
     
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Trees are starting to arrive in Spring Street Park!

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