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Old Posted Nov 22, 2023, 6:44 PM
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The Duncan arena site is owned by the same people doing the bend (the black metal cladding thing). They were developing both properties IIRC.

There is also a small sliver of property along Waterfront next to the Duncan site. Anything happening with that?
The sliver adjacent to the sportsplex and parking lot in addition to the rail spur right of way were amalgamated and parceled together. CV sold it to RNDSQR the developers of The Bend. The hope is they will develop this parcel imminently. I am unsure if it has actually been sold or if they have an option to purchase. They are deserving of the site and we hope something happens.

The green space to the north is now an orphaned parcel which should be amalgamated with the balance of the building on Duncan George Waterfront.

Owned by the Thiesen Family.
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The sliver adjacent to the sportsplex and parking lot in addition to the rail spur right of way were amalgamated and parceled together. CV sold it to RNDSQR the developers of The Bend. The hope is they will develop this parcel imminently. I am unsure if it has actually been sold or if they have an option to purchase. They are deserving of the site and we hope something happens.

The green space to the north is now an orphaned parcel which should be amalgamated with the balance of the building on Duncan George Waterfront.

Owned by the Thiesen Family.
As an interesting (I think) historical side note, the parking lot beside the orphaned green space was just outside of the walls of HBC's Fort Douglas. After the battle of Seven Oaks, the bodies of the dead HBCers were buried their. They found the bodies when digging the foundation of a house (now long gone) that was built there in the 1890s.
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As an interesting (I think) historical side note, the parking lot beside the orphaned green space was just outside of the walls of HBC's Fort Douglas. After the battle of Seven Oaks, the bodies of the dead HBCers were buried their. They found the bodies when digging the foundation of a house (now long gone) that was built there in the 1890s.
remember rgalston diging that up in the freepress archives a decade ago see if i can find the artical he posted was very tiny snipit
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As an interesting (I think) historical side note, the parking lot beside the orphaned green space was just outside of the walls of HBC's Fort Douglas. After the battle of Seven Oaks, the bodies of the dead HBCers were buried their. They found the bodies when digging the foundation of a house (now long gone) that was built there in the 1890s.
Sounds like a good use for that green space, dedicate it as a historical site with a nice cairn or statuary garden.
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The mayor's motion for the HAF application just passed! 10-3!
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The mayor's motion for the HAF application just passed! 10-3!
Great news, although I haven't seen anything in the news about this just yet.
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Great news, although I haven't seen anything in the news about this just yet.
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/br...g-housing-cash

Article in Free Press just came out

Winnipeg agrees to Ottawa’s rules in attempt to snag housing cash
Joyanne Pursaga
By: Joyanne Pursaga
Posted: 8:24 PM CST Thursday, Nov. 23, 2023

Winnipeg city council has approved major and controversial zoning changes in hopes of claiming nearly $200 million in federal housing cash.

The decision followed impassioned debate on Thursday. Supporters stressed the changes are needed to trigger more housing development, while critics argued they will reduce public input on projects (since many will no longer require public hearings), while also putting at risk green space, trees and neighbourhood amenities.

Mayor Scott Gillingham stressed the zoning changes mark critical steps to ensuring the city can leverage federal housing funds, which he expects would trigger additional private investment.

“It’s very important… This federal funding would be multiplied many times over to build much-needed housing,” said Gillingham.

The federal government was accused of forcing the city to make the changes. At one point, Coun. Russ Wyatt accused the senior government of “political extortion” for asking Winnipeg to “bolster” its funding application by making the significant zoning changes, though he later withdrew the comment.

The city hopes granting a federal request to end “exclusionary zoning practices,” as part of Winnipeg’s $192-million application to the Housing Accelerator Fund will ensure the addition of 5,277 local housing units by September 2026, including 1,342 affordable units.

The changes will:

— Legalize the construction of up to four housing units on a single lot “as-of-right” citywide;

— Legalize buildings of up to four-storeys “as-of-right” at any site within 800 metres of frequent transit corridors;

— Ensure new mid-rise housing targeted for mall sites and commercial corridors is allowed “as-of-right.”

(“As-of-right” means such developments would be permitted, removing the current requirement to have a zoning or variance application approved by a city committee and complete a public hearing.)

During Thursday’s council meeting, supporters said the changes are desperately needed.

“Exclusionary zoning has been a nightmare for affordability and growing the rental housing stock and has prevented incremental infill intensification and adaptation to changing needs,” said Dylon Martin of Yes in My Backyard Winnipeg, a pro-infill group.

By contrast, another delegate said the changes could have a negative impact on current homeowners.

“Mature trees are going to be demolished and it will ruin the life amenities of the neighbours, it will ruin the character of the neighbourhood. It will pack four times the number of people and vehicles and garbage bins and recycling bins and recreational vehicles and noise and sewage into areas that were not designed for it,” said Judith Blair.

Federal Housing Minister Sean Fraser’s office previously responded to criticism of the zoning requests by saying major changes are needed to solve a national housing crisis.

The mayor said any concerns about how and where denser residential buildings are added could be addressed through limits added to the rules in the future. On Thursday, council approved some amendments to spell out a few of those details.

One clause will limit four-storey buildings to be permitted near transit to be no more than 48 feet tall with four housing units.

However, other parameters were vague, such as a requirement for a minimum “standard lot size” to be set for four-unit housing projects, with actual dimensions yet to be determined.

Coun. Brian Mayes said such parameters fall short of setting clear standards.

“I think there was an attempt made to address some of the concerns. It’s just not nearly specific enough, so I’ll be voting against that… All of (the details are) just coming later. Well, that’s total chaos,” said Mayes, prior to the vote.

Mayes joined councillors John Orlikow and Shawn Dobson to vote against the changes.

Gillingham stressed specific limits on development will be set through bylaw changes expected in spring 2025, which will be subject to an additional council vote.

“There is an entirely separate process, subsequent to this, that (would) be a rapid rezoning process that will include a public hearing,” he said.

The mayor said the city’s previously determined infill guidelines will help shape the exact rules.

He also noted he doesn’t expect to receive the entire $192 million the city has asked the feds to provide, based on what other cities have received so far.

“What these funds will do, whatever amount they are, is leverage and open the door to private-sector investment,” said Gillingham.

The timing of when the zoning changes take effect will depend on an upcoming bylaw process, he said.
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I watched it live haha.
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2023, 4:49 AM
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https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/br...g-housing-cash

Article in Free Press just came out

Winnipeg agrees to Ottawa’s rules in attempt to snag housing cash
Joyanne Pursaga
By: Joyanne Pursaga
Posted: 8:24 PM CST Thursday, Nov. 23, 2023

Winnipeg city council has approved major and controversial zoning changes in hopes of claiming nearly $200 million in federal housing cash.

The decision followed impassioned debate on Thursday. Supporters stressed the changes are needed to trigger more housing development, while critics argued they will reduce public input on projects (since many will no longer require public hearings), while also putting at risk green space, trees and neighbourhood amenities.

Mayor Scott Gillingham stressed the zoning changes mark critical steps to ensuring the city can leverage federal housing funds, which he expects would trigger additional private investment.

“It’s very important… This federal funding would be multiplied many times over to build much-needed housing,” said Gillingham.

The federal government was accused of forcing the city to make the changes. At one point, Coun. Russ Wyatt accused the senior government of “political extortion” for asking Winnipeg to “bolster” its funding application by making the significant zoning changes, though he later withdrew the comment.

The city hopes granting a federal request to end “exclusionary zoning practices,” as part of Winnipeg’s $192-million application to the Housing Accelerator Fund will ensure the addition of 5,277 local housing units by September 2026, including 1,342 affordable units.

The changes will:

— Legalize the construction of up to four housing units on a single lot “as-of-right” citywide;

— Legalize buildings of up to four-storeys “as-of-right” at any site within 800 metres of frequent transit corridors;

— Ensure new mid-rise housing targeted for mall sites and commercial corridors is allowed “as-of-right.”

(“As-of-right” means such developments would be permitted, removing the current requirement to have a zoning or variance application approved by a city committee and complete a public hearing.)

During Thursday’s council meeting, supporters said the changes are desperately needed.

“Exclusionary zoning has been a nightmare for affordability and growing the rental housing stock and has prevented incremental infill intensification and adaptation to changing needs,” said Dylon Martin of Yes in My Backyard Winnipeg, a pro-infill group.

By contrast, another delegate said the changes could have a negative impact on current homeowners.

“Mature trees are going to be demolished and it will ruin the life amenities of the neighbours, it will ruin the character of the neighbourhood. It will pack four times the number of people and vehicles and garbage bins and recycling bins and recreational vehicles and noise and sewage into areas that were not designed for it,” said Judith Blair.

Federal Housing Minister Sean Fraser’s office previously responded to criticism of the zoning requests by saying major changes are needed to solve a national housing crisis.

The mayor said any concerns about how and where denser residential buildings are added could be addressed through limits added to the rules in the future. On Thursday, council approved some amendments to spell out a few of those details.

One clause will limit four-storey buildings to be permitted near transit to be no more than 48 feet tall with four housing units.

However, other parameters were vague, such as a requirement for a minimum “standard lot size” to be set for four-unit housing projects, with actual dimensions yet to be determined.

Coun. Brian Mayes said such parameters fall short of setting clear standards.

“I think there was an attempt made to address some of the concerns. It’s just not nearly specific enough, so I’ll be voting against that… All of (the details are) just coming later. Well, that’s total chaos,” said Mayes, prior to the vote.

Mayes joined councillors John Orlikow and Shawn Dobson to vote against the changes.

Gillingham stressed specific limits on development will be set through bylaw changes expected in spring 2025, which will be subject to an additional council vote.

“There is an entirely separate process, subsequent to this, that (would) be a rapid rezoning process that will include a public hearing,” he said.

The mayor said the city’s previously determined infill guidelines will help shape the exact rules.

He also noted he doesn’t expect to receive the entire $192 million the city has asked the feds to provide, based on what other cities have received so far.

“What these funds will do, whatever amount they are, is leverage and open the door to private-sector investment,” said Gillingham.

The timing of when the zoning changes take effect will depend on an upcoming bylaw process, he said.
Goddamn I hate Orlikow. The alternatives were worse at the election. Nobody palatable ran in RH last election. I voted for Orlikow.

At least we don't have Marcus Chambers. I am pleasantly surprised by the Mayor.
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This general discussion on zoning prob belongs in the main construction thread
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The federal government was accused of forcing the city to make the changes. At one point, Coun. Russ Wyatt accused the senior government of “political extortion” for asking Winnipeg to “bolster” its funding application by making the significant zoning changes, though he later withdrew the comment.
The federal government wouldn't have to resort to "political extortion" if municipalities had done the right thing and made these zoning changes themselves instead of continually caving to NIMBYs. It's the unwillingness of people like Russ Wyatt to truly lead that brought us to this point. Sometimes what is right isn't what is popular.
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Russ is def a bleating fuckface but at least he saw the writing on the wall and voted yes
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you'd think a new bylaw opening the housing market up with less regulation would be embraced by the right wingers, but alas since it's being sent down by evil and elitist Trudeau it must be opposed at all costs.
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Hi Folks,

I just made a new thread for the zoning bylaw rewrite!

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...1#post10087890

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remember rgalston diging that up in the freepress archives a decade ago see if i can find the artical he posted was very tiny snipit
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Russ is def a bleating fuckface but at least he saw the writing on the wall and voted yes
This is the brilliance of this strategy.

Municipal councillors whose constituents hate infill might want to resist it, but doing so means turning down free and desperately needed money for housing... so you get to vote yes for it and then if your constituents hate you for it, you just blame mean ol' Trudeau for "extorting" you or whatever.
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you'd think a new bylaw opening the housing market up with less regulation would be embraced by the right wingers, but alas since it's being sent down by evil and elitist Trudeau it must be opposed at all costs.
Scott Moe is a Winnipeg city councillor?
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many are scott moe lite on council for sure.
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