Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by Mister F

Of course it was silly for anyone to think that you want them dead, you just want them out of the way in a tiny suburban facility where they don't bother you with their presence, invisible and irrelevant. Just like Buster Bluth, neither seen nor heard. So the complete opposite of dead!



That would be Liga MX.

Yeah, lets take a flight to Mexico every time we want to watch a live game...in a few years MLS teams will have higher budgets than Liga MX so thats a moot point anyway.

Wanting them in Lamport or Downsview or York is hardly invisible, just not getting in our way and causing us to compromise our experience. In many ways York would be even more visible with direct subway access and a captive student population.

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by Mister F

Is that a hipster filter at an Argos game? Looks like the move to Liberty Village is paying off!

According to people who actually worked at the gate there were 8000 tickets sold and 8000 given away, so that would be the free tickets filter (family section).

[king10]

Originally Posted by osmo

Again. Photos are misleading and frankly I find the press to be quite stupid. That article on the Tailgating was full of mis-truths, with Sara giving the press the run-around and them not able to put 2+2 together to see she was taking them for a ride with spin.

This photos does not tell you the whole story....

The Lot... for parking.... Yeah full of cars. But the "Tail-Gate" happened in a penned off section of the lot.

You can see the fence in the photo you posted:


- Toronto Sun

So when Sara - a suit for the Argos - is saying the lot has 300 spots full she isn't lying, but she is not telling you the truth. The truth is they only had 60 "Tailgating" spots for sale for this first game as a test run. You had to purchase a "Tailgate" add-on to your parking to be able to put your car in that fenced off lot. Parking in that lot did not mean you were tailgating, those are two separate things. They only sold around 30 of the add-on packages, hence to "Tailgate" lot was half full. But when you factor in staff, 50000 police officers, and the fans that feedlot likely looked full.

My source again for this legit...Execs and higher ups... within MLSE. But people want to take may word as hate when I just giving people facts.

The interesting thing is that Ex Place (by default.. the City) was not cool with the Tailgating idea on their property. Ontario Place is getting the money for this Tailgate experiment not MLSE. Likely as Ontario Place is Provincial Owned they could get away with massaging the draconian liquor laws to make this happen.

Do you stroke yourself while you post?

[king10]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

Yeah, lets take a flight to Mexico every time we want to watch a live game...in a few years MLS teams will have higher budgets than Liga MX so thats a moot point anyway.

Wanting them in Lamport or Downsview or York is hardly invisible, just not getting in our way and causing us to compromise our experience. In many ways York would be even more visible with direct subway access and a captive student population.

You said it was the top soccer league in north america. Its not. Simple as that. Not "in a few years so the point is moot"

No the point is not moot.

Also what does taking a flight to mexico everytime we want to watch a live game have anything to do with it being the top league in North America.

Love the entitled tfc supporter coming out again. "Causing us to compromise our experience" give it a rest

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by king10

You said it was the top soccer league in north america. Its not. Simple as that. Not "in a few years so the point is moot"

No the point is not moot.

Also what does taking a flight to mexico everytime we want to watch a live game have anything to do with it being the top league in North America.

Love the entitled tfc supporter coming out again. "Causing us to compromise our experience" give it a rest

North America as in Canada + US. Mexico is geographically North American but culturally Latin or Central American. TFC has no competition within 1000 KM in any direction. CFL teams have better competition just down the highway: Detroit, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, arguably even some American college teams.

[king10]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

North America as in Canada + US. Mexico is geographically North American but culturally Latin or Central American.

Yes, lets make up the rules as we go as they better suit your argument.

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by king10

Yes, lets make up the rules as we go as they better suit your argument.

My points are relevant, Liga MX teams arent remotely a competitive distraction to TFC. We're the top league in Canada and the US, period. The CFL cant say the same, its the 2nd or 3rd level in North America (Canada/USA).

Theres a reason MLS teams outdraw the CFL in 2 of our top 3 cities already and on track to outdraw in our 3rd city in a couple years, and its only been in this country for a decade. The writings on the wall and people are voting with their feet. Before the old tv argument comes out, keep in mind MLS teams have 20-30 home games a year so fans only watch their local team typically. In the CFL (like NFL), theres only 9 home games or so thus they watch other teams in their league, hence higher tv numbers.

[king10]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

My points are relevant, Liga MX teams arent remotely a competitive distraction to TFC. We're the top league in Canada and the US, period. The CFL cant say the same, its the 2nd or 3rd level in North America (Canada/USA).

No your points arent relevant. Mls is not the top league in north america. Simple. Not of this "but latin america. But in 10 years"

Also what does this have to do with the cfl. Stop bashing our only truly independent national league.

Its the third best league in north america? Lmao alrite man. Keep drinking the corporate koolaid.

IMO the CFL is the best football league in the world. (World being Canada) because i like to construe geography however i please to further my argument.

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

Liga MX teams arent remotely a competitive distraction to TFC.

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

TFC has no competition within 1000 KM in any direction. CFL teams have better competition just down the highway: Detroit, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, arguably even some American college teams.

So, what you are saying is that the CFL deserves our deep respect and admiration, since it manages to thrive (second only to hockey) despite living squarely in the shadow of the biggest sports juggernaut in the history of the world: the NFL. Whereas MLS in Canada, despite having no competitive distractions within 1000 KM in any direction, is dead last in both ratings and Canadian interest.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

My points are relevant, Liga MX teams arent remotely a competitive distraction to TFC. We're the top league in Canada and the US, period. The CFL cant say the same, its the 2nd or 3rd level in North America (Canada/USA).

Theres a reason MLS teams outdraw the CFL in 2 of our top 3 cities already and on track to outdraw in our 3rd city in a couple years, and its only been in this country for a decade. The writings on the wall and people are voting with their feet. Before the old tv argument comes out, keep in mind MLS teams have 20-30 home games a year so fans only watch their local team typically. In the CFL (like NFL), theres only 9 home games or so thus they watch other teams in their league, hence higher tv numbers.

Who cares if you think MLS is top in Mistercorporates North America, CFL is by far and wide way more popular in Canada. Look at TV numbers, look at number of teams in Canada, look at polls that have been consistently put up on these forums. The CFL preseason game on June 8th, montreal and Winnipeg, had close to half a million TV viewers... For preseason... Has TFC even reached 500k viewers total for all of their games? Your excuse for a theory as to why there's more viewers for football is absolutely astonishing.... So foolish...

All your arguments are a joke, you make TFC fans look like a bunch of self righteous individuals, when I know that 95% of the fanbase are good sports fans. BMO is now Argos stadium just as much as TFC stadium. Good luck accepting that. Hope you find a way to pull your head out of the sand and learn to enjoy it.

[Mister F]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

Wanting them in Lamport or Downsview or York is hardly invisible, just not getting in our way and causing us to compromise our experience. In many ways York would be even more visible with direct subway access and a captive student population.

Accommodating soccer at BMO is compromising the football experience by shortening the end zones and making the field off centre. Maybe it's time to move TFC to York where they'd enjoy better exposure due to being at a university in the suburbs.

Mental gymnastics are fun. In all seriousness, nothing of consequence is being compromised. The stadium is owned by the city, operated by the owners of both teams, and was originally meant to house both sports. The Argos have just as much claim to BMO as TFC. Might as well get used to sharing it.

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

North America as in Canada + US. Mexico is geographically North American but culturally Latin or Central American. TFC has no competition within 1000 KM in any direction. CFL teams have better competition just down the highway: Detroit, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, arguably even some American college teams.

So you must be excluding Quebec too, since it's also culturally Latin. And Germany and England must not be on the same continent as France and Italy, since the latter two are culturally Latin too. Don't even get me started on what continent the Slavic countries are on.

Using "North America" as shorthand for its two northern countries never made any sense to me. The cultural differences between Latin and Germanic countries are pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. The Mexico/US border is more economic than cultural, but even that misses the point - continents are geographic land masses. Culture and economics have nothing to do with it.

And no, US college football isn't better than the CFL. It's just not.

My points are relevant, Liga MX teams arent remotely a competitive distraction to TFC.

So when are we going to see Houston and LA join the Mexican league? After all, there's better competition just a short drive away! They should be playing against the best competition available right? It's amazing that they keep slumming it in MLS.

[caltrane74]

Is the US even a Germanic/Nordic country anyway..., I mean they are a polygot type country and yes English is the language of the day, but the Latin influence there is becoming pretty overwhelming.

[EpicPonyTime]

Originally Posted by osmo

Again. Photos are misleading and frankly I find the press to be quite stupid. That article on the Tailgating was full of mis-truths, with Sara giving the press the run-around and them not able to put 2+2 together to see she was taking them for a ride with spin.

This photos does not tell you the whole story....

The Lot... for parking.... Yeah full of cars. But the "Tail-Gate" happened in a penned off section of the lot.

You can see the fence in the photo you posted:


- Toronto Sun

So when Sara - a suit for the Argos - is saying the lot has 300 spots full she isn't lying, but she is not telling you the truth. The truth is they only had 60 "Tailgating" spots for sale for this first game as a test run. You had to purchase a "Tailgate" add-on to your parking to be able to put your car in that fenced off lot. Parking in that lot did not mean you were tailgating, those are two separate things. They only sold around 30 of the add-on packages, hence to "Tailgate" lot was half full. But when you factor in staff, 50000 police officers, and the fans that feedlot likely looked full.

My source again for this legit...Execs and higher ups... within MLSE. But people want to take may word as hate when I just giving people facts.

The interesting thing is that Ex Place (by default.. the City) was not cool with the Tailgating idea on their property. Ontario Place is getting the money for this Tailgate experiment not MLSE. Likely as Ontario Place is Provincial Owned they could get away with massaging the draconian liquor laws to make this happen.

So we're supposed to believe you over the woman in the press because you say you work in the industry and have better information?

If we are, then I must inform you that I am a Nigerian Prince and your assistance is requested as a non-Nigerian citizen to assist the Nigerian National Petroleum Company, and also the Central Bank of Nigeria, in moving some funds out of Nigeria...

[snowmobile]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

My points are relevant, Liga MX teams arent remotely a competitive distraction to TFC. We're the top league in Canada and the US, period. The CFL cant say the same, its the 2nd or 3rd level in North America (Canada/USA).

Would you say they are a competitive distraction when they poach your best players for more $$ and better competition? http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/inside-m...-players-moving-to-mexico-feature-010816

Some liga mx teams play in 100,000 seat behemoths like Azteca while MLS teams play in baseball outfields and high school football stadiums.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by snowmobile

Would you say they are a competitive distraction when they poach your best players for more $$ and better competition? http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/inside-m...-players-moving-to-mexico-feature-010816

Some liga mx teams play in 100,000 seat behemoths like Azteca while MLS teams play in baseball outfields and high school football stadiums.

Thanks for posting that link. Interesting read even though I'm not a soccer fan.

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by snowmobile

Would you say they are a competitive distraction when they poach your best players for more $$ and better competition? http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/inside-m...-players-moving-to-mexico-feature-010816

Some liga mx teams play in 100,000 seat behemoths like Azteca while MLS teams play in baseball outfields and high school football stadiums.

High school stadiums, now youre just talking out your butt.

MLS has lost players at the lower end of the salary scale due to the salary cap but it has gained higher end Mexican national team players such Giovanni Dos Santos. MLS has more high end players and global icons than Liga MX. As the salary cap steadily increases this will all change and lower end players of Mexican origin will stay too, Mexicos salaries have been quite stagnant relative to MLS.

[king10]

juninho, Luis Gil and Omar Gonzalez werent at the lower end of the salary scale.

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by king10

juninho, Luis Gil and Omar Gonzalez werent at the lower end of the salary scale.

Omar Gonzalez was not rated as designated player material, which is why he left since they already have all their multimillion dollar players. He is at the top end of the lower wage players, not a DP. Those other players are lower profile. Even the article states these were not transfers at the top of the market. Giovanni Dos Santos was poached from Mexico by the same LA Galaxy on a 4.2 million dollar salary (higher paid than any player in Mexico but not the highest player in MLS), thats what i mean by high profile.

[Migs]

Could you guys take this footy argument elsewhere?

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by Mister F

Accommodating soccer at BMO is compromising the football experience by shortening the end zones and making the field off centre. Maybe it's time to move TFC to York where they'd enjoy better exposure due to being at a university in the suburbs.

Mental gymnastics are fun. In all seriousness, nothing of consequence is being compromised. The stadium is owned by the city, operated by the owners of both teams, and was originally meant to house both sports. The Argos have just as much claim to BMO as TFC. Might as well get used to sharing it.

No. BMO's existence lies with the Womens World Cup. It wouldn't have been built without federal tax dollars. Soccer was always first. The Argos were an early consideration as a backup plan if soccer failed but that was quickly dismissed. It's true soccer fans have to get used to sharing but, they do have every right to be upset over a soccer field substituting as a football field. Let's not go overboard.