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Old Posted Dec 28, 2012, 5:21 AM
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Mini Update on the LA Boom:

Courtyard Marriott



It was good seeing workers working on the building. There were several dozen working on each floor, a ton of activity.

8th & Hope



Wilshire Grand



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Grand Avenue Rental Tower, this afternoon. I think we can move it to the "under construction," section.

     
     
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Thanks for the updates guys. Next year is looking very busy!
     
     
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Thanks for the updates guys. Next year is looking very busy!
9th and Olive will be joining the updates soon enough. It's going to be much easier covering the Broad and it's rental tower since they're right next door. Maybe one day I will run into Blackcat
     
     
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Thanks for the updates guys. Next year is looking very busy!
Busier. Still nothing compared to 2006.
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Busier. Still nothing compared to 2006.
True. Right now we simply have a healthy amount of development. Give me a couple 500ft+ and then we'll have an actual boom.
     
     
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What's with this boy's clubs always hiring SOM?

THe biggest problem with the building is that it's elevated. There's no street interaction and a lawn that pushes the pedestrian closer to the traffic. Avoiding this should be basic. Haven't we gotten past this yet?
     
     
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What's with this boy's clubs always hiring SOM?

THe biggest problem with the building is that it's elevated. There's no street interaction and a lawn that pushes the pedestrian closer to the traffic. Avoiding this should be basic. Haven't we gotten past this yet?
#1 SOM is one of the best in the business, so no one should be complaining about the design yet before its finished. #2 The court house probably has to be away from the sidewalk for security reasons. SOM knows security better than anyone being that they did the US Embassy in Beijing.
     
     
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I agree. SOM is no slouch, period. Their design for this project may have been the least exiting of the bunch, it shows that they had a clearer understanding of how to meet the project objectives and work within the project budget limitations. And aside from a very small handful of exceptions, they have an excellent record of delivering against the promise of their renderings.

I would have loved to have two of the other proposals chosen (which I admittedly prefer heavily over SOM), but the reality of the situation is most likely that we would have ended up with a value-engineered version that left us sorely disappointed.

Having worked in film and advertising for 15 years, where creative vision and ambitions almost always exceed available budgets, I can empathize with SOM and the people on the committee who had to select the proposal. There's an art and science to achieving project objectives and creating something artful, and I would have more trust in SOM in delivering than most firms.
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^ you make a very good argument for the selection of SOM, or why, if they were a compromise, no other choice was as reasonable or realistic.

I'm disappointed more than I'd otherwise be cuz the proj was delayed for so long. if plans for the courthouse had stuck to the original time schedule, then my patience wouldn't have been tested & my expectations wouldn't have been raised that much higher. but what's done is done, & now the only other will be if the date of groundbreaking is, once again, pushed forward, as it has been for over 5 yrs.

meanwhile, across the street.....

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Diavolo Dance Theater dancers perform at the 1960s-era Arthur J. Will Memorial Fountain at Grand Park
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By Mike Boehm, Los Angeles Times
December 29, 2012

"There's no there there" is how Gertrude Stein famously summed up and put down Oakland, her old hometown. For the Music Center, which manages much of the prime cultural real estate in downtown Los Angeles, the problem has long been the opposite: There's too much "there" there. To the public, by and large, the glamorous hilltop place known as the Music Center overshadows the identically named but ill-defined organization that's been in charge of venue logistics since it opened as the city's performing arts hub 48 years ago.

The glory at Walt Disney Concert Hall, the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion, the Mark Taper Forum, the Ahmanson Theatre and REDCAT accrues mainly to the impresarios who put on the shows. The Music Center generally plays impresario only for a dance series of about two dozen performances each season. It also orchestrates a $3.9-million-a-year youth arts education program that's vital but less high-profile.

For the most part, the Music Center plays landlord. After the applause dies down, it provides the ushers and security staff for a safe and orderly exit, then sends in the cleanup crew. But now its shot at greater acclaim is at hand. In May, the county Board of Supervisors put the Music Center in charge of running the new Grand Park, which stretches downhill for four city blocks from the Music Center's own doorstep to City Hall's.

If the 12-acre park teems with cultural attractions and other forms of fun, chances are that it will redound to the Music Center's glory. What's more, civic leaders hope success at the park will kick-start efforts to spruce up the Music Center itself and further improve the whole cultural hub.

Two recent...hires will help determine how things go in Grand Park. Lucas Rivera, the park director in charge of daily operations, is a veteran arts manager from Philadelphia, and Thor Steingraber, the Music Center's vice president in charge of programming, will orchestrate park events while also trying to come up with innovative uses for the Music Center's traditional venues. To introduce the park, Steingraber said, everything will be free through June. Ticketed events will come after that, but he says they will be the exception rather than the rule.

From late July through November, Grand Park hosted about 40 events. Some were bids for a mass audience, such as a Dia de los Muertos celebration that drew a crowd estimated at more than 4,000 people, while others aimed to grab passers-by. On Jan. 20, Grand Park will continue a "Park Your Politics" series that began on Election Day with video screens carrying news coverage of the returns. People who want the buzz of being part of a crowd for Barack Obama's second inauguration will be able to find it in front of a huge screen on the upper quadrant of Grand Park.

Over the summer, members of the Music Center's board donated $500,000 to create a fund for new programming initiatives that includes the park; this month, the San Francisco-based James Irvine Foundation granted the Music Center $500,000 over three years for Grand Park programs. Chairing the Music Center's board is Kent Kresa, a former longtime Northrop Grumman Corp. chief. Fundraising "is just in its formative stages," he says, but he's hopeful. "People are excited to get in on the ground floor of a new program that reaches a diverse audience."

Considered from the supervisors' suite in the Hall of Administration that borders it, Grand Park turns into a cog in a larger strategy that could bring more splendor to a growing downtown. "Part of why I'm excited and hopeful … is that it's potentially catalytic," says Chairman Mark Ridley-Thomas. Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, long the board's most vocal arts advocate, lays out a vision in which a booming cultural park could be an extremely valuable political chip.

The stakes include two major improvements: $300 million for a long-deferred renovation and backstage expansion of the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion and a reconfiguration of the Music Center's plaza that was drawn up in 2001 and left undone, and the potentially transformative leveling of two government buildings — the Hall of Administration and the Stanley Mosk Courthouse. Moving their functions elsewhere would clear the way for an expanded Grand Park, with an eye-pleasing view of the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels to the north.

It probably won't be possible, Yaroslavsky says, without a change in state law to allow cultural bond issues to pass with 55% of the vote rather than the currently prohibitive two-thirds requirement. Success would also depend, he says, on high-rolling philanthropists stepping up to cover half the cost of the Music Center improvements.

Ridley-Thomas says he'll soon call for formal planning, focused on whether and how to proceed. Yaroslavsky, who'll leave the board after 2014 because of term limits, says one of his priorities for his last years in office is to get the Music Center renovations and Civic Center transformation "out of the starter's gate."
     
     
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#1 SOM is one of the best in the business, so no one should be complaining about the design yet before its finished. #2 The court house probably has to be away from the sidewalk for security reasons. SOM knows security better than anyone being that they did the US Embassy in Beijing.
SOM is anything but the best when it comes to projects in LA. Time and time again they show they lack understanding of LA's urban environment. It's inhospitable to pedestrian activity. LA keeps allowing "exceptions," which aren't really exceptions because it's a problem with almost every downtown project. And LA can't keep making these exceptions as if it's not going to effect the rest of downtown's success. It's already making too many with almost every project that gets approved. And if projects get criticized, they should be done during the design process, not when it's finished and everyone just has to live with the mistake.

If it's for security reasons, they're making the same mistakes that led to their redesign failure of the World Trade Center site, except this seems a much easier fix .
     
     
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Busier. Still nothing compared to 2006.
You think? I think that there's more under construction now. What was happening in 2006? The LA Live hotel hadn't yet broken ground. Neither had Concerto/Apex. Probably Hanover, Elleven, a bunch of adaptive reuses, and one of the Palmer developments.

Lorenzo and "Angelena" alone will have over 1,600 units. Add Avant (400+), One Santa Fe (400+), 8th/Hope (300), Davinci (600), Onni (300), the Grand (270), Ava (270) and we're looking at over 4,000 units under construction simultaneously. That may be more than was built new for the entire decade, much less just one year And there will likely be more that start considering how many properties are entitled and waiting for funding.
     
     
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You think? I think that there's more under construction now. What was happening in 2006? The LA Live hotel hadn't yet broken ground. Neither had Concerto/Apex. Probably Hanover, Elleven, a bunch of adaptive reuses, and one of the Palmer developments.

Lorenzo and "Angelena" alone will have over 1,600 units. Add Avant (400+), One Santa Fe (400+), 8th/Hope (300), Davinci (600), Onni (300), the Grand (270), Ava (270) and we're looking at over 4,000 units under construction simultaneously. That may be more than was built new for the entire decade, much less just one year And there will likely be more that start considering how many properties are entitled and waiting for funding.
There's also the Courtyard Marriott / Residence Inn and of course Wilshire Grand (although the new tower wont begin construction for a while). And then the Ace Hotel, other adaptive reuse projects, Spring Street park... and soon the streetcar.
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2006 probably just seemed like a boom given that there had been no substantial office or residential development in downtown the previous decade and a half.
     
     
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Whoever said 2006 must have meant 2008. In 2008, there were 5 cranes in South Park alone; Watermarke, 717 Olympic, Concerto, Evo and Ritz/JW Marriott. That was just South Park, while simultaneously, the Brockman, Roosevelt, El Dorado, Judson, Sakura Crossing, Bank Lofts, SB Buildings (multiple), etc.... we're under renovation. 2008 was the last peak.

To each is to their own. 2013 will be exciting because there will be cranes in South Park, Bunker Hill Little Tokyo and Financial District.

Also, not to burst the happiness bubble, but no EIR has been done for the streetcar.....so no construction can start until mid 2014 at earliest once the EIR is certified and a matching federal funding grant has been secured. I think 2016 for construction and opening in 2018 in realistic/practical terms. Sorry.
     
     
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^ I said 2006. No, 2008 wasn't a full-fledged boom either. Look at what was going on in Chicago in 2006. That was a boom.
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2006 and 2008 had a lot of projects on the board so it def felt like a boom. Most of the projects, however, never saw a shovel. I think we may be experiencing more of a boom now than ever before, but that's just opinion. I do think more adaptive reuse projects and new construction are actually moving now.
     
     
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2006 and 2008 had a lot of projects on the board so it def felt like a boom. Most of the projects, however, never saw a shovel. I think we may be experiencing more of a boom now than ever before, but that's just opinion. I do think more adaptive reuse projects and new construction are actually moving now.
Exactly. Last decade any new project that was announced came with a healthy dose of skepticism because so many never made it to groundbreaking. By far the majority really. Anyone remember the Glass Tower who's groundbreaking was imminent in every DTLA News quarterly update for about 4 years? The same with Metropolis. And Titan, Park Fifth, the Burger King Tower, Grand Avenue, the skinny Asian-one-who's-name-I-forget, etc.

And the thing was that LA was really behind the curve on the last urban boom cycle, especially with downtown gentrification in it's infancy. It kind of passed us by for a few years. And then when it did start building momentum, the economy went bust. Remember that the Moinian development right across from Staples came so close to breaking ground that they put up construction fencing? Then crash!

On this boom cycle, LA almost appears to be ahead of the national curve and perhaps that's partly to do with LA missing out last decade. You add in what's happening on La Brea, in Koreatown, Santa Monica, etc and LA is booming in an urban fashion that is perhaps unprecedented. There's large and small infill all over. And then you hear that there's much more in the pipeline and just WOW! Projects like 9900 Wilshire are back and new ones are announced seemingly every week. This is a great time to be an urban enthusiast in LA!
     
     
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And don't forget many of those projects already set approved like my favs: Park Tower, Park 5TH, The kurtzman, FIDM, LA Central, Metropolis, the "Asian" one was called Zen btw. These projects are just awaiting funding to start, as with 8th & Hope's case new developers are always on the horizon its just a matter of who has the foresight to fund. Definitely like that we are getting more infill. B4 no time you will see higher proposals ( 35 stories +) just like what happened in 2005 & 06 its just this time around this boom started in our downtime (recession) with a trickle yet it was more grounded in reality unlike pie-in-the sky like 06 & the momentum feels more genuine as it increases.

I predict DTLA will see 1 of its best boom cycles since previous decades happening between 2013-15! There will be a day when we won't even blink twice when new 50+ story proposals are announced, pretty much the way we act now with 20+ story ones. We are just now hitting the tip of the tip of the iceberg!!
     
     
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And don't forget many of those projects already set approved like my favs: Park Tower, Park 5TH, The kurtzman, FIDM, LA Central, Metropolis, the "Asian" one was called Zen btw. These projects are just awaiting funding to start, as with 8th & Hope's case new developers are always on the horizon its just a matter of who has the foresight to fund. Definitely like that we are getting more infill. B4 no time you will see higher proposals ( 35 stories +) just like what happened in 2005 & 06 its just this time around this boom started in our downtime (recession) with a trickle yet it was more grounded in reality unlike pie-in-the sky like 06 & the momentum feels more genuine as it increases.

I predict DTLA will see 1 of its best boom cycles since previous decades happening between 2013-15! There will be a day when we won't even blink twice when new 50+ story proposals are announced, pretty much the way we act now with 20+ story ones. We are just now hitting the tip of the tip of the iceberg!!
Zen! Yes, that's the one. Thanks.

I wouldn't count on all of those old projects ever seeing the light of day as originally proposed. I'm not even sure all of them were even approved. Zen and Kurtzman for example. And if they significantly change them, then they might need to start the approval all over. For example if LA Central has more hotel than residential, wouldn't they have to start over?
     
     
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