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Old Posted Feb 6, 2006, 2:45 PM
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By the way, here's some good news for the 2nd Street Retail District. Groceries!

From the Austin American-Statesman
http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/other/02/3austininc.html

Groceries come to Second Street district
That is great news about the grocery coming to 2nd street! By the way, although VERY small, I just realized there is a small grocery on the west side of South Congress, in the heart of the "SoCo" district. Its more or less a miniature whole foods, a bit on the high-end. Though its not much larger than a convenience store, albeit much more interesting.
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Interesting info. I wonder how they intend to stand out from Whole Foods? At this time, I don't see downtown supporting more than WF, which, anyway, gets probably 95% of its business from drive-in traffic from West Austin/Westlake, etc. If downtown gets 25,000 residents it should easily support WF plus a traditional, lower-priced full size grocery.

Grocery stores are always, always a huge positive for a neighborhood. Indeed, a walkable grocery is what separates a true city neighborhood from a wanna-be. To speak of West Campus, this is truly what we need here. If/when we get a genuine grocery store, the Renaissance of West Campus will truly begin in earnest. A lot of students skip the high rents and parking hassels of West Campus and live on Riverside, precisely because they _still_ need their cars to go food shopping. There use to a reasonably-priced Fresh Plus in the neighborhood at 24th/San Gabriel until the early 90s (now a bike store), but it didn't survive the real estate collapse of the time. In order to have competitive prices, traditional grocers need to be 30,000+ sq feet in scale size.
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Interesting info. I wonder how they intend to stand out from Whole Foods? At this time, I don't see downtown supporting more than WF, which, anyway, gets probably 95% of its business from drive-in traffic from West Austin/Westlake, etc. If downtown gets 25,000 residents it should easily support WF plus a traditional, lower-priced full size grocery.

Grocery stores are always, always a huge positive for a neighborhood. Indeed, a walkable grocery is what separates a true city neighborhood from a wanna-be. To speak of West Campus, this is truly what we need here. If/when we get a genuine grocery store, the Renaissance of West Campus will truly begin in earnest. A lot of students skip the high rents and parking hassles of West Campus and live on Riverside, precisely because they _still_ need their cars to go food shopping. There use to a reasonably-priced Fresh Plus in the neighborhood at 25th/San Gabriel until the early 90s, but it didn't survive the real estate collapse of the time. In order to have competitive prices, traditional grocers need to be 30,000+ sq feet in scale size.
I do agree that the demand for a medium-to-large grocery stores in West Campus is significant. Students are always having to make that trek to the perpetually-packed HEB at Hancock Center, or other groceries well on the periphery of the UT-area neighborhoods. A relatively affordable grocery is needed, you are right, and a larger scale is essential not just for prices (which almost every college student takes into account) but for selection. Cheap raman noodles anyone?

As for downtown, Whole Foods is a great asset to the area, but the crowds and parking can be a deterrent for everyday shopping for everyday food staples. A close, convenient walk-accessible grocery would be an incredible asset for the new neighborhoods. Does anyone have pictures or examples of mainstream groceries in densely urban areas (specifically downtown areas)?
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When I interned in Chicago (Its nice having a company pay for a gigantic apartment inside the loop ) there were White Hens (I think thats the name of them) on every other corner it seemed. They were small mini-marts. They were convinience store sized (maybe a bit bigger) but had a full deli, and were stocked with staples and less junk food than a convinience store would be.

Honestly, thats where Austin is likely headed because there will be enough people in a single a few block radius to support a store of that size. Maybe one more full size grocerty store (perhaps in the Tom Stacey building?) and then a lot of these smaller stores all over downtown wherever density is high enough to support such a store.

You still have to grab your main bill of groceries at a larger store, but you could likely go weeks without driving to one and get most of your staples during the week at the smaller stores.
     
     
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I do agree that the demand for a medium-to-large grocery stores in West Campus is significant. Students are always having to make that trek to the perpetually-packed HEB at Hancock Center, or other groceries well on the periphery of the UT-area neighborhoods. A relatively affordable grocery is needed, you are right, and a larger scale is essential not just for prices (which almost every college student takes into account) but for selection. Cheap raman noodles anyone?

As for downtown, Whole Foods is a great asset to the area, but the crowds and parking can be a deterrent for everyday shopping for everyday food staples. A close, convenient walk-accessible grocery would be an incredible asset for the new neighborhoods. Does anyone have pictures or examples of mainstream groceries in densely urban areas (specifically downtown areas)?
I used to live in Ottawa, Canada and its maybe a little bit smaller than Austin and has a few things in common with it, though the downtown is much older and has a long history of residential living. Within what I would consider to be 'downtown' Ottawa, there are at least 4 significant grocery stores and possibly more depending on where you draw your boundaries. A couple of them are pretty massive. Strangely enough, Ottawa has nothing like Whole Foods or Central Market, though either would be a gold mine there.
     
     
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I did a bit of digging and couldn't find the name of this building, but I'm sure you locals will know what it is, so I'll offer up the quick update from tonight:



Wow, what a shitty picture. Anyway... hi guys.
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That building is the Marriott Residence and Courtyard Hotel Tower.

This is the actual website, which has a rendering of the hotel.
http://marriott.com/property/propertypage/ausrd?WT_Ref=mi_left
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Hey MJ Philly!! Did you get any other pictures in Austin? I love your photo's, and would love to see how you capture Austin.
     
     
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^ It's not THAT bad MJ. When were you in town?
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Thanks JR. Yes, I took a bunch of photos last night (Jan 6) that I will used to make a whole thread eventually. I'm working in San Marcos for a couple days - I fly back Thursday morning.
     
     
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Hey man, if you have time get some snapshots of San Marcos. There's a decent little skyline down there.
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Thanks JR. Yes, I took a bunch of photos last night (Jan 6) that I will used to make a whole thread eventually. I'm working in San Marcos for a couple days - I fly back Thursday morning.
Welcome to Austin MJ! Definitely get some shots of San Marcos... nice vertical college campus at Texas State University. Booming area. Can't wait to see your Austin shots with that new DSLR of yours.
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Speaking of shitty, are they doing something with the old Marriott just off 35 downtown, considering this new one is being built.? That may be the ugliest large building in town. I would seriously welcome its demolition.

Second place is the Bank of America building, I would almost welcome its demolition as well.
     
     
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Wow, I really don't think the BOA building is THAT bad. It is definately the most bland building in the skyline, but I wouldn't say it looks so bad that it should be demolished.
     
     
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Wow, I really don't think the BOA building is THAT bad. It is definately the most bland building in the skyline, but I wouldn't say it looks so bad that it should be demolished.
Its pretty bad - but I agree, it probably shouldn't be. That's why I said 'almost'. Seriously though, for such a large building (relative to Austin's skyline) it literally adds nothing to the skyline. Just a horrible building that does not fit in at all.
     
     
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Nah, the Bank of America Center isn't all that bad. Infact I think it's Austin's best piece of international style architecture. If I had to pick the worst building in downtown I'd have to say either the Westgate Tower that blocks many of the views of the Capitol and is just an ugly eyesore. Or maybe a few of the state office buildings in the Capitol Complex. They don't do the Capitol any justice being it's neighbors. There are others too but those stick out the most on the skyline since they're big brown bulky boxes. Bank of America Center is a bit sleek. I do like that it's a snapshot of the style of architecture that was popular during the 70s. Austin doesn't have a huge collection of buildings from a wide range of decades as say Dallas or Houston do, so having something like BOA that is an example of 70s style architecture is alright by me. And it's not all that tall, in a few years you won't even know it's there.

One other thing is that the Bank of America Center was the 3rd building in Austin to be taller than the Capitol after the Dobie Center and Chase Bank Tower. And it was the tallest office building in Austin for 7 years until the One American Center was built in 1982. The best view of Bank of America Center is in the late afternoon. Walk down 6th Street towards Congress Avenue on the north side of 6th Street. The views of it there are nice with the sunlight reflecting off the facade.

And I sort of agree with your comment about the Marriott at the Capitol. I guess they were going for Southwestern Adobe style architecture when they built it. That style of architecture though has absoulutely nothing to do with Texas so I don't know why the did it. The north facade of it though near the ground is alright with that copper colored glass. They show this feature off on Marriott's website. Again though the Marriott is short, just 172 feet tall, and the view of it coming south, or north on I-35 isn't that good anyway.
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From the Austin American-Statesman
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/02/8utbuild.html

$149.9 million expansion of UT stadium planned

Price tag for hotel-conference center rises 44 percent, to $120.9 million.


By Ralph K.M. Haurwitz
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Wednesday, February 08, 2006

University of Texas System regents on Thursday are expected to approve spending nearly $150 million to remodel and expand Royal-Memorial Stadium.

The project, scheduled to be completed in August 2008, would boost seating capacity for football games to more than 90,000.

The regents also are expected to authorize construction of a $120.9 million hotel and conference center at the southern edge of campus. That is nearly $37 million more than previous estimates, an increase caused partly by the need to build underground parking to avoid condemning a restaurant that has operated adjacent to the site for more than 20 years.

The stadium expansion, which focuses on the north end zone, has been under discussion for some time, but officials have not disclosed a price tag until now. The $149.9 million cost includes $15 million approved by the regents in November for renovating and expanding the west side of the stadium, work that is under way.

"We had exceptional demand before we won the national championship. I think because of winning the national championship, sales of the inventory of new seating will probably go even faster than we anticipated," said Patti Ohlendorf, UT-Austin's vice president for institutional relations and legal affairs.

The expansion would make Royal-Memorial one of the nation's largest college football stadiums but not one of the true giants. The University of Michigan's stadium has a capacity of 107,501, and Penn State's seats 107,282.

A committee of regents will meet in Austin today to consider the stadium and hotel-conference center projects, with the full Board of Regents scheduled to take action Thursday. UT System Chancellor Mark Yudof and his top aides have recommended approval.

The stadium proposal calls for replacing the existing north end zone structure. Besides increasing the seating capacity, currently 80,082, the project would add offices for the cheerleading program, production TV crew members, ticketing, patron services, the Longhorn Foundation, athletics officials and academic advising. Also, sprinklers would be added to interior portions of the stadium that lack such fire controls.

"There will also be some gymnasiums in the basement for academic use, classes and that type of thing," Ohlendorf said. "And there will be a portion — I think one floor — not yet finished out that will have some future university use."

Bonds would be issued to cover $106.6 million of the project, with the debt to be repaid from revenue generated by Centennial Room and west stadium seating. Gifts would pay for $35 million, and the $8.3 million balance would be covered by investment returns on UT-Austin's construction account.

The budget for the hotel and conference center — to be known as the University of Texas Executive Education and Conference Center — is poised to rise about 44 percent from the $84 million estimated last year.

UT-Austin officials had hoped to acquire the adjacent property occupied by Player's restaurant for a parking garage to serve the hotel and conference center, but the restaurant's owners didn't want to sell. Although the regents had authorized the use of eminent domain to acquire the tract, a legislative effort last year to restrict the university's condemnation power prompted officials to forgo that option.

The increased cost for the project stems from a decision to build three levels of underground parking and to expand executive education capacity, with 300 hotel rooms rather than 250, according to UT System records.

The financing plan consists of $85.9 million in bonds, $30 million in gifts and $5 million in investment earnings from UT-Austin's construction account. Bond debt would be paid with revenue from operating the hotel and garage.

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Royal-Memorial Stadium

Seating capacity: 80,082

Total capacity: 85,000, including media, stadium workers and others

Largest crowd: 84,082, against Nebraska in 1999

First game: Nov. 8, 1924, against Baylor, at what was then known as Memorial Stadium

Source: University of Texas
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Very good news on the stadium! But almost an afterthought in that article is the news of the Hotel conference center, increasing the number of rooms from 250 to 300. Not to mention the fact that the overall site plan has been reduced because of the exclusion of Player's (thank goodness it wasn't condemned)... All this adds up to a taller building at this location. I think we're easily talking at least 10-15 stories here, taking into account all of the conference facilities within this complex. Time will tell...

And as for BoA tower... I like it. I really do. Yes it stands out from almost every other building in Austin, but thats what I like about it...its unique. A slender, sleek glass curtain walled tower. As kevin says, the prominence of BoA on the skyline is going to be reduced considerably in coming years. It will be this cool little building on Congress... akin to the Tenneco tower in Houston (a 30+ story building dwarfed by its surroundings).
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Yeah I have an aerial picture from around ~1976 to 1979 in a book that shows downtown with the Bank of America Center and Chase Bank Tower as the two tallest buildings in the shot. Everything else in the picture is a little more than half their heights.

That same view in a few years is going to be totally different.
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I posted this in the Texas/SC section, but here are soem renderings that came out several years ago depicting the ultimate build-out plan for DKR Memorial Stadium. The north end zone seating is visible in both:

Looking NW:


Looking due south (north end zone seating closest to you):



North end zone, looking west:

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