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[Boreal]

I love how concise everybody on this board is. Truly a group of well-minded individuals representing a number of disciplines. Impressive.

The new and correct information is very satisfying. Those are numbers that are more directly correlated with what I was looking for.

I hope to hear some infrastructure announcements, but beyond that I am pleased. I hope the residents in Point Douglas are given good reason to support this project.

[ForksPlayer]

Apparently POLO PARK is out of the question now, and many believe POINT DOUGLAS is the front runner but I disagree.

The CONVENTION CENTRE has much, much more to work with. Why is it even mentioned? because it has more pull.

ASPER wouldn't be involved in the entire football stadium, just the ownership of the team, as the convention centre and the ASPER ownership ground would have full control of the entire downtown multi purpose facility. They can create more space for the convention centre, meeting rooms, football stadium, restaurants, bars,etc...

It's an absolute dream for the entire downtown revitalization.


plus. IT WOULD BE A DOME.




I do have 2 questions on this proposed dome.

1) On the 2 sided parking lots Carlton looks to be a dead end at the front of the stadium. But what about the buildings on the SE side of the lots-on broadway which is apparently part of the transcanada go figure. I have heard that they are owned by the gov't and they would be demolished.

It would create a beautiful view off broadway wouldn't it?



2) How deep of a hole in the ground would be needed during the first phase of construction?



And another thing, your decreasing the parking population quite a bit as that is a big lot. Any ideas of buildings being knocked down for a lot?

When you have a good view of this location it's very close to MEMORIAL blvd and the legislative building. I see nothing but beautiful views and you can even connect it to the water walk.

Add a tram to the forks,etc.

DOWNTOWN WINNIPEG is a destination hot spot.

[ForksPlayer]

First off, it did go to POINT DOUGLAS it can surely work.


I do like the convention centre spot better just because it would take LONG LONG LONG time for the entire PD location to be developed.

Kind of depressing for BOMBER fans.


------ a few notes on the PD site to correct lots of people.


- the railway which is asigned a MAIN line is not even used. It hasn't been used in like 15 years. Those railroad tracks would be moved. The picture in the paper was wrong anyway the stadiu would go North to South not east to west, as per CFL rules.



-the notion that PD is a prostitue, drug trafficking area is garbage. The exact location where the stadium could be built on is a NO TRAFFIC area. Nobody has access to that area. The boat launch which is very popular would be gone. There are some nice sized lots that are vacant, and at anytime could be demolished.

MAJOR MAJOR sporting facilities have been built in worse areas. Such as-

MINNEAPOLIS- metrodome. Not many know this but that area was so bad it should win a medal for cleaning up that entire downtown spot.

CLEVELAND- The football stadium is built on lakefront property that was viewed as a garbage lot, and extremely unpopular to the locals.

NEW YORK- Yankee stadium was built and still standing in a terrible part of the Bronx. You think PD or St. James is bad, go to the bronx.

DALLAS- You wan't to talk about violance. Where the Dallas Stars and Dallas Mavericks call home is in a area still viewed as a bad area, but not as bad as before. It was so bad construction was delayed. I remember hearing that this area was one of the worst areas in any downtown in the UNITED STATES.


VANCOUVER- Where GM Place stands today is credited for turning the tide in that banged up area. It wasn't much of the area being dangerous and stricken for survival it was just an area that wasn't used for development. Now it's used as an example for the city.



- Water front drive could be extended right to the stadium.


- The disraeili bridge can be extended before MAIN STREET into a 4 lane ramp. It would turn 2 lanes onto the MILT STEGALL drive that takes you right to the STADIUM. The other lanes would extend you onwards to MAIN STREET.



Some drawbacks to that location.


-time. It would take so much time for the entire operation to be complete. It could get depressing during such a time that should be viewed as a proud Winnipeg moment.


-traffic onto louis bridge. It isn't big enough for football game traffic. ACCIDENTS will happen on that silly corner light before the bridge.


-though there are only 5 or 6 homes on that location, people would have to move. This goes into the time location. The city can't right them a letter saying they have 60 days to move. Too much work will go into heritage land garbage, and indian sacred land voodoo.




So Point Douglas location isn't a bad spot, but is this something a football stadium should develop?

Forget the waterpark, hotel, shops, restaurant hype. Won't happen for long, long, long time.

I say build a dome downtown, or keep it at POLO PARK.

[newflyer]

Originally Posted by Geebrr

An eff up of monumental proportions.

Word has it that the stadium will be around 34k and expandable to 43k for the Grey Cup.

43k is much too small for todays Grey Cup...

It will be expandable to beyond 50k I am sure.

[ILYR]

Originally Posted by ForksPlayer

But what about the buildings on the SE side of the lots-on broadway which is apparently part of the transcanada go figure. I have heard that they are owned by the gov't and they would be demolished.

I would be very surprised if they demolished those buildings, but who knows. The site is too small for a stadium without demolishing two perfectly good buildings. The demolition cost would also be high and you would have to move all the people that are in those buildings. That it self would take at least a year.

[newflyer]

Originally Posted by ILYR

I would be very surprised if they demolished those buildings, but who knows. The site is too small for a stadium without demolishing two perfectly good buildings. The demolition cost would also be high and you would have to move all the people that are in those buildings. That it self would take at least a year.

Interesting picture overlays, but I figure the location of a stadium at the Convention Centre will be one block futher west, over what stand a number of government buildings and half of the convention centre.

This site will not be choosen though, due to the high costs of clearing this site.

It should also be noted that it won't be a dome design, because of a contractual pact which was signed by Winnipeg Council which stated no indoor sports facility beyond ~5000 people could be built without the agreement of True North Management. So it will most likely be an outdoor facility.

[rgalston]

We'll see... we'll see...

[rgalston]

The meeting between Point Douglas Residents and David Asper went well this afternoon. I'm glad I went, as he cleared up some things.

I would love to spill all the beans (the PD proposal is massively ambitious, and I am cautiously optimistic that it would benefit the neighborhood and the city), but I can't for now. Announcement should come soon.

[viperred88]

I thought the agreement with true north was about not having any competing ice rink that does concerts and hockey.

I am sure they are aloud to build a dome or rectrable if it only consist of football and exhibition space. which does not compete with true norths buisiness.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by rgalston

The meeting between Point Douglas Residents and David Asper went well this afternoon. I'm glad it went, as he cleared up some things.

The Free Press owes a huge apology to the residents of Grace Street, the residents of Point Douglas as a whole, and to David Asper.

when was this? and where was it?

[viperred88]

I wish I was at the meeting but I had familly day.

[rgalston]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

when was this? and where was it?

4:00pm at 881 Main. Went for about an hour and a half.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by rgalston

4:00pm at 881 Main. Went for about an hour and a half.

was this a residetns comity meeting or what was this cause 6:30 tonight was the first i had herd of any such meeting

[ForksPlayer]

Nice overlays!

NO! The agreement is with the MTS Centre, Winnipeg Convention Centre. The MTS Centre has the agreement with the Convention Centre regarding trade shows,etc.

The agreement was so that the ownership of the Blue Bombers couldn't have an indoor football stadium. EXAMPLE - CanadInn proposal.

But the reason why the Convention Centre is in the running now is because it would be partnered with the Convention Centre, as Asper got a good deal with the city, feds, and convention centre.

The stadium at this site will be 100% indoors

[Geebrr]

Originally Posted by newflyer

43k is much too small for todays Grey Cup...

It will be expandable to beyond 50k I am sure.

It is small, however if it was in the 45k range I wouldn't complain about it. I think 45k is enough to make everyone happy.

[ForksPlayer]

I don't think there was a meeting! What would ASPER say? uh, were planning on bringing down some buildings and buildingd a stadium.

Residents have no say in this what soever except for the 4 or 5 homes that would be demolished.

Most of them are businesses, and vacant buildings, or lots.


Homes that are 1 block away have ZERO say. They should be glad something like this would ever come to the area considering the other possibilities, like what has gone on in the area for decades.

[ForksPlayer]

some of these pics show how massive a stadium could be on the exact same size land or even a tad smaller. The dimensions apparently would be a tad bigger than this stadium.


enjoy



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[Greco Roman]

Like I've said before; I'm all for a dome, however if we sacrifice seating capacity, I say the hell with it. I'll take a larger seating capacity over a dome anyday.

Let's make sure we do this right and not screw it up like they did the MTS Centre.

[j.online]

Originally Posted by rgalston

The meeting between Point Douglas Residents and David Asper went well this afternoon. I'm glad I went, as he cleared up some things.

I would love to spill all the beans (the PD proposal is massively ambitious, and I am cautiously optimistic that it would benefit the neighborhood and the city), but I can't for now. Announcement should come soon.

holy shit. RG, you're actually optimistic with a 30+ stadium being built blocks from you in the revered PD?! Did Asper hand out gold laced proposals at this meeting or what?!

[drew]

Domes are like, so 1980's.

I really hope the new stadium isn't a dome. I makes no sense in my mind to have a facility that will require heating and cooling nearly 360 days of the year for maybe a maximum of a couple dozen events.

Provide some sort of shelter in terms of a roof or canopy for the spectators to protect them from direct rain, snow etc., but keep it open.