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Old Posted Mar 16, 2010, 10:58 PM
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It's hard for me to gauge this because I no longer live in Halifax, but I have noticed that the design process for most public projects in the city is very closed. They didn't even have a design competition for the library - what a lost opportunity, not only for the designs, but also for motivation and visibility.
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I agree with you, but I think they're trying. The CEU started a newsletter a couple of years ago and had bold ambitions to develop a street front information centre. I know that the newsletter came out with a couple of editions, but I'm not sure if the other project materialized. They have hosted lectures and public forums (see their website) and administered the trillium public art competition. I agree that there could be a more outspoken and vocal presence in this community - a leader could make an even greater impact.
Yeah this is true. Again, I'm not saying anything against their efforts. And in the case, resources are definitely an issue. Too many projects to tackle, not enough manpower. The newsletter is no longer published, and the proposed Planning and Design Centre has not yet materialized for a number of reasons - a fantastic initiative, and I hope it resurfaces soon with a plan to make it a success.

About the lectures and exhibitions. I know about them! but only because I know where to look. I just meant that they can do a better job at telling the public about them, and be a bit more inviting to those outside of academic world (would also be great to have more working professionals attending for both a sort of continuing education, as well as bringing more practical working questions and concerns into the discussion).

You're right - leadership is always an issue. Faculty members are often spread thin between teaching, research, private practice work, thesis guidance etc., and it can be difficult to get someone to take the lead - especially when dealing with municipal issues that are often so frustrating for everyone involved.
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It's hard for me to gauge this because I no longer live in Halifax, but I have noticed that the design process for most public projects in the city is very closed. They didn't even have a design competition for the library - what a lost opportunity, not only for the designs, but also for motivation and visibility.
This is a fantastic point and one I really don't understand. An international (invited or not) competition should be the default for all public buildings. It is a win-win. You can generate great ideas, engaged the community, gather outside opinions (people not influenced by political history, etc), it is a fraction of the cost of the countless studies and reports that only ever seem to produce the same results, and in the end, you don't have to build any of the proposals if not deemed suitable. At the very least, you generate discussion about the future of the city and about what it wants to be. And this is an exercise that Halifax desperately needs. You also give smaller firms and start-up firms the opportunity to show-off work, when they rarely stand a chance in a closed RFP competition gauged almost solely on cost. It is common practice throughout Europe (in cities of all sizes), in most major cities in NA today, and I don't see why it doesn't happen here. To relate it to the posts above about the role of design schools - this is really where they can bring a lot to the city - by organizing, implementing and encouraging such practices.
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Just a demolition shot from today;

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It's hard for me to gauge this because I no longer live in Halifax, but I have noticed that the design process for most public projects in the city is very closed. They didn't even have a design competition for the library - what a lost opportunity, not only for the designs, but also for motivation and visibility.
It seems most public buildings here get designed on a low-bid basis, so that explains the mediocrity. As for the library, well, that is Judith Hare's monument to herself, so she has engineered the selection process to give her what she wants. How she ended up with FBM, the same firm that designed the red-brick and sonotube bowling alley known as Citadel High, speaks volumes about the level of expertise applied to that project.
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It seems most public buildings here get designed on a low-bid basis, so that explains the mediocrity. As for the library, well, that is Judith Hare's monument to herself, so she has engineered the selection process to give her what she wants. How she ended up with FBM, the same firm that designed the red-brick and sonotube bowling alley known as Citadel High, speaks volumes about the level of expertise applied to that project.
Hopefully the architectural affiliate to FBM for the library will point out what a cheap design Citadel High is.
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I feel relieved to read that Mayor Kelly is promoting this Nova Centre project and other downtown projects. I always keep hoping that Mayor Kelly will mention something about stadium plans (in collaboration with a private investor).

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Bright future comes with the spring in downtown Halifax
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I’d like to share with you the optimism I feel for the future of downtown Halifax. My confidence stems from the number of major development opportunities on the drawing board as well as the potential for more to come.
From my window here at City Hall, I can see the site of what regional council and I anticipate will eventually be a key driver of the urban core’s rejuvenation — the $300-million Nova Centre.
The developer calls Nova Centre “a tangible expression of confidence in the future of Halifax as the pre-eminent business centre in the Atlantic Region.”
The centre is earmarked for the sites of the former Chronicle-Herald and Midtown buildings. Demolition crews are clearing the area in anticipation of the new centre proceeding, once all necessary financing and permits are in place.
The developer’s design includes commercial, retail and residential components, plus office and hotel towers. Anchoring the 1.25-million sq. ft. proposal is a trade/convention centre. It would be a huge incentive in attracting events from HRM, across Canada and abroad.
While the proposed Nova Centre is a key component in the downtown’s future prosperity, it’s by no means the only one. There are a number of other major proposals in the offing which add to my optimism. For example, the owner of the 18-storey TD building is planning to double the size of the complex to meet a growing demand for Class A office space.
Large towers are also proposed for the site of the Discovery Centre and the Roy Building while new futures are being discussed for locations like the former home of Sam the Record Man and the Carsand-Mosher location. Also last week, council sent for public hearing a proposed five-storey addition at the City Centre Atlantic site, a block from busy Spring Garden Road.
Council’s initiatives are incentives for making the urban core a good place to live and work, initiatives like HRMbyDesign, our landmark urban design plan, and the Barrington Street Heritage Conservation District Revitalization Plan, which encourages conservation, restoration and commercial revitalization of historic buildings, streetscapes and public spaces.
When these projects and proposals become realities, they will add to the liveliness and prosperity of the downtown, causing spinoff benefits for the entire municipality.

Dedicated community organizations like the Cobequid Cultural Society also inspire me.
Members of this non-profit group want to create a special centre for performing arts and culture, digital arts and cultural training for the area of HRM that includes Sackville, Beaver Bank, Bedford, Timberlea, Hammonds Plains, Hubley, Mount Uniacke, Fall River, Waverley, Dutch Settlement and Windsor Junction.
The society proposes this centre be built in conjunction with the new high school which will replace C.P. Allen, sometime in the next couple of years. For the society, this would represent significant savings in land costs, construction and maintenance. In return, the new school would have access to a cultural arts facility.
Similar tandem developments exist in New Glasgow, Mabou and Halifax West High School. One is also in the construction process at Citadel High School. Go to www.cccas.ca/cccas-arts-centre.html to learn more.

Nominations for the 12th annual Mayor’s Awards for Literary Achievement and Excellence in Book Illustration close March 19. You’ll find details at www.halifax.ca/council/mayor/mayors_awards.html

And finally, I would like to take this opportunity to wish you a very happy spring. According to the calendar, the new season arrives this Saturday, March 20, at precisely 2.32 p.m. I can’t wait to get my hands dirty in the garden!


Get in touch with Mayor Kelly at city hall at [email protected] or by phoning him at 490-4010. He’s also on Facebook and Twitter.
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This is a short article that was in metronews.ca Halifax. ( http://www.metronews.ca/halifax/local/article/480889--association-chief-bemoans-lost-conventions ). In spite of groups like Heritage Trust and Save our View being against it, it is good to see this group is a proponent of the trade centre.

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March 18, 2010 1:20 a.m.
The president of the Hotel Association of Nova Scotia said yesterday the lack of a modern convention centre in downtown Halifax has reduced the province to a “B-level convention market.”

Jeff Ransome said in a release the World Trade and Convention Centre is outdated, resulting in the province losing convention business.

“Size and other limitations have reduced us to a B-level convention market in the eyes of meeting planners,” he said. “This has resulted in the loss of approximately 70 major conferences in the last three years alone.”

Ransome said the lost conferences hurt the hotel industry. The province and city are also losing out on revenue, he added.

Ransome said the WTCC has generated $975 million in revenues and $40 million in provincial tax revenue since 2000 — but a new facility has the potential to yield more.

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Last May, HRM and the province announced plans for a new convention centre to be built on Argyle Street, on the site of the old Halifax Herald building, by 2013.
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If construction on the Nova Centre starts in the near future then this might have a positive effect on the start of the United Gulf towers since one tower was meant to be a hotel tower (just my conjecture).
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If construction on the Nova Centre starts in the near future then this might have a positive effect on the start of the United Gulf towers since one tower was meant to be a hotel tower (just my conjecture).
Not sure, but not likely.

Currently to finance a hotel a developer/owner would require a minimum of 50% equity. Pretty much next to impossible to make a hotel work with those type of requirements.
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just some more demolition







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Old Posted Mar 19, 2010, 12:07 PM
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Thanks for the photos Harlington.

There is a petition is favour of the Nova Centre. It is at this link: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/supp...w Halifax Convention Centre Construction . It is good to see pro-development groups promoting growth and jobs in the Halifax area.
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I have no problem supporting this development, but i keep seeing this

" Nova Scotia has lost at least 70 conferences due to our lack of capacity. In real terms, this meant a loss of 56,000 delegates, 115,000 room nights and an estimated $4 million in provincial tax revenues."

If that is the case then show the numbers to the public that we are actually losing these events.
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I have no problem supporting this development, but i keep seeing this

" Nova Scotia has lost at least 70 conferences due to our lack of capacity. In real terms, this meant a loss of 56,000 delegates, 115,000 room nights and an estimated $4 million in provincial tax revenues."

If that is the case then show the numbers to the public that we are actually losing these events.
I think that this is impossible. Sometimes faith is required. It is like building the the MacDonald Bridge back in 1958, did anyone predict the positive effect that it would have on growth in Dartmouth? Maybe some did predict this, but there was no way to prove it prior to building the bridge.
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I have no problem supporting this development, but i keep seeing this

" Nova Scotia has lost at least 70 conferences due to our lack of capacity. In real terms, this meant a loss of 56,000 delegates, 115,000 room nights and an estimated $4 million in provincial tax revenues."

If that is the case then show the numbers to the public that we are actually losing these events.
Just as important as the direct economic impact is the spinoff or unknown benifits. Many conferences will have some association with businesses or industry in the area. It gives the decision makers a chance to see first hand what can be offered in the area as well as having the opportunity to speak with local industry and financial reps. directly.
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Two opposing articles from today's Herald.


Demolition work continues on the old Chronicle Herald building. A new convention centre is planned for the site. (PETER PARSONS / Staff)

‘ Boondoggle’ would block view

Heritage group says convention centre bad investment


By BILL POWER Business Reporter
AGROUP FIGHTING to protect the view from Citadel Hill wants the province to abandon a proposed $100-million invest ment in a replacement for the World Trade and Convention Centre.

“It’s like investing in a race horse that is past its prime," said Phil Pacey on Thursday at a news conference organized by the Coalition to Save the View.

The coalition — comprised of a mix of groups opposed to the development intended for the former Chronicle Herald site downtown — used the event to release data showing the North American convention industry has been in a state of decline since the end of the 1990s.

Officials in the convention industry in Halifax disputed the numbers later.

Coalition members used graphs to back up their com ments about a decline in the in dustry and to question the wis dom of the province’s commit ment to the Halifax project.

They said they are very skep tical about numbers provided by promoters of a replacement convention centre and called on the provincial government to conduct its own objective re view.

“The decision makers should not rely on flawed and inaccurate information," said coalition member Peter Delefes.

Coalition member Judy Hai ven said that by investing $100 million in the convention centre portion of the develop ment, the province would be al lowing a couple of highrise towers to be built at the former Herald site.

“It’s very disturbing that the provincial government has not looked at the economic boon doggle the convention centre industry has become," she said.

Haiven provided examples of cities that continued to experi ence declines in convention at tendance after building new convention centres, including Baltimore and Indianapolis in the United States and Nanaimo in British Columbia.

The coalition has argued for months against the towers, in sisting that they would block the panoramic view of Halifax Harbour offered from the for tress.

Much of the information pre sented at the news conference came from consultations with Heywood Sanders at the Uni versity of Texas at San Anto nio. He is considered an expert in the convention industry.

One graph prepared by the professor showed that while convention centre exhibit space grew by 11 per cent from 1998 to 2008, attendance at the 50 top Canadian events de clined by 200,000, or 32 per cent. Coalition members said they are upset about the way the provincial investment in the convention centre would allow the developer to proceed with the project, add a couple of highrise towers and reduce a portion of Grafton Street to an enclosed pedestrian walkway.

Questions about the validity of the coalition’s numbers and its arguments against investing in a convention centre were raised by Jeff Ransome, president of the Hotel Association of Nova Sco tia.

“The numbers are down in Ha lifax because we lack a modern complex to compete within an in dustry that is looking for more space," he said.

“Size and other limitations have reduced us to a B-level con vention market in the eyes of meeting planners.

This has resulted in the loss of approximately 70 major confer ences in the last three years alone."

Ransome also questioned why a group with such an obvious bias against the entire develop ment was suddenly so vocal about the convention industry.

“It is ridiculous to suggest that, because some convention centres in some markets are hav ing trouble, we should abandon the industry here."

He said this was like saying the city should abandon the entire shipping industry “if there is one leaky boat somewhere out there on the ocean."

Scott Ferguson, president and CEO of Trade Centre Ltd., said some numbers used by the coali tion focus on an entirely differ ent segment of the market and re late to some of the biggest trade show venues in the world, such as the Moscone Center in San F rancisco.

“Over the past 10 years, the trade centre in Halifax has gen erated a billion dollars for the provincial economy," he said.

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More than a view at stake


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ANYONE walking around downtown Halifax quickly real izes that the provin cial capital’s prime business and entertainment district appears a little depressed.

There are plenty of empty storefronts and vacant lots, and the overall mood doesn’t do Halifax justice.

Nevertheless, a group has banded together to sabotage plans to inject new energy into the downtown.

The group, called the Coali tion to Save the View from Citadel Hill, believes that if it can persuade the provincial government not to participate in the construction of a new convention centre, it will be able to block an 18-storey hotel and a 14-storey office tower that are part of the complex.

The coalition held a news conference Thursday to make its case against the conven tion centre being built. It says the convention business is dying, and therefore investing in a new and expanded meet ing place in Halifax wouldn’t be worth it.

Rank Inc., the private devel oper, disagrees. It has an am bitious plan to build the mixed-use project — conven tion centre, hotel and finan cial centre, with commercial, retail and residential compo nents — on two contiguous city blocks in the heart of downtown. The plan also in cludes underground parking for 600 vehicles.

The complex is expected to cost more than $300 million; the convention centre alone is to run about $100 million.

The proposal calls for Rank to build the convention centre and lease it to Halifax Region al Municipality and the prov ince, which would manage it as it does the current World Trade and Convention Centre. One convention expert says convention centres are necessary for a growing econ omy, while the opposing group has its own expert saying the future for conventions is dire.

I’m not a convention expert, but including the convention centre as part of a new devel opment in the heart of down town is an opportunity that is not likely to come along again any time soon.

An estimated 1,500 jobs would be created during the construction phase alone. The prospect of an exciting new development in Halifax, I’m told, is attracting companies that want to set up shop in the new financial centre, increas ing the number of people working downtown.

Construction of such a com plex could also encourage a wave of much-needed devel opment downtown because of the business it would bring to the area.

The former Chronicle Her ald property on Argyle Street, where the complex is to be built, was never affected by the viewplane legislation of the 1960s, therefore highrise construction on the site was not restricted. The legislation tried to preserve the view of Halif ax Harbour from the ramparts of the Citadel.

The new HRM by Design regulations were written to accommodate the viewplane rules. So at least a couple of highrise buildings could be built on the former Herald property with or without a convention centre.

I remember what Halifax was like when the current World Trade and Convention Centre was built decades ago.

It provided an immediate boost of energy.

No matter what people say about the convention busi ness, Halifax is still a desir able location for convention planners. I’m told that trade centre management is turning away business because the current facility is lacking.

Government must negotiate a good deal on behalf of the people of Nova Scotia, every one agrees on that. But the sooner we get this complex built, the sooner Nova Sco tians will be able to reap the rewards.

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It's very sad that minorities like this are holding Halifax back from what it could be. I understand that they want to protect the city's heritage - and so do I - but the CH building was definatly not worth saving, and I don't think tourists will mind if they don't have a perfectly unobstructed view of the harbour from the citadel. If they keep opposing developments like this, the downtown will eventually become lifeless, and without activity, their precious heritage buidings will soon become rundown, and then we have a downtown full of dead heritage building and gigantic holes. If they are so pro heritage and anti development, they can hop the train to Quebec City. Plenty of heritage and a ban on highrise development.
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Thanks for the photos Harlington.

There is a petition is favour of the Nova Centre. It is at this link: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/supp...w Halifax Convention Centre Construction . It is good to see pro-development groups promoting growth and jobs in the Halifax area.
Everybody sign this!!
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Two opposing articles from today's Herald.
What is interesting to me, is that the story in favour allows comments but the story against does not.

PS: Here are one of the comments against the pro-convention article. Are these people serious? Do they really think that people travel to Halifax to see the view from the Citadel? Many visitors to Halifax are business travellers who are there on business.

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Cutting off your nose to spite your face is no solution to the downtown problems either. The tourism element and view from citadel hill is part of what makes this a good convention destination. You remove that and just you have another eastern seaboard slum city. Building a bunch of super towers downtown will do nothing but ruin the bigger value in coming here for tourists. Now the construction barons would tell you otherwise, but their motives are short-term profit, with little concern for long term viability. Plus our tax dollars are funding their retirement homes in Mahone Bay. I do not think much of the heritage group elitism, but it does not change the fact that their message is correct. If you do not preserve history then you will have no tourism. The downtown core is a mess because of the lack of parking, not because of any lack of buildings to put a business in. Adding more structures for offices will just make it even worse. Where is the common sense in the planning office?
Another complained about all the construction in Halifax. Don't these people realize that they live in a city? If they want to live in a village why don't they move to Yarmouth? Having said this, is there a way to minimize the impact of development sites on the appearance of the city without blocking development?

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an article on the cbc website http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2010/03/19/ns-estabrooks-halifax-convention-centre.html
not much to the article, comments a kinda sketchy though
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