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Old Posted Aug 15, 2017, 10:19 PM
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Perhaps the business people you deal with are far more educated, and well traveled than those I deal with. I mean, I'm just in contact with the lowly down and out of Europe, New York and Hollywood. Generally the successful entertainment crowd. Most if not all are very well aware and highly complimentary of Salt Lake and Utah. But hey for sure, what do those fools know. You are obviously far more objective and well traveled than these people.

By Los Angeles standards, which in many areas are pretty high, Salt Lake City and Metro is a boom town. The only area that is lagging at this point is high rise construction. I happen to agree with the many on this forum who have enough perspective to predict that it's only a matter of time before high-rises become passé, just like so many other mile stones that people use to complain about ten years ago. And I'm sure that history will repeat itself. Once the high-rises start to become a regular event, some of the same people will find something else to bitch about. It's just a part of human nature for some.

edit: There are forum members who do have very legitimate criticisms. They love Salt Lake and the Wasatch Front, and rightfully want to see it continue to improve. I agree, there's definitely plenty of room for improvement.

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A lot of those things you do once but they don't keep you coming back. A lot of those things aren't as interesting as you suggest. And to say our restaurant scene is nationally acclaimed is a joke. Most people outside of Utah or Mormons when ask where I'm from don't know a single thing about Utah except its where the Mormons reside. I can't tell you how many people I've ran into on business trips that don't even realize that Utah has mountains. Everyone thinks its just an extension of Nevada and Arizona. If people don't know that then how are we nationally acclaimed and vibrant restaurant scene? Especially when so many cities out there have a much better restaurant scene? Examples: Seattle/Denver/Austin/Las Vegas/Portland/Chicago/Milwaukee/Boston/Philadelphia/ and many others. The performing art scenes aren't close to being on the same levels of other capitals like Austin or Denver. The things you mentioned are all good things but I think its quite exaggerated and stretching things to prop up Salt Lake.

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Old Posted Aug 15, 2017, 10:25 PM
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^Come back and you will meet reality.

Just because you know people who say nice things about Salt Lake doesn't make any of those things you mentioned before an exaggeration.
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Once again I would like to state that this stuff is exactly why I love reading the Salt Lake page!

You all are crazy!
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2017, 12:07 AM
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I sincerely don't feel that I did exaggerate. Note, I didn't hate on any other city. I was very careful to say "one of the". Now, I just assumed that everyone would understand that that means within a group of a number of other attractive cities. Is it unreasonable to say that Salt Lake's State Capitol, City Hall, Main Library, etc. is among the most attractive in the country? They are! Of course, opinions on beauty or architectural design can often be subjective. However C'mon, There's a point where beautiful is just beautiful. Did the Eccles Theatre's Main St. execution not turn out as stunning? Again, I stated it equals and or surpasses it peers. It does equal, and in many cases surpasses it's peers for sheer street beauty! I have and do attend some of the most prestigious theaters in the country on a regular basis. It is my subjective opinion that Salt Lake City can be very proud of its new Eccles Theatre. I would mention the Conference Center or historic Tabernacle, but they were built by the LDS Church, so I guess they don't count. Which is interesting, because many of the world's most celebrated instrumentalists, vocalists and conductors have performed there. Forget the fact that as performance halls it is no exaggeration to say they blow the doors off many a typical performance center. Another interesting fact. While Salt Lake City has of yet not built a Convention Center Hotel, the area is hardly lacking in fine hotels. I work on shoots regularly in some of the finest hotels on the continent. Not all, but most can't hold a candle aesthetically to the Grand or many of the finer establishments in Park City/Deer Valley. And yes, I do consider Park City to be just as much a part of the Metro and Salt Lake City fabric, as I do Newport, Beverly Hills or Santa Monica as part of L.A.

And finally yes, I would tend to value the positive opinions of many who have won the world's highest honors in their respective fields of the arts as a good omen. No one here is saying that Salt Lake City and it's metro have reached Nirvana, However, the overriding opinion of many of the A list Hollywood Glitterati that visit the area regularly is definitely that it's doing a lot of things right, and that its certainly headed in the right direction.

Grasscom, a sincere compliment. I love Southern California. There are many areas in the greater L.A. metro that are fantastic as far as home sites with great views. I notice you are from Draper. There is no place, not even the most scenic areas of So. Cal. that can surpass the views from Draper's benches.

Another interesting thought. Many social media savvy people here are aware of Salt Lake's hot job market. I think that the SALT developments, the higher rents, and percentages of those moving in from out of State are some pretty important indicators to keep track of . To me, the Hardware Village area is going to be one of the major game changers for Downtown Salt Lake. Remember, Salt Lake's vacancy rate is half of some of those other hot markets. Many of you have said it's extremely difficult to find housing of any kind. There's a serious shortage in every category. If the out of state immigration numbers for Hardware/4th West and the last population stats are not an anomaly, even the most impatient local forumers should have a lot to look forward to over the next few years.

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Let's give the secular/city government/and ten of thousands of newbies some credit. Salt Lake City Downtown and Proper has one of the singularly most attractive Main Libraries, City Halls, State Capitals, Public Safety Buildings, Natural History Museums, etc. in No. America. A brand new Theatre whose elegant presence at the street equals and or surpasses its peers anywhere on the continent. A nationally acclaimed and vibrant restaurant scene. Also, not to mention a performing arts scene that hits waaay above it's weight when compared to many capitals on the continent of similar or larger city and metro size. Not to mention a University of Utah, whose building program is and continues to be breakneck, even by Southern California standards.

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If it weren't for the LDS Church, Salt Lake City would be just as likely to be insignificant. The presence of the church brings a great amount of international attention to the city, whether it's attention you like or not is beside the point.

And anyway, Salt Lake is a significantly more attractive and interesting city than either Tucson or Albuquerque.
I think you are underestimating both the repellant effect of the Mormon brand and the beauty/resources the Salt Lake Valley has to offer. Yes, Salt Lake City would not be a thing without the Mormons, but had we let antiquated ideas fall by the wayside in 1890 or 1978 for example, Utah would be a very different State, and Salt Lake City would be a much larger American city, because it IS a desirable place to live. But the Mormon thing and the silly Utah laws put in place by the theocracy here are a con to most Americans looking to move here. Salt Lake City could sure use a very good PR firm.
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I have a bad feeling this means doom for the Regent Street Hotel. I’m pretty sure this building was supposed to be demolished, although they were going to use the original front of the building as part of the project.

Well here’s the bad news folks....

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I think that must be for the historic building, not the regent hotel property.
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Clearly there's a disconnect between what Salt Lakers and Utahns perceive the perception of the state is and what it really is. Most of Utah's growth continues to be internal, and despite being located in a region where six of the ten fastest growing states are located (the Western United States), Utah is not seeing a brunt of that same growth. Our outside-in growth is positive, compared to a whole host of rust belt states, but it's more in line with some Midwest states than the booming west.

There's a reason for that. People aren't flocking to Utah like they are Idaho, Washington, Arizona and Colorado. We're in the exact same region, similar climate to Idaho and Colorado but politically, we're not similar. Even Idaho, which is probably more conservative on the whole, isn't Utah Conservative (you know, Nanny State). That plays a role. It impacts perception. Is it a major issue? I don't know. But it's probably why, even today, Salt Lake struggles bringing in the type of population to fuel the kind of urban living we're seeing in places like Denver, Portland and Seattle (maybe even Phoenix).
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2017, 1:17 AM
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I think that must be for the historic building, not the regent hotel property.
That historic building was going to come down for the hotel... the front of it was going to be reused, kind of like ZCMI.

Not 100 but pretty sure.
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2017, 1:27 AM
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That historic building was going to come down for the hotel... the front of it was going to be reused, kind of like ZCMI.

Not 100 but pretty sure.
Unfortunately I’m correct... kinda. That building was going to be a part of the Hotel... Well, it looks like this project is probably not happening. Unless they have heavily altered their plans

http://www.buildingsaltlake.com/hist...-find-new-use/
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Here is the listing. It’s just for the building and not the eat-a-burger lot... thing is though. The developer did acquire that building, but I’m not sure if they ever even acquired the eat-a-burger site. The eat-a-burger building was sinking and starting to crack in half... it was unusable. I’m guessing the city offered to tear it down for the owner so they could use it as a staging site.


http://astro.ngacres.com/Core/GetPro...er-10450-0.pdf

Update: Somthing took place with eat-a-burger in 2015... might have been a change of ownership. I’m not paying to find out though.
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The articles I see say that the developer had an agreement to buy the Felt building. Nowhere have I seen that they actually followed through.


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Here is the listing. It’s just for the building and not the eat-a-burger lot... thing is though. The developer did acquire that building, but I’m not sure if they ever even acquired the eat-a-burger site. The eat-a-burger building was sinking and starting to crack in half... it was unusable. I’m guessing the city offered to tear it down for the owner so they could use it as a staging site.


http://astro.ngacres.com/Core/GetPro...er-10450-0.pdf

Update: Somthing took place with eat-a-burger in 2015... might have been a change of ownership. I’m not paying to find out though.
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Great, yet another high rise proposal dead in the water. Meanwhile every other city are developing them by the dozen. THIS is why we will never catch up or become a real city.
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Clearly there's a disconnect between what Salt Lakers and Utahns perceive the perception of the state is and what it really is. Most of Utah's growth continues to be internal, and despite being located in a region where six of the ten fastest growing states are located (the Western United States), Utah is not seeing a brunt of that same growth. Our outside-in growth is positive, compared to a whole host of rust belt states, but it's more in line with some Midwest states than the booming west.

There's a reason for that. People aren't flocking to Utah like they are Idaho, Washington, Arizona and Colorado. We're in the exact same region, similar climate to Idaho and Colorado but politically, we're not similar. Even Idaho, which is probably more conservative on the whole, isn't Utah Conservative (you know, Nanny State). That plays a role. It impacts perception. Is it a major issue? I don't know. But it's probably why, even today, Salt Lake struggles bringing in the type of population to fuel the kind of urban living we're seeing in places like Denver, Portland and Seattle (maybe even Phoenix).
Depending on how you're looking at it, Utah is lucky enough to have Mormons that like to pop out crotch fruit by the dozen... Utah's population growth is almost entirely fueled by high birth rate. I guess that makes UT less desirable but in turn there isn't the high level of interstate immigration that other states are seeing. Utah is always going to be very... Utah. I think this is going to change in the coming years as prices in the rest of the country increase and people see that urban living is where the heart of secular culture in Utah resides.

That being said, I would like to see the Mormon church take a stance on sprawl seeing as that they can impact people's lives better than any group in Utah. I think the church is smart enough to see that endless sprawl is bad for Utah. I'm sure they could position downtown family living as an alternative to suburban living... maybe because you're closer to the temple? Citycreek was definitely aimed at the kind of empty basket wealthy population that Utah has... but I can see utah finding itself as a breeding ground for new living concepts that allow families to enjoy the traditional 2500 square feet with a big back yard kind of living situation without having to sprawl into eagle mountain. Maybe apartment complexes with 4, 5 bedroom units and ample space for recreation. Encourage reduced car usage by naturally placing work, school, shopping, etc - closer to home.

Part of me likes the lack of interstate immigration into Utah. Not to sound like I'm reciting the wet dream of a nativist Coloradan douche who's scared of everybody from california... but Salt Lake is truly one of the "hidden gems" in the united states surrounded by monotony and cultural vacuum. I think that has fostered a lot of unique art, cultural celebrations, politics, recreation, etc that even larger cities themselves don't enjoy. Even if the suburbs grow, SLC is going to retain its charm... sadly enough because people aren't moving into the city like they are elsewhere... but I think that's changing as we speak, and its certainly going to change within the next decade. People are seeing beyond the Mormon TM (and I do genuinely think this is an issue for a lot of people that motivates them into moving elsewhere) to see that SLC has a great economy, the best scenery of any large city in the united states (argue with me about this please because you're wrong), and is overall a great place to live.
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I do agree Salt Lake has some beautiful scenery to it. But I will challenge you on this, I believe Honolulu still has the edge though on scenery.

To me Salt Lake can be fun to visit but if I stay too long I get really sick of it there. It's not a place I would ever want to live. That being said though I do wish the best for it and hope it continues thriving. It's a great little city, it has potential and I hope it does one day hit its potential. Though I'm very skeptical it ever will.
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I do agree Salt Lake has some beautiful scenery to it. But I will challenge you on this, I believe Honolulu still has the edge though on scenery.

To me Salt Lake can be fun to visit but if I stay too long I get really sick of it there. It's not a place I would ever want to live. That being said though I do wish the best for it and hope it continues thriving. It's a great little city, it has potential and I hope it does one day hit its potential. Though I'm very skeptical it ever will.
Can I backtrack and bend the rules? Mainland only... lol.

But you're actually right, I was forgetting honolulu. I love honolulu, my only gripe is the traffic and everything is Too Damn Expensive.
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Can I backtrack and bend the rules? Mainland only... lol.

But you're actually right, I was forgetting honolulu. I love honolulu, my only gripe is the traffic and everything is Too Damn Expensive.


Agreed, Honolulu is amazing but I would choose Salt Lake any day over Honolulu. I actually want to be able to afford to enjoy the things I love.
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[QUOTE=jubguy3;7894330]Depending on how you're looking at it, Utah is lucky enough to have Mormons that like to pop out crotch fruit by the dozen...

Hilarious!😂 Can anyone tell me why they all look related, and drive like they never have before!?🤣
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Agreed, Honolulu is amazing but I would choose Salt Lake any day over Honolulu. I actually want to be able to afford to enjoy the things I love.
Like milk, and bread, and shelter...
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Hilarious!😂 Can anyone tell me why they all look related, and drive like they never have before!?🤣
Probably a reduced gene pool lol
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