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Here's a list of Austin metro surrounding counties.

• Burnet County: 52,507 to 53,991 | +1,424 | +2.71%
• Blanco County: 12,411 to 13,048 | +637 | +5.13%
• Fayette County: 24,934 to 25,474 | +540 | +2.17%
• Lee County: 17,971 to 18,240 | +269 | +1.5%
• Milam County: 25,622 to 25,951 | +329 | +1.28%

Looks like the Austin area is have a big impact on growth outside the region.
Not a whole lot, but combined their populations are pushing 150K, and the fact they're growing is a positive sign. A lot of rural counties outside a major city's metro are losing population.

I'm still shocked Austin still only has the same five counties in it's MSA, and no CSA. We'll see if that changes in 2030.
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EDIT: I read an article saying Austin's streak as the fastest growing large Metro was broken. But it didn't say which Metro came out on top. I don't have time to do all the math stuff right now to figure it out.
Maybe it was this story from KVUE?

Austin slips from spot as No. 1 fastest-growing large metro area, census data shows - Austin had been No. 1 for 12 years.

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New census data shows that the Austin metro area is no longer the fastest-growing region of its size in the country.

For 12 years, data consistently showed the Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) was the nation's fastest-growing large metro area. Now, it's down several spots with the Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington MSA taking its place.
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Yall calm down. We literally were in the top for over 12 years! it's ok if we slow down!
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New census data shows that the Austin metro area is no longer the fastest-growing region of its size in the country.

For 12 years, data consistently showed the Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) was the nation's fastest-growing large metro area. Now, it's down several spots with the Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington MSA taking its place."
That article is incorrect. It's conflating growth rate with numerical increase. Dallas typically has the greatest increase in population while Austin has the fastest growth rate among metros of 1M or more. That is a common mistake journalists make every time the census estimates are released.
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It did indicate Austin and Travis County are declining in population which baffles the mind considering all the new residential units being built around the city. While I don't mind a slowdown. It seems it's still too expensive to live here regardless of increasing housing.
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It did indicate Austin and Travis County are declining in population which baffles the mind considering all the new residential units being built around the city. While I don't mind a slowdown. It seems it's still too expensive to live here regardless of increasing housing.
Travis is not declining in population - it's still growing. I think you mean the growth rate is slowing from previous years.
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True, but I believe that it is primarly due to household size, which is a phenomenon occurring in urban areas all across the US. You can see signs of it with AISD's shrinking student population.

Houses where a family of four used to live now has an elderly widow living alone, or a childless couple. Families with kids are leaving Austin, and Travis County to live in Kyle, Leander, and Georgetown.

You may disagree, but the perception is lower COL, better schools, less crime, cleaner, etc.
yeah, I know, that's why I mentioned household composition. Though I've got to wonder how much of that is still ongoing vs. how much is already baked in over the past decades. AISD attendance is somewhat more complicated by the rise in charter schools.

Anecdotally in my neighborhood it's actually reversed a bit. Elderly original owners are finally moving on, with younger couples (+kids) taking their place.
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I stuck the 2024 census release Metro estimates into a spreadsheet to come up with the YOY fastest growing large Metros (1M+). Austin was number one in every release from 2011 to 2023. But Austin was dethroned by Jacksonville in the 2024 release.

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Suburbs are the stars of the 'Austin' population boom
Williamson County remains the king of growth, raking in five of every 10 new residents

By Bob Sechler and Colin Pope – Austin Business Journal
Mar 15, 2024

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n...opulation.html

About eight out of every 10 people added to the Austin metro during a recent 12-month period settled outside of Travis County — which roughly mirrors the Austin city limits. Travis County added an estimated 7,400 new residents in the second half of 2022 and the first half of 2023, which is not far off of what Oklahoma City can expect for annual population growth these days.

It's perhaps a sobering comparison for many Austinites and especially Texas Longhorn fans, but a deeper dig into the latest U.S. Census Bureau data reveals what may be a more disturbing fact: More people are moving away from Travis County than to it. If it wasn't for babies, Travis County would be shrinking.

Travis was the only county in the metro to have negative net migration. About 2,400 more people moved out of Travis County in 2023 than moved into it, a figure offset by a natural increase of nearly 10,000. Some will blame the city's inability to bring its zoning standards to a big-city level — affordable housing options are scarce and many are looking to the suburbs for a lower cost of living — although recent gains have been made for developers who want to make room for additional people.

The fact of the matter is, when most people move to "Austin" that usually means a suburb of Austin. In Williamson County, for example, almost 82% of the population gain was the result of positive net migration.

The suburbs — that's where the action is. When they're taken into account, the five-county metro added more than 50,000 people between July 2022 and July 2023 — a 2% increase that brought the Austin area population to 2.47 million. That makes Austin the 26th-largest metro in the United States, according to the city. Before the pandemic, the Austin metro was No. 33.

Driving the majority of the metro's growth are cities north of Austin in Williamson County — Georgetown, Round Rock, Cedar Park and others.

Nearly 67% — one out of three — of the metro's total population increase was attributable to positive net migration, or people moving into the area, rather than to a natural increase from births, according to the data. That means an average of 91 people moved to the Austin metro each day during the 12 months studied. That's down from 110 daily newcomers in 2014.

About a third of the newcomers moved here from international locations, according to the Census data. The rest of the transplants came from other areas of the United States, including other areas of Texas.

“Historically, the Austin metro area receives about 50% of domestic migrants from other parts of Texas and about 20% from out of state. When we receive additional data on migration flows, we’ll have a better understanding of the number and origins of domestic migrants to the Austin metro area,” Austin Demographer Lila Valencia said in an announcement.

The Austin area broke a 12-year streak as the fastest growing large metro area in the country, according to that same announcement.

Williamson County far and away drove the metro's growth as usual, gaining a total of almost 25,000 people last year. In other words, for every 10 new residents in the metro, five were in the county just north of Austin that has been on a tear in terms of economic development in recent years. The huge new Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. chip plant is that economy's latest centerpiece.

Southwest of Austin, Hays County has been experiencing big population gains as well, driven by factors such as Tesla Inc.'s growing impact on the suburbs. Hays added more than 11,000 people in a year, accounting for about 23% of the region's new residents. That bested Travis County's share of 15% of the metro's new residents. Bastrop County's population increased by about 4,400, for close to 9% of the growth, while Caldwell County's climbed by about 2,000, accounting for 4% of the growth.

Overall, the Austin metro ranked seventh among U.S. metros, in terms of population gains over that time.

The Dallas and Houston metros were No. 1 and No. 2. The Dallas metro, which includes Fort Worth, added about 152,600 people, bringing its total population to about 8.1 million, and the Houston metro added about 140,000, bringing its total population to about 7.5 million.

The San Antonio metro, which includes New Braunfels, ranked ninth nationally. It grew by about 48,000 residents over the one-year period, for a total population of about 2.7 million.

Our partners at KXAN New have several graphics illustrating Texas' and Central Texas' growth in this story.

Austin city officials said the new Census data is crucial in determining how the federal government proportionately distributes billions of dollars in grants and program funding for social services, community development, and the construction of schools, roads, and hospitals. Data from the Census also play a central role in redrawing boundaries for representative districts for the U.S. Congress, Texas Legislature and Austin City Council districts.

According to the city of Austin's announcement: "The slower growth rate in the region can be attributed to historically low domestic migration. Domestic migration (migrants moving into the metro area from other parts of Texas and other U.S. states) is the lowest it has been in the past decade. Even though international migration was the highest it has been in more than 10 years and natural increase remained relatively consistent, the declines in domestic migration resulted in a slower growth rate for the Austin metro area."
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Case and point:

Chicago: 2.67 million (est. 2022)
Chicago CSA: 9.81 million (est. 2022)

Phoenix: 1.62 million (est. 2021)
Phoenix Metro: 4.8 million (est. 2020)

Houston: 2.3 million (est. 2022)
Houston Metro: 7.3 million (2020)

Austin is still a substantially higher percentage of the metro as a whole. I think we're around 964,000 with a metro of around 2.4 million? That around 40% right there. Others are 30% or less. I don't know what normal is - not gonna do that research.

All said, Austin still needs to improve a lot of things - affordable housing being a primary factor that is likely correlated to young families...which in turn impacts schools, etc. Obviously there are so many other factors.
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The TX Leg effectively stopped cities from annexing unincorporated areas in their ETJ in 2018. That is significantly affecting Austin'c city Vs Metro population.
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^^ Good point.
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There's no way to verify this. But had the Leg not changed the annexation rules and things were left BAU, I would guess that Austin's population would now be over 1.1 million instead of ~970K.
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What gets me though is Travis County barely growing, and having negative net domestic migration.

We can talk about the city issues, but there is more to Travis County than the city proper. Western Travis is still very desirable for many people, and places in Eastern Travis like Pflugerville and Manor had been rapidly growing in previous years.

I am very interested to see the 2023 city estimates. With all of Travis gaining less than 8K, the city may have essentially been stagnant, or it's almost unfathomable, but lost population.

That would not be a good look, but the city has had a lot of bad publicity the last few years. The perception amongst many, true or not, is that Austin is a dangerous, crime-riddled city overrun with filthy homeless encampments. Oh, and ridiculously expensive as well.

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The question then becomes is this just a short blip or are we going to continue this trend? Also I guess that means we have more units now than people moving in so will prices continue to drop?
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I personally hope that the housing costs continue to drop. The housing cost increases rose drastically while wages have essentially remained stagnant. Add in the cost of food rising, along with pretty much everything else, many people have noticably less disposable income than a few years ago.
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There is anecdotal evidence of downtown Apt. towers offering 10% rent reductions for anyone renewing their lease. I'm sure downtown rents will continue dropping as the new towers come online and demand decreases.
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Suburbs are the stars of the 'Austin' population boom
Williamson County remains the king of growth, raking in five of every 10 new residents

By Bob Sechler and Colin Pope – Austin Business Journal
Mar 15, 2024

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n...opulation.html

About eight out of every 10 people added to the Austin metro during a recent 12-month period settled outside of Travis County — which roughly mirrors the Austin city limits. Travis County added an estimated 7,400 new residents in the second half of 2022 and the first half of 2023, which is not far off of what Oklahoma City can expect for annual population growth these days.

It's perhaps a sobering comparison for many Austinites and especially Texas Longhorn fans, but a deeper dig into the latest U.S. Census Bureau data reveals what may be a more disturbing fact: More people are moving away from Travis County than to it. If it wasn't for babies, Travis County would be shrinking.

Travis was the only county in the metro to have negative net migration. About 2,400 more people moved out of Travis County in 2023 than moved into it, a figure offset by a natural increase of nearly 10,000. Some will blame the city's inability to bring its zoning standards to a big-city level — affordable housing options are scarce and many are looking to the suburbs for a lower cost of living — although recent gains have been made for developers who want to make room for additional people.

The fact of the matter is, when most people move to "Austin" that usually means a suburb of Austin. In Williamson County, for example, almost 82% of the population gain was the result of positive net migration.

The suburbs — that's where the action is. When they're taken into account, the five-county metro added more than 50,000 people between July 2022 and July 2023 — a 2% increase that brought the Austin area population to 2.47 million. That makes Austin the 26th-largest metro in the United States, according to the city. Before the pandemic, the Austin metro was No. 33.

Driving the majority of the metro's growth are cities north of Austin in Williamson County — Georgetown, Round Rock, Cedar Park and others.

Nearly 67% — one out of three — of the metro's total population increase was attributable to positive net migration, or people moving into the area, rather than to a natural increase from births, according to the data. That means an average of 91 people moved to the Austin metro each day during the 12 months studied. That's down from 110 daily newcomers in 2014.

About a third of the newcomers moved here from international locations, according to the Census data. The rest of the transplants came from other areas of the United States, including other areas of Texas.

“Historically, the Austin metro area receives about 50% of domestic migrants from other parts of Texas and about 20% from out of state. When we receive additional data on migration flows, we’ll have a better understanding of the number and origins of domestic migrants to the Austin metro area,” Austin Demographer Lila Valencia said in an announcement.

The Austin area broke a 12-year streak as the fastest growing large metro area in the country, according to that same announcement.

Williamson County far and away drove the metro's growth as usual, gaining a total of almost 25,000 people last year. In other words, for every 10 new residents in the metro, five were in the county just north of Austin that has been on a tear in terms of economic development in recent years. The huge new Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. chip plant is that economy's latest centerpiece.

Southwest of Austin, Hays County has been experiencing big population gains as well, driven by factors such as Tesla Inc.'s growing impact on the suburbs. Hays added more than 11,000 people in a year, accounting for about 23% of the region's new residents. That bested Travis County's share of 15% of the metro's new residents. Bastrop County's population increased by about 4,400, for close to 9% of the growth, while Caldwell County's climbed by about 2,000, accounting for 4% of the growth.

Overall, the Austin metro ranked seventh among U.S. metros, in terms of population gains over that time.

The Dallas and Houston metros were No. 1 and No. 2. The Dallas metro, which includes Fort Worth, added about 152,600 people, bringing its total population to about 8.1 million, and the Houston metro added about 140,000, bringing its total population to about 7.5 million.

The San Antonio metro, which includes New Braunfels, ranked ninth nationally. It grew by about 48,000 residents over the one-year period, for a total population of about 2.7 million.

Our partners at KXAN New have several graphics illustrating Texas' and Central Texas' growth in this story.

Austin city officials said the new Census data is crucial in determining how the federal government proportionately distributes billions of dollars in grants and program funding for social services, community development, and the construction of schools, roads, and hospitals. Data from the Census also play a central role in redrawing boundaries for representative districts for the U.S. Congress, Texas Legislature and Austin City Council districts.

According to the city of Austin's announcement: "The slower growth rate in the region can be attributed to historically low domestic migration. Domestic migration (migrants moving into the metro area from other parts of Texas and other U.S. states) is the lowest it has been in the past decade. Even though international migration was the highest it has been in more than 10 years and natural increase remained relatively consistent, the declines in domestic migration resulted in a slower growth rate for the Austin metro area."

One of the more poorly written, fact twisting (ignorant), fear-mongering articles I've read in a while. I guess that is the norm for the Biz Journal these days.
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One of the more poorly written, fact twisting (ignorant), fear-mongering articles I've read in a while. I guess that is the norm for the Biz Journal these days.
Out of curiosity can you point out what fact twisting your referring to in the article?
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Before the pandemic, the Austin metro was No. 33.
They must be thinking of way back in the 2010 census or something.

The 2019 estimates had us at 29th

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