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Old Posted Jan 8, 2019, 4:56 PM
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I doubt this will affect the Waller deal, however, WeWork's luster is fading a little bit now that Softbank backed out of the $16B buy.

WeWork Gets a Visit From Financial Reality
The SoftBank Vision Fund's decision not to invest more in the office space startup shows it is just a real-estate company. And a risky one at that.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...ancial-reality
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2019, 9:06 PM
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The ABJ has an article:

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n..._news_headline

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Meanwhile, the company on Jan. 8 announced the launch of The We Company, a rebranding that encapsulates three business lines: the flagship WeWork coworking business; WeLive, a housing initiative that emphasizes communal living spaces; and WeGrow, an education initiative that aims "to unleash every human's superpowers." WeWork has also raised another $2 billion from SoftBank.
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2019, 4:48 PM
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I doubt this will affect the Waller deal, however, WeWork's luster is fading a little bit now that Softbank backed out of the $16B buy.

WeWork Gets a Visit From Financial Reality
The SoftBank Vision Fund's decision not to invest more in the office space startup shows it is just a real-estate company. And a risky one at that.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...ancial-reality
I mean, that's an oped. It's not really factual, and it's not like softbank hasn't continued to pump money into them.
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The SoftBank Vision Fund's decision not to invest more in the office space startup shows it is just a real-estate company. And a risky one at that.
Anecdotally, I terminated my $1800/mo lease ($2500 with all bills) on S Lamar, and opted for a $400/all in at Fibercove on S Lamar...which includes booze, parking, coffee, snacks....24 hour access. Its a no brainer. I get that its a real estate play, but I think a very smart one.

Not to mention, the number of deals I've closed from the contacts I've made as blown my mind.
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2019, 5:54 PM
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Anecdotally, I terminated my $1800/mo lease ($2500 with all bills) on S Lamar, and opted for a $400/all in at Fibercove on S Lamar...which includes booze, parking, coffee, snacks....24 hour access. Its a no brainer. I get that its a real estate play, but I think a very smart one.

Not to mention, the number of deals I've closed from the contacts I've made as blown my mind.
Are there enough people like you out there to make the numbers work for a huge We Works investment in Austin? You just moved into cheaper digs. I doubt We Works is going to want to match the price you are paying to get your business.
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Are there enough people like you out there to make the numbers work for a huge We Works investment in Austin? You just moved into cheaper digs. I doubt We Works is going to want to match the price you are paying to get your business.
Startups that need flexible space to grow is a big market. As the US continues to shift into a service based economy from a production economy and becomes increasingly urban, the bet is it's a model that will continue to see increased demand. WeWork feels like they are getting out of the "floating desk" market (or at least not relying on it) and starting to focus heavily on the "5 person dedicated office market" all the way up to "whole floor office" market.

For start-ups that are growing its far more efficient than having to move offices every few years (or risk leasing a bigger space and not growing into it). It also lets you avoid the headaches of Triple Net leasing which most small businesses don't have the manpower to understand.

My company is leaning heavily that way as we grow. Right now everyone works out of my dining room twice a week and at home the rest of the time. But our efficiency loss of people working from home may be sufficient for us to benefit from dedicated space. Especially as we grow.

In larger markets (of which I assume Austin is about to become) for WeWork they also offer a nice feature to use space in any office in a city. In NYC for instance one of my best friends did consulting work and if he needed to be downtown to meet with a client could take space there, in downtown Brooklyn and Midtown but was able to do most of his work near home where he had rented dedicated space.

It's a cool concept. It's ultimately the office space equivalent of leasing a car. Kind of expensive, but with none of the headaches of ownership (or, Triple Net).

But if you are in an industry that is growing in an area networking benefits are real. I know a friend who does web usability consulting and has wound up with 4-5 clients from her (non-wework) co-office space, and my aforementioned friend in NYC was able to get a few database engineers to do some freelance work for his consultancy from people he met there.

My guess is they hype around co-office space will die down some, but the benefits are tangible. Especially when home-officing gets harder and not necessarily more affordable to rent a 2BR vs an 1BR and a co-office membership).

Long-term Wework I think intends to become a one stop shop for small companies, and I expect banking, financing, lending, HR services and pretty much everything that isn't the core business of a start-up to be offered (at a premium) by them. Given the 2-3 hours a day for months it took me to get a credit facility in place for our company, I'm betting a nice turn-key solution is going to be really appealing to a lot of start-ups. It may also put them in a cat-bird position to be first-position VC for startups globally.

It's an interesting long-term play that (if it works) may make wework one of the defacto largest VC players who can cash-out pre-IPO when "real" first-round financing happens. These larger clusters of offices (of which Austin may be the first) are going to let we-work transact in odd ways. I can see a start-up with cashflow problems but high prospects being handed "free" office space, hotel space, etc. in exchange for equity on top of financing payroll. This all of course may not work out, but I think their 47 billion valuation is around some of these "bigger" ideas.
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2019, 5:28 PM
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FastCompany's write up blamed SoftBank's own financial setbacks for the dialing down of the commitment, not anything WeWork did.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90289512...g-funding-news
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Anybody here remember the Dot.com bust. We Work just feels like a dicey proposition to me. At least Frank McCourt made out pretty well by doing next to nothing.
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Excellent comment.

I wonder about this site, TBH -- it's biiig, and covers a bunch of weird separate parcels. Part of me wonders if the intent for this area is more than just a WeWork outlet (with expanded services/concepts) -- I wonder if there's an HQ-like element to it, too.
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Excellent comment.

I wonder about this site, TBH -- it's biiig, and covers a bunch of weird separate parcels. Part of me wonders if the intent for this area is more than just a WeWork outlet (with expanded services/concepts) -- I wonder if there's an HQ-like element to it, too.
Their CEO is a big surfer, so unless Kelley Slater buying the surf park from the Coors kid to open up a surfing location
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The problem for WeWork is they own no assets. Property owners and management companies are now copying the model. 98 San jac has monthly rental and amenities for example. No doubt this is a growing trend and WeWork was one of the first movers at scale. But it’s easy to copy and if u own the building and run this model you could probably undercut WeWork prices. Hence WeWork rebranding and expanding into living and health. The health thing could be disruptive. Imagine as an individual getting group insurance via WeWork membership.

Fwiw. Facebook took all 4 floors of the WeWork in Chase bldg. corporates are putting flex up/down teams in these short term spaces. Mainly sales and service or support functions.
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The problem for WeWork is they own no assets. Property owners and management companies are now copying the model. 98 San jac has monthly rental and amenities for example. No doubt this is a growing trend and WeWork was one of the first movers at scale. But it’s easy to copy and if u own the building and run this model you could probably undercut WeWork prices.
This is a big problem for WeWork longterm and one I think isn’t discussed as much as it should be. I think eventually we’ll see more developer - WeWork partnerships where they do turn-key build outs and design and then source members, like broker services or a real estate consultancy. But with added verticals, their extended play does seem to be in building a “physical social network” The more they can up-sell their membership base, the more opportunity they’ll have. Like you said, healthcare could be a big time dimension. They’re well capitalized, so they will survive but make no mistake, developers and property owners are adapting. Novel Coworking is WeWork, except they own their buildings, so their prices are already undercutting the former. I think this will be very mixed-use, definitely WeLive as well. And I do think we could be looking at a satellite HQ. I think it’ll be interesting to see when the sharing economy really hits retail - there are a couple early stage companies doing cool things there and WeWork is flirting with it with WeMarket. I think the winner will be someone who marries micro-retail on flexible leases with an Omni-channel approach, really making it a front gate to one’s e-commerce channel. Like an interactive ad almost for touch-and-feel and product discovery, but still online and direct to consumer fulfillment. A showroom approach but with a very interesting end user experience. You see so much empty ground floor retail and a lot of retail in new developments is all food or service. Something’s got to give. I was working on a project along these lines a few months back with a group - still am to a degree - but I’m just really excited to see how flexible real estate disrupts that traditional 3-5 year storefront lease. Change is coming.
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Change is coming.
Change is already here. Great points, AustinGoesVertical and everyone above. Bigger risks generate bigger rewards, but can also generate bigger flame-outs. Regardless (irregardless?) its facinating to watch.
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No one thought hootis and gription were words either. I was unnecessarily shunned by society for many years for my copious usage of them... OR was it because I was an asshole for most of my life?? I could never quite figure that one out, but I prefer to blame my shame on my pedestrian vocabulary. Umm...er...what were we talking about??
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This image was part of an email from HFF celebrating their land sales during 2018. That upper left image for Waller Creek is one I haven't seen before. It was probably just a massing to show what could be built on the site for their marketing.


https://my.hfflp.com/upload/Blasts/B...d-Blast_02.jpg
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The height is great, but man, that's a lot of slabby buildings for one neighborhood. The tallest one there is easily 700 feet.
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Is there a link or at least a blown up copy of that image?
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Not any higher resolution, but a little easier to see. Actually looks pretty detailed - I could see this being more than a simple massing. The tower on the parking lot by iHop would be very nice, but the largest tower looks a little too bulky. Good height though.

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The views from the Fairmont would be *fantastic* lol
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The views from the Fairmont would be *fantastic* lol
Forget about the views from the Fairmont, these buildings would pretty much kill all North and West views from 93 Red River of downtown, the Capitol and the river.
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