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1615 orleans boulevard.
Development of four separate residential buildings consisting of three storey + roof deck townhomes, totally 60 units, in its totality, the four buildings be 2,940 m2.

I'm assuming they are building them in the parking lot rather than replacing the existing plaza?
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1615 orleans boulevard.
Development of four separate residential buildings consisting of three storey + roof deck townhomes, totally 60 units, in its totality, the four buildings be 2,940 m2.

I'm assuming they are building them in the parking lot rather than replacing the existing plaza?
Three storey townhomes is better than single family homes, but it still seems a bit of a waste. I get that towers wouldn't be appropriate, but they could at least put in some low rise apartments with ground level retail.
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1615 orleans boulevard.
Development of four separate residential buildings consisting of three storey + roof deck townhomes, totally 60 units, in its totality, the four buildings be 2,940 m2.

I'm assuming they are building them in the parking lot rather than replacing the existing plaza?
The Loblaws parking lot it seems. Somewhat similar to the Westboro Superstore situation. I wonder if any of the retail will be torn down (I hope not).

Quite a few parking lots in Orleans could use a bit of development. The City's Ray Friel parking facing Tenth Line is 90% empty except when there's a farmers market, which could be moved.

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Three storey townhomes is better than single family homes, but it still seems a bit of a waste. I get that towers wouldn't be appropriate, but they could at least put in some low rise apartments with ground level retail.
Agreed. Three to six storey apartment buildings with lower level retail would be ideal. This should be on a future direct to the O-Train bus route. It's positioning would not cast any shadows on nearby neighbours.
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1615 orleans boulevard.
Development of four separate residential buildings consisting of three storey + roof deck townhomes, totally 60 units, in its totality, the four buildings be 2,940 m2.

I'm assuming they are building them in the parking lot rather than replacing the existing plaza?
Documents are up. Looks like the development is the north end of the lot in that current grassy space and some of the existing parking. There are two design brief files - one with tons of detail but less pictures (larger file). The other with a lot more pictures of the proposed buildings (smaller file).
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Ground Floor - 4000 sq. ft. garage for storage
Second Floor - 1600 sq. ft. work from home office + man cave

Finally getting plain language descriptions for these planning applications
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Documents are up. Looks like the development is the north end of the lot in that current grassy space and some of the existing parking. There are two design brief files - one with tons of detail but less pictures (larger file). The other with a lot more pictures of the proposed buildings (smaller file).
Ok. I thought along Orleans Boulevard, which would have brought down a building.

Orleans Boulevard has more potential to become a main street, so I would expect apartment with ground floor retail. For Jeanne d'Arc, I', fine with what's proposed.
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I'm surprised the accessory use made it past the politically correct filters at City Hall.
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I'm surprised the accessory use made it past the politically correct filters at City Hall.
I was surprised to see "man cave" as well.
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Special forces base at Dwyer Hill will be modernized: $1.4 billion project will see construction of 23 new buildings

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Mar 21, 2023 • Last updated 5 hours ago • 3 minute read




The Canadian military’s special forces base at Dwyer Hill is being modernized in a $1.4 billion project.

Defence Minister Anita Anand announced Tuesday the initiative to construct 23 new buildings at the Dwyer Hill Training Centre or DHTC. The centre is home to the Canadian Forces special forces unit Joint Task Force 2.

The 10-year construction project will meet JTF2’s long-term growth, training, and high-readiness operational needs, according to the Canadian Forces.

Work includes replacing 89 ageing and temporary structures with 23 new facilities; renovating seven buildings; and upgrading the site’s utilities.

Approximately 2,000 jobs will be created throughout the project, with as many as 250 to 300 people working on-site during peak construction periods, according to the federal government. Construction is set to begin in May.

The unit’s training and operations will continue on-site while this work is underway, according to the Canadian Forces.

New or renovated buildings will include modern office, operations and technical shop spaces, as well as a new range, training, warehouse, medical, accommodations, access control, kitchen, mess, ammunition, equipment and vehicle storage facilities.

“This project will more than double the unit’s current work and training spaces with modern, green facilities and create considerable economic opportunities for local businesses and workers in the National Capital Region,” said Anand.

The construction management contract was awarded to EllisDon Corporation of Mississauga, Ont., which will tender all sub-contracts and oversee construction work.

In its 2017 defence policy paper, the Liberal government announced it would increase the size of Canadian special forces and spend $1.5 billion on new equipment ranging from surveillance aircraft to boats. Special forces, it noted at the time, would be increased to around 2,500 but the Liberal government did not detail the timeframe in which this would take place.

The Dwyer Hill base, a former horse farm, was originally built for the RCMP’s counter-terrorism unit. It was taken over by the Department of National Defence in 1993 when JTF2 was created.

In 2008, the Conservative government announced that Joint Task Force 2 would be moved from Ottawa to Canadian Forces Base Trenton, Ont. To prepare for that relocation, the government expropriated a 90-hectare family farm in the area.

At the time, the Canadian Forces noted that moving JTF2 to Trenton would provide it with access to the military’s strategic transport planes, allowing for a rapid response to domestic or international incidents. Trenton is also strategically located along Highway 401, allowing for rapid ground response to nearby major population and economic centres such as Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa, it added. Since the base is also on Lake Ontario, JTF2 can conduct training such as scuba diving or small watercraft operation, according to the Canadian Forces.

But the Conservative decision to move the unit to CFB Trenton was controversial as some members of JTF2 were not keen to leave the Ottawa area.

In addition, there was pushback on the federal government’s 2012 decision to expropriate a 90-hectare farm owned by Frank Meyer for the new JTF2 installation at CFB Trenton. The farm had been in the Meyers family for more than 200 years. Meyers argued that the Canadian Forces already had large tracts of land, and instead could have built the base on property it owns in Mountain View, near Trenton.

When the Canadian Forces took over the farm they tore down barns and built a berm and some access roads. Meyers died on Sept. 15, 2019.

But by then the military was reconsidering the JTF2 move because of costs and the need to keep the unit close to the nation’s capital in case of a terrorist attack.

In February 2020, the Liberal government announced it was no longer considering moving JTF2 to CFB Trenton.

The Canadian Forces had talked about the need for a new base for JTF2 almost since the beginning of the unit’s creation. In 1996, JTF2 warned military leaders that the Dwyer Hill Training Centre was too small and the force should be moved. Any new base, they concluded, should be as close to downtown Ottawa as possible, in case the unit is needed to immediately respond to a terrorist attack. Other options considered over the years were an expansion of Dwyer Hill or moving the unit to CFB Petawawa, where there are already special forces training facilities and installations.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/...ill-see-construction-of-23-new-buildings
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2023, 2:07 PM
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Special forces base expansion to include construction of a bridge across Franktown Road
The 54-metre-long bridge won’t be open to the public, but will instead allow special forces to move equipment and personnel from one portion of the Dwyer Hill Training Centre to another situated across the road.

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Mar 28, 2023 • Last updated 2 hours ago • 3 minute read


A bridge will be built across Franktown Road as part of the $1.4 billion expansion of the Canadian special forces base at Dwyer Hill.

The 54-metre-long bridge won’t be open to the public, but will instead allow special forces to move equipment and personnel from one portion of the Dwyer Hill Training Centre to another situated across the road.

The bridge will span Franktown Road about 300 metres east of the intersection of Franktown Road and Dwyer Hill Road, according to National Defence.

Work on the expansion of the special forces installation, home to Joint Task Force 2, has already started with the clearing of brush. A new security fence will be installed around the property.

In May, contractors will begin moving earth and installing underground utilities and services. Concrete work on the new buildings will start next year.

Work on the bridge is scheduled to start in spring 2026 and be completed in 2027, said National Defence spokesperson Dan Le Bouthillier.

The 10-year construction project at the Dwyer Hill Training Centre will meet JTF2’s long-term growth, training and high-readiness operational needs, according to Defence Minister Anita Anand. Work includes replacing 89 aging and temporary structures with 23 new facilities; renovating seven buildings; and upgrading the site’s utilities.

Approximately 2,000 jobs will be created throughout the project, with as many as 250 to 300 people working on-site during peak construction periods, according to the federal government.

“As with any large infrastructure project, we expect increased traffic from construction vehicles, noise and dust during construction, but will make every effort to minimize impacts to our neighbours and the community as much as possible,” said Le Bouthillier.

Construction work is largely expected to take place between 6 a.m. and 6 p.m., Monday to Friday, he said.

The entrance for construction personnel during construction will be off Jock Trail, but National Defence acknowledged there will be increased traffic on Richmond Road and Dwyer Hill Road.

The main entrance to the training centre will remain on Dwyer Hill Road.

A new entrance for employees will be created off Dwyer Hill Road, south of Franktown Road, Le Bouthillier said.

In addition, National Defence noted it has completed a hydrogeology assessment to look at potential impacts of the construction on local water tables, including nearby residential well water.

“We will also offer to carry out baseline well water tests at nearby properties before construction begins,” Le Bouthillier said. “This will allow us to compare baseline water values to future water test results if any issues or concerns arise during construction.”

The Liberal government quietly awarded the first contract for the work on the Dwyer Hill installation four months ago, but waited until the week U.S. President Joe Biden visited Ottawa before making the announcement.

The Liberals approved the $1.4 billion expansion in June 2022 and government signed the first contract Nov. 22, 2022, according to federal government records. Public consultations and environmental studies for the expansion of the installation had been ongoing since spring 2021, according to the federal government’s website. A total of $800,000 has already been spent on the expansion project.

Military officials privately acknowledged the project announcement was delayed until the week of Biden’s arrival in Ottawa so as to send a message to the U.S. government that Canada is focused on increasing military spending.

But Anand’s spokesperson, Daniel Minden, told this newspaper the announcement was aligned with the beginning of initial work at the Dwyer Hill Training Centre. “We will continue to keep Ottawa residents, and Canadians, up to date on important infrastructure projects like this,” he stated.

In 2008, the Conservative government announced that JTF2 would be moved from Dwyer Hill to Canadian Forces Base Trenton, Ont. To prepare for that relocation, the government expropriated a 90-hectare family farm in the area.

But by 2018, Canadian military leaders decided that JTF2 needed to be close to the nation’s capital in case of a terrorist attack. In February 2020, the Liberal government announced it was no longer considering moving JTF2 to CFB Trenton.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/...uction-of-a-bridge-across-franktown-road
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I thoroughly suck at navigating Gatineau's terrible DevApps website, so here's a dump from images posted by Julien of Rail Fans Canada Discord.

https://www.gatineau.ca/portail/default.aspx?p=nouvelles_annonces/avis_publics&ref=haut-de-page

In old Gatineau.



Hull, 6 floors and 62 units.



Aylmer, 3 floors and 43 units.



And Chemin Vanier, 10 floors and 420 units, 6k sqft of retail.

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Easiest way I've found is to check the demolition notices and scroll down till you see renderings. Not very scientific but there seem to be a few projects every month which escape our notice.
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Giant ammunition dump to be built on farm originally expropriated for JTF2
The installation could have as many as 26 buildings, but the scope of the project is still being worked out by National Defence.

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Apr 25, 2023 • Last updated 3 hours ago • 4 minute read


The Canadian military will build a large-scale ammunition dump on the farm expropriated years ago for its Joint Task Force 2 counter-terrorism unit.

Frank Meyers had his Trenton-area farm expropriated in 2012 for what was supposed to be a new base for JTF2. The farmer had tried for years to fight the expropriation of the 90 hectares that had been in his family for 200 years.

Meyers, who died in 2019 at the age of 91, had argued that JTF2 didn’t need his farm as the military already had significant portions of land in the area that they could relocate the counter-terrorism unit to from its base in Ottawa.

Defence Minister Anita Anand announced in March that JTF2 was not only staying in Ottawa, but that the government would finance a $1.4 billion modernization of the unit’s installation at Dwyer Hill.

The Meyers’ farmland will now be turned into a giant ammunition storage facility. The installation could have as many as 26 buildings, but the scope of the project is still being worked out by National Defence.

“The current ammunition depot at CFB Trenton is simply too small to meet the full storage requirements, and access can be difficult,” National Defence spokesperson Jessica Lamirande told this newspaper. “As such, we will be building a new ammunition compound.”

“We expect to be able to discuss more about this project, including timelines and cost, in the coming year,” she added.

In addition to the ammunition storage complex, some of the former Meyers farm will also be used for development of modern training facilities for the Canadian Joint Incident Response Unit or CJIRU, Lamirande said.

CJIRU, a special forces unit, responds to chemical, biological, nuclear and radiological threats. That $415 million project is currently in the design phase with construction to begin in summer 2024. Construction is expected to be finished in 2029, according to National Defence.

Four new buildings will provide CJIRU with purpose-built office areas, meeting rooms, training facilities, wash bays and warehouse space.

In trying to convince the then-Conservative government not to seize his property, Meyers argued that farmland was precious and was needed to feed the country’s population. Besides, the military already had plenty of land in the Trenton area, particularly near Mountain View, Meyers told this newspaper in a 2014 interview.

In signing the expropriation order to take over the farmland for a new JTF2 base, then-Public Works minister Rona Ambrose stated she was of the opinion the decision was “absolutely essential for the safety and security of Canada.”

Meyers refused the federal government’s payment for his property, even after it expropriated his farm. When he died in 2019, he still hadn’t accepted the payment, an amount that remains confidential.

“The last comment that he would have said to the government that would be printable and more than four letters long would be that they should have put the base expansion at Mountain View … instead of destroying prime agricultural land and disrupting our family farm life,” his son, John Meyers, told the Ontario Farmer newspaper shortly after his father died.

To the end of his life, Meyers continued to demand that his land be returned. Both the Conservative and Liberal governments declined his requests.

The Department of National Defence said it handled the expropriation with sensitivity. Meyers was allowed to keep the original farmhouse in which he was born, his current house across the road and some acreage, it noted.

Meyers’ decision to speak out wasn’t welcomed by many in the Trenton area who expected a major economic boost when hundreds of military families associated with JTF2 were expected to move into the region.

Comments in a local newspaper portrayed the farmer as a millionaire money-grubber standing in the way of progress and jobs for the community. The Belleville Intelligencer accused him of deception. Others portrayed Meyers as a dupe of leftists intent on discrediting the then-Conservative government.

“They say I’m holding up progress, but progress of what?” Meyers said in 2014. “Starving the people? What are you going to do when you run out of farmland? I guess we’ll buy our food from China.”

Meyers was told to vacate his farm by mid-2012, but he defiantly continued to hang on for another year, planting his final crop in 2013. But he was not allowed by the government to harvest that crop.

Construction work on the new JTF2 buildings and expanded installation in Ottawa will begin in May. The 10-year construction project will meet JTF2’s long-term growth, training and high-readiness operational needs, according to the Canadian Forces.

Work includes replacing 89 aging and temporary structures with 23 new facilities; renovating seven buildings; and upgrading the site’s utilities.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/...on-farm-originally-expropriated-for-jtf2
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And Chemin Vanier, 10 floors and 420 units, 6k sqft of retail.

Bulletin Aylmer has a story about this on their front page:



https://www.bulletinaylmer.com/journal-entier

If this goes through then they really have to widen or improve that intersection, because it is already a shitshow.
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420 units directly adjacent to the most congested stretch of road for traffic in all of Eastern Ontario/Western Québec! Perfect! I have spent 45 minutes moving the hundred meters between this site and Allumettieres on many occasions.
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420 units directly adjacent to the most congested stretch of road for traffic in all of Eastern Ontario/Western Québec! Perfect! I have spent 45 minutes moving the hundred meters between this site and Allumettieres on many occasions.
Me too. That Katimavik connection WB on Allumettières should be built soon. Then watch that street turn into a circus.

It's gotten so bad that I avoid it during rush hour completely. I take Pink then Klock to get to downtown Aylmer now.
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A big reason I moved to Aylmer proper from the plateau last year was the traffic congestion. The plateau was a great place to live aside from that. Bringing thousands of new residents in over the last two years made the single lane backbone of the neighborhood an absolute disaster. In addition, it has five roundabouts and a third of the people in the neighborhood have no idea how to use them and come to a complete stop at each one when the circle is empty, causing frequent fender benders and slowing traffic to a crawl, which got me to the point of anger where it was affecting my mental health. That neighborhood needs mass transit and it desperately needs another exit to Allumettieres near Agora/Centrale/Nox.
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A big reason I moved to Aylmer proper from the plateau last year was the traffic congestion. The plateau was a great place to live aside from that. Bringing thousands of new residents in over the last two years made the single lane backbone of the neighborhood an absolute disaster. In addition, it has five roundabouts and a third of the people in the neighborhood have no idea how to use them and come to a complete stop at each one when the circle is empty, causing frequent fender benders and slowing traffic to a crawl, which got me to the point of anger where it was affecting my mental health. That neighborhood needs mass transit and it desperately needs another exit to Allumettieres near Agora/Centrale/Nox.
I wonder if they will ever turn Allumettières into a full freeway from Lac-des-fées to Eardley. At the rate they are adding people to the western part of Gatineau, it should be on the radar.

Widening Pink is not a solution.

I am also very defensive entering those roundabouts on du Plateau.. especially at night when you see someone who forgot to turn on their lights (how do these people get licenses to drive?)
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I have thought about this a lot and I think the best way to improve Allumettieres without being too destructive and without too much expropriation is to sink it like Décarie in Montreal in all of the crossroad sections, all the way from Eardley to Maisonneuve, with the same kind of space saving inline ramps.

As for the headlights....it's an epidemic at this point, on both sides of the river. I'm not sure where all of these cars lacking daytime running lights came from in the last five years, but they are everywhere now. I see completely oblivious idiots driving around in all weather and lighting conditions with no lights these days. Yesterday morning at 6am in pissing rain and near darkness I saw many of them through Gatineau and Ottawa on my commute.
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I have thought about this a lot and I think the best way to improve Allumettieres without being too destructive and without too much expropriation is to sink it like Décarie in Montreal in all of the crossroad sections, all the way from Eardley to Maisonneuve, with the same kind of space saving inline ramps.

As for the headlights....it's an epidemic at this point, on both sides of the river. I'm not sure where all of these cars lacking daytime running lights came from in the last five years, but they are everywhere now. I see completely oblivious idiots driving around in all weather and lighting conditions with no lights these days. Yesterday morning at 6am in pissing rain and near darkness I saw many of them through Gatineau and Ottawa on my commute.
I think they did this in St. Constant here, with the 132, very recently.

My kid turns 16 in August and I hope to god his driving instructor has more brains than these twits I witness daily in Aylmer. Luckily he loves cars so I am not afraid. I took him to Manitoba and let him drive the parents' Mach-E on country roads. I think he's a very capable driver.
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