HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > City Compilations


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #621  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 1:21 AM
LosAngelesBeauty's Avatar
LosAngelesBeauty LosAngelesBeauty is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 6,610
This is some very exciting news!!! I am so excited that these Fig Central towers are going to add some much needed height to the nascent South Park skyline.

The original heights of the proposed towers, although not exactly "short," were not that tall either. Now they're tall enough to really make an impact to Downtown's entire skyline.

Namely, one can reference the height of the Transamerica tower. This tower is actually visible from afar (I can see it from Monterey Park on the 60 freeway westbound). Now, the shortest tower of Fig Central will be about the same height as the Transamerica tower and the taller tower of the two will be about the same height as the One California Plaza Tower!

With the Ritz Carlton tower, two Fig Central towers, two Jardin towers, and Meruelo's 12th/Grand & 11th/Olive towers will really add a substantial presence to South Park and really fill in the gap between the FiDi and South Park.
__________________
DTLA Rising
     
     
  #622  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 1:49 AM
LosAngelesSportsFan's Avatar
LosAngelesSportsFan LosAngelesSportsFan is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 7,891
excellent news regarding Fig Central. the more the merrier! Love the fact that yet another hotel will be in the area. that can only mean good things for convention business and Downtown in general. i believe there is a third LA Entertainment hotel that will be build to the east of the LA Live Hotel. thats some critical mass right there. anyone know a groundbreaking date for LA Central. i think the last i heard was in summer so it should be soon.
     
     
  #623  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 6:41 AM
citywatch citywatch is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 6,702
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat View Post
Video of the DTLA Housing Forum.

Thanks for that link----nice way to end the holiday!

I think you also posted last yr the location of the video of the previous housing conference. Good too, cuz I'd never have known about them otherwise.

- First thing: Tom Gilmore makes a good MC. A more typical host, one into less or no humor, would have made the conference slower & too serious.

- The Related cos----devlpr of the Hikari, Block 8 & the Grand Ave proj----says that only 8 units (out of 128) are left in the new Hikari apt bldg at 2nd & Central. He also said the average income of the tenants there is $100,000, which has surprised the devlpr since a few yrs ago they thought only apts for lower income ppl would work in little tokyo.

- He also said the "San Pedro" apt bldg in block 8 is a temporary name only. Good thing too because that name makes me think the proj must be dozens of miles to the south, next to the LA harbor. The 22 floor tower that is supposed to rise directly north of the bldg is being designed right now, so I guess that means it won't be rising too soon in the future. However, he said that the Kor group's condo proj, which would be directly to the NW of the san pedro bldg, is supposed to break ground later this yr.

- As for the biggie, the Grand Ave proj, he implied the exterior of its shorter tower has been made plainer to save moolah. He also sounded like he wanted to shake a finger at Frank Gehry for pushing the upper limits of the proj's budget.

- He said that if the new Mandarin Oriental hotel in DTLA ends up being as nice as the one in Related's Time warner ctr in NYC, that it would be not just the nicest hotel in DT, but in all of LA. He said more ppl wouldn't have to keep running off to beverly hills for the best hotels in town.

- One of the devlprs of all those faux Euro apt bldgs that everyone loves so much said that 75% of the apts at their new visconti proj are leased. However, its web page shows only 5 apts are available, & there's no way so many units could have been rented in only around 13 days----the conference was held on June 21. I hope the devlpr isn't playing games with their web sites & inflating numbers.

- The spokesman for the parkfifth said that the psf price of condos in their tower will be $1,000, meaning that a small 1,000 sf condo would cost at least $1 million. That's getting pricey.

- When he said just how large some of the balcony patios would be, there was a bit of oohing & ahhing in the audience. IOW, some of those patios will be big. He also said the edge of them would look almost invisible as seen from inside, that when a person is sitting in a condo & facing out he'd seem to be looking into infinity. Gilmore joked that he knew someone who suffered from vertigo & said such condos would be too much for her.

- There was a point when the devlpr made me think I'd be able to stand up & cheer HIP, HIP, HURRAH! when it sounded like he was going to start saying something like "400 of our condos have been pre booked!!" Unfortunately, he only said that parkfifth's web site had gotten a lot of hits (I think it was 40,000). Because of the big bucks that the devlpr has put into advertising the proj, Gilmore kidded him about making managers of local papers very happy.

- The only thing that the devlpr of the Roosevelt conversion proj said that stood out to me was that their bldg was completed in 1927 & was one of the first to have its own underground parking garage. That means new devlpt in LA already was becoming autocentric over 80 yrs ago!

- I don't recall the spokesppl for the Meurelo tower & 1010 wilshire projs saying anything that isn't already known here.

- The devlpr of the Ralph's mktlofts made it sound like the grocery store's shelves would be filling up right about now, 1st wk of july, almost ready to open. The conference took place less than 2 wks ago, so I don't know if he was being too optimistic. The woman who manages the CCA sounded like she'd be pleasantly surprised if the store actually is operating towards the latter half of the month.

- As for the Q&A at the end, NO ONE asked a question like "what's going on with the Concerto proj??!!!" Or, "hey, Tom, what's going on with your proj next to St Vibiana's!!!???" Or, "does anyone know for sure if the devlpr of the Medallion is going to break ground by july!!!????" Or: "what the heck is going on with the Glass tower??!!"
     
     
  #624  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 6:51 AM
fridayinla's Avatar
fridayinla fridayinla is offline
World Citizen
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Amsterdam
Posts: 467
Quote:
Originally Posted by ladowntowner View Post
This sounds like good news because it could mean that these guys have faith in DT and they sense the demand for more units. OTH, it could be they may have discovered that the changes were necessary to get the project to "pencil out" due to rising costs and it's now in jeopardy. Hopefully it doesn't delay or kill the project, and whatever the reason, as long as it gets built as now envisioned it's still good news since we get a denser project. Let's keep our collective fingers crossed on this one!
Awesome news! I bet the increased density is a result of the early high demand for units in the Ritz Carlton/Marriott tower. I've never heard of a project increasing its size to make it pencil out, but I'm no expert!
     
     
  #625  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 6:57 AM
citywatch citywatch is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 6,702
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy View Post
It's been scaled down so much that I'm more excited about the removal of the dead zone. The project itself isn't really much to be excited about anymore.


I feel the same way, even more so after looking at pics a few days ago of Miami & vancouver in the my city photos forum. Sheesh, those cities have so many highrises & cranes that it's hard to keep track of them all. So if a 7 story wood framed proj at 4th & Main keeps getting delayed, what the hell is that all about??!!!

In fact, someone at the DT housing conference mentioned that he visited vancouver not long ago & noted that even though it's a city of no more than 4 million ppl, it has over 80,000 of them living in DT vancouver. OTOH, DTLA, in a county of 12 million, has only something like less than half that many residents. He made that point in regards to all the ppl who always approach him & tom Gilmore & sound so skeptical about the hood's ability to keep moving forward.

The only downside to all the highrise devlpt in cities like Miami or vancouver is if it ends up swamping the mkt with too much supply. That will be less of a potential problem here, esp if projs like the Medallion turn out to have a groundbreaking date delayed past july, past august, past sept....
     
     
  #626  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 7:09 AM
fridayinla's Avatar
fridayinla fridayinla is offline
World Citizen
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Amsterdam
Posts: 467
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy View Post
The Medallion is going to fill a humongous dead zone. It's almost like downtown just stops at that parking lot. At least that's what it feels like when you're walking.

Of course we were all originally excited about this project when it was projected to break ground two years ago. It's been scaled down so much that I'm more excited about the removal of the dead zone. The project itself isn't really much to be excited about anymore.
Agreed. Medallion is all about getting rid of the grimey parking lot dead zone. The project itself is nothing special, but it's a critical piece in connecting 2nd Street with the rest of Main Street, along with that LAPD vehivle facility-thingy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlrobe View Post
Man, costs, costs costs are really pissing me off. anyhow, in 2005, given all the projects on the table, I was like, "man, downtown LA in 2008 will be pretty damn cool". Sometimes I still think, "man, downtown LA in 2010 will be cool" but then I remember what I thought in 2005, and remember that potential is not the same as reality.
It's funny you say that. Seems like every major project proposed for downtown will be completed by 2010, and I too think "man, that's the year!", but 2008 is an important year too. No high-profile projects will be opening then, but so many of the conversion loft projects will open by end of 2007-2008. All those new residents with new retail openings, even in just the Roosevelt and Brockman buildings, will have a big impact on downtown. There's a lot to look forward to in the near future.

BTW, saw Transformers tonight - fun movie. 8th/9th & Broadway gets a big cameo, as does a lot downtown. I noticed some of the buildings (one large empty palace-warehouse in particular) they included were definitely not in our downtown. I read that some were scenes were shot in dowtown Detroit on Fort Street. Can someone please tell me why, with all of our beautiful historic bldgs, would they have to splice in a few shots of buildings in DETROIT?

Last edited by fridayinla; Jul 5, 2007 at 7:16 AM.
     
     
  #627  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 9:40 AM
LosAngelesBeauty's Avatar
LosAngelesBeauty LosAngelesBeauty is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 6,610
Re: Medallion.

I don't have a problem with the height (approx. 6-7 stories). I have a problem with the design. Obviously you see high-quality buildings that aren't skyscrapers. Look at London.

The issue here is design. If Medallion was drawn to a higher standard of design, then 6 stories wouldn't be too bad. Just look at Hikari and even Market Lofts. Both are about 6-7 stories tall, but actually aren't too bad to look at. Medallion's recent renderings look awful and cheap.

Hopefully a new rendering will be released showing a much more refined and better designed project. Please, please spare us of another stucco monster in the middle of an actual cool, urban neighborhood (4th/Main).
__________________
DTLA Rising
     
     
  #628  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 2:19 PM
RAlossi RAlossi is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,573
Quote:
Originally Posted by fridayinla View Post

It's funny you say that. Seems like every major project proposed for downtown will be completed by 2010, and I too think "man, that's the year!", but 2008 is an important year too. No high-profile projects will be opening then, but so many of the conversion loft projects will open by end of 2007-2008. All those new residents with new retail openings, even in just the Roosevelt and Brockman buildings, will have a big impact on downtown. There's a lot to look forward to in the near future.
When I first started coming Downtown when I went to a college on Beverly and Alvarado -- this was in 2003 -- I kept saying to myself, "Just give it two more years." In 2005, I was still saying that to myself. "Two more years."

But now that I actually live here, I think 2007 has been the pivotal year for DTLA. 2007 has been such a great year for Downtown with so many adaptive reuse buildings opening up, the new market, the crime crackdown on Skid Row, and the announcement of major projects (Park Fifth, etc).

I don't feel like I have to say "Just give it two more years" anymore, because for me, and I think for many "average Angelenos," it's livable as it is now. It can be better, and it will be better, in two more years, but I no longer feel unsafe here or overwhelmed by homeless people asking me for money (i.e., I haven't had multiple people approach me at the same time like used to happen before). Things are going great so far, and the year's only half over!
     
     
  #629  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 2:50 PM
LAMetroGuy's Avatar
LAMetroGuy LAMetroGuy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Long Beach
Posts: 3,148
Very good news, southpark's Fig's Central towers at 575 and 455 will have a nice impact to the skyline. These towers will look nice right next to the 660 foot Ritz Tower!
__________________
Since 1997, SkyscraperPage.com's forum has been one of the most active skyscraper and building enthusiast communities on the Internet.
     
     
  #630  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 4:26 PM
LongBeachUrbanist's Avatar
LongBeachUrbanist LongBeachUrbanist is offline
Ridin' The Metro
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Metro Blue, Wardlow Stop
Posts: 2,578
Quote:
Originally Posted by ladowntowner View Post
I generally agree that deadzone elimination is a good thing. I just lament that the lots/blocks are being underutilized, not living up to their potential and not creating the density I would like to see and that downtown could support and should have.
Today's high land values are based on 'potential' (i.e., speculation), rather than the current reality. The key to sustaining those land values is to make the speculative future real. This will be done by making the Downtown L.A. a desirable location to live, work and shop. That means, in no particular order: (1) a pleasant streetscape, (2) adequate access via transit, car and foot, and (3) no deadzones.

The dense residential neighborhoods of NYC, London, Paris, SF, etc. are not generally filled with high-rises. Mostly they are neighborhoods of mid-rise buildings. The key is that land-use is uniform: there are very few deadzones in the dense residential neighborhoods of Manhattan.

Don't worry about lots being 'used up' or potential being wasted. Rome wasn't built in a day: DTLA is going to take some time. Besides, there are plenty lots in DTLA to develop on. Think the one-story Coffee Bean at 7th/Flower. Or the INS building at 6th/Wilshire.
__________________
COMPLETE THE CENTRAL SUBWAY BY 2020!!!

Last edited by LongBeachUrbanist; Jul 5, 2007 at 4:36 PM.
     
     
  #631  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 6:33 PM
LosAngelesSportsFan's Avatar
LosAngelesSportsFan LosAngelesSportsFan is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 7,891
CurbedLA and BlogDowntown are both reporting that work has started again on Concerto!! Good news!!
     
     
  #632  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 6:36 PM
BrandonJXN's Avatar
BrandonJXN BrandonJXN is offline
Ascension
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Riverside, California
Posts: 5,419
Quote:
Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan View Post
CurbedLA and BlogDowntown are both reporting that work has started again on Concerto!! Good news!!
If this is true, then this is easily the biggest news of the year. Screw Park Fifth. Concerto lives!!!

__________________
Washed Out
     
     
  #633  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 6:41 PM
RAlossi RAlossi is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,573
I'm so confused with this project. Is it still the two-tower project, or was it scaled back to one? Curbed says that it was reborn as the two-tower project again, but I'm not sure.
     
     
  #634  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 6:57 PM
JDRCRASH JDRCRASH is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Gabriel Valley
Posts: 8,098
So has anyone heard from the City House and Olympic Project?
__________________
Revelation 21:4
     
     
  #635  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 7:05 PM
Easy's Avatar
Easy Easy is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,594
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAlossi View Post
I'm so confused with this project. Is it still the two-tower project, or was it scaled back to one? Curbed says that it was reborn as the two-tower project again, but I'm not sure.
I'm going totally off memory, but IIRC it was originally announced that there would be two towers and a smaller building. After ground was broken and the project was delayed there were reports that it would continue, but that one tower was "shelved." There were reports a week or so ago that both towers were back on.
     
     
  #636  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 7:06 PM
Easy's Avatar
Easy Easy is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,594
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDRCRASH View Post
So has anyone heard from the City House and Olympic Project?
Yeah we heard that a new club signed a lease for several years so this one appears to be a long way out if it ever happens at all.
     
     
  #637  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 7:09 PM
citywatch citywatch is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 6,702
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDRCRASH View Post
So has anyone heard from the City House and Olympic Project?
See this post from a few wks ago
     
     
  #638  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 7:11 PM
Sodha Sodha is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 155
Well...I just looked over from my building and I see 2 tractors back on the bottom of the pit in Concerto. I saw a couple of people at the trailer, but that's been common for the last 4 months. We need more people and engines there to see Concerto is really moving along!
     
     
  #639  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 7:14 PM
citywatch citywatch is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 6,702
Quote:
Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan View Post
CurbedLA and BlogDowntown are both reporting that work has started again on Concerto!! Good news!!

Fantastic & finally!!!! With Meurelo's tower on one corner, Astani's on the other, & the soon to open Ralphs on the other, 9th & Flower will be an intersection worth to!
     
     
  #640  
Old Posted Jul 5, 2007, 7:26 PM
fridayinla's Avatar
fridayinla fridayinla is offline
World Citizen
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Amsterdam
Posts: 467
Quote:
Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan View Post
CurbedLA and BlogDowntown are both reporting that work has started again on Concerto!! Good news!!
After reading this news I was onsite within 5 mins with a collegue's cell phone camera. Sorry the quality is so aweful. Here's what I saw on the Concerto site as of 12pm today. No machinery working on site (the dozers in the photos are not operating), just 3 - 5 construction guys walking around the office trailers and a couple surveyors along the Figueroa side of the property. I can't say for sure, but from where I was standing, it looks like the construction guys were preparing some new signage to go up. You know, those "financed by" and "coming soon"-type signs. I couldn't see any details.



     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > City Compilations
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 1:56 AM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.