noirish Los Angeles

[Martin Pal]

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
A police officer writes a turkey a ticket in this undated LAPL photo.
(Can we date it or locate it?)


LAPL/Security Pacific CollectionViaPBSSoCal

Patt Morrison has an interesting article in today's Los Angeles Times:

What gives L.A. That Thanksgiving Feeling?
by Patt Morrison | Los Angeles Times
11/23/23

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...nt-the-weather

Also on AOL:
https://www.aol.com/news/patt-morris...110042478.html

It has this postcard in it:

Union Station ushered in the holidays with its 8th Annual Tree Lighting Ceremony on Monday, Nov. 20. [LAist]

[unihikid]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
A police officer writes a turkey a ticket in this undated LAPL photo.
(Can we date it or locate it?)


LAPL/Security Pacific CollectionViaPBSSoCal

Patt Morrison has an interesting article in today's Los Angeles Times:

What gives L.A. That Thanksgiving Feeling?
by Patt Morrison | Los Angeles Times
11/23/23

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...nt-the-weather

Also on AOL:
https://www.aol.com/news/patt-morris...110042478.html

First glance maybe Huntington Drive near El Sereno because of the hills, but then Edendale might of looked similar during that era, so maybe Glendale Bl and Clifford looking south near the 2?

Happy Thanksgiving!

[Martin Pal]

Thanks, unihikid and a Happy Thanksgiving to you, too!

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

Patt Morrison has an interesting article in today's Los Angeles Times:

What gives L.A. That Thanksgiving Feeling?
by Patt Morrison | Los Angeles Times
11/23/23
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...nt-the-weather
Also on AOL:
https://www.aol.com/news/patt-morris...110042478.html
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In this article Patt Morrison mentions this film: There’s a charming movie from 2000 called “What’s Cooking?” It’s set in Los Angeles, with a damn fine cast playing four families — Black, Vietnamese, Jewish and Latino — bringing their own varied flavors of life and food to the Thanksgiving table, trying in the midst of family freak-outs and cooking catastrophes to pull off the impossible: a perfect Thanksgiving.

Every year I keep recommending people watch this film. I think it's great. It's from the same director who did Bend It Like Beckham. The film is very entertaining. You can also call it a "food movie." If you haven't heard that term: The ingredients for the best "food movies" are universal: visual vitals crafted with care by relatable protagonists. Whether it's the trials of a French chef or the story behind a family recipe, the best food movies center on people, not just pleasing plates." Examples: Babette's Feast, Big Night, Chocolat.

What's Cooking? is great for Thanksgiving and in the article Morrison has a link, which I thought would give information about it, but apparently the whole film is available to watch on youtube for FREE. Let me know what you think if you watch it. PLUS: I cannot believe the film is 23 years old already. I remember seeing it when it came out in 2000. I have the DVD and watch nearly every year. The DVD has recipes on it for things made in the movie!

Here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NTVe43SIhA

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by odinthor

e_r, it's found in the pages of everyone's favorite magazine, Milk Plant Monthly:


Milk Plant Monthly, vol. 13, July 1924, p. 70

Thanks for your help, odinthor. ..Now I see that El Monte is on the truck.


detail

These three seem happy with their jobs.

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[HossC]

Originally Posted by Those Who Squirm!

Hello everyone, it has certainly been a long time since
I was active here. That's what moving to Oregon gets you.

In one of my Facebook groups, someone shared this photo from the Water And Power Association website, looking north from approximately
300 N. Main. (Colorization as on W&P site.)




Here's a tighter view. For orientation purposes, I have marked the Plaza Church belfry, the Merced Theater, and the partially visible roof of the Masonic Hall, all building that are still standing today.



In the distance, notice the surprisingly large building whose roofline and nearest corner I have outlined in orange, and what may have been an exterior stairway leading to an entrance, outlined in red.* It appears to be at least two stories,
given that it's visible beyond the church, and only the top of part of that is visible.

Here's a still tighter crop:



What on earth was it? I'm frankly flabbergasted that there was such a large building there of any kind when this photo was taken.

The exact location is hard to judge as the depth of field seems to be highly compressed, but I'm thinking this could have been across the street (north of) where Italian Hall is now, given the orientation of the building, but there hasn't been anything nearly as large since 1880, that I can think of.

On the FB post, we've been kicking the football around on this for awhile but we haven't come up with a definitive answer.

*What looks like a stairway could possibly be the end of a gable roof
on a nearer building, although the perspective doesn't look quite
right for that. 

Could it be Naud's Warehouse, later the Union Warehouse, built in 1878?


lamag.com

There's some extra information and more pictures here and here.


lamag.com

[Lwize]

I need the help of NLA folks with vintage (Baist?) LA street maps.

Below (was) a small section of west Olympic Blvd (my neighborhood) west of Century City.

Can someone post the same section from BEFORE Olympic went through (or was widened into a major blvd)?
There are orphaned and/or realigned streets as a result.
I want to see what it looked like originally.
TIA!

:image:
(GSV, hosted by me, until my website expired)

[HossC]

The Baist maps don't go that far west, but here's a 1927 aerial. Click the link below the image for a wider, higher resolution version.
NB. I've tweaked the contrast.


mil.library.ucsb.edu

[Flyingwedge]

The David Rumsey Map Collection has the 1938 Thomas Brothers Map, which also shows the area.

[Those Who Squirm!]

Originally Posted by odinthor

No answer yet; but perhaps a couple of things on the road to finding an answer:

I note that the building in question and the proposed staircase are, or seem to me, differently aligned. With that in mind, here is a detail from Wm. Rich Hutton's view of L.A. from the north, 1847 I think.


Detail from Hutton; full original in the Huntington collection, #HM 43214 (32), used by permission at https://home.csulb.edu/~odinthor/botello.html

Note the quadrangle portion out of line with everything else which however is on the same alignment/at the same location as the building in question. I'm not proposing that the one at the quadrangle is the same building as the one in question; but I am proposing that it's a successor-building on the same differently-aligned lot.

Now, from the south:


From Kuchel & Dresel 1857, at same link as above

Note in this detail from Kuchel & Dresel 1857 what appears to be the "staircase" bldg. at center. That's the Plaza Church's tower from the side at left.

I can't make much sense of the faint and sparse pencil sketches, but I agree the building in the last image could be the one with the gable. At first I thought that from the position of the camera we must be looking downward at this structure, and so we should be able to see the entire roofline to the apex of the opposite gable. But again, the depth compression at this distance is so great that we don't get the effect of looking down at something.

[Those Who Squirm!]

Originally Posted by HossC

Could it be Naud's Warehouse, later the Union Warehouse, built in 1878?


lamag.com

There's some extra information and more pictures here and here.


lamag.com

Yes, I'm really liking Naud's Warehouse as the "suspect". The position of the building to the left of Main, looking north, seems to fit the view we have here. The Kerckhoff lumber yard to the right of main answers the question why there seems to be nothing there. Lumber yards don't really stand out, and at this distance a lumber yard might well look like nothing.

A couple of issues, though:

(1) We don't see the ornate upward extension of the elevation, on both visible sides here; however I think we can probably explain that away by the distance with the added effect of a sharpening filter. In the original B&W image it's too blurry to even make a guess about this detail.

(2) We don't see as many windows in the photo as in the line drawing of Naud's. However, that can easily be explained by the possibility of a large wagon, or possibly a train, passing in front of the building as the photo was being taken. I don't know how extensive the freight rail system was in 1880, but in the 1910 Baist map there appear to be major rail routes crossing here.

(3) More critically, in both the line drawing and the photo, the building looks perfectly rectangular, but in both the line drawing map from L.A. Mag and in the 1910 Baist map, the building is missing its SE corner. I think we can infer from either map that North Main was widened at the point where the tracks cross, because it seems that if the width of the street stayed uniform, then there would be room the "missing" corner of the building. It would be nice if we could see an "after" illustration of the Naud building.

Notwithstanding these minor issues, I think this must be correct. There just isn't anything else I think it could possibly be.

[ethereal_reality]

.
A No Nonsense House and a Mystery Location.


"c1890 ANTIQUE LOS ANGELES CA PHOTO VICTORIAN HOUSE ARCHITECTURE DORING GENEALOGY"


link



And the reverse.





So far I've only found this. (information)


lapl


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[odinthor]

Originally Posted by Those Who Squirm!

Hello everyone, it has certainly been a long time since
I was active here. That's what moving to Oregon gets you.

In one of my Facebook groups, someone shared this photo from the Water And Power Association website, looking north from approximately
300 N. Main. (Colorization as on W&P site.)




Here's a tighter view. For orientation purposes, I have marked the Plaza Church belfry, the Merced Theater, and the partially visible roof of the Masonic Hall, all building that are still standing today.



In the distance, notice the surprisingly large building whose roofline and nearest corner I have outlined in orange, and what may have been an exterior stairway leading to an entrance, outlined in red.* It appears to be at least two stories,
given that it's visible beyond the church, and only the top of part of that is visible.

Here's a still tighter crop:



What on earth was it? I'm frankly flabbergasted that there was such a large building there of any kind when this photo was taken.

The exact location is hard to judge as the depth of field seems to be highly compressed, but I'm thinking this could have been across the street (north of) where Italian Hall is now, given the orientation of the building, but there hasn't been anything nearly as large since 1880, that I can think of.

On the FB post, we've been kicking the football around on this for awhile but we haven't come up with a definitive answer.

*What looks like a stairway could possibly be the end of a gable roof
on a nearer building, although the perspective doesn't look quite
right for that. 

Another view of the area in question, from the 1909 birds-eye map. The Naud Warehouse (upper right) is now the Union Warehouse. Plaza Church at lower left, with Pico House as the National Hotel:


LOC

[Lwize]

Originally Posted by HossC

The Baist maps don't go that far west, but here's a 1927 aerial. Click the link below the image for a wider, higher resolution version.
NB. I've tweaked the contrast.

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

The David Rumsey Map Collection has the 1938 Thomas Brothers Map, which also shows the area.

Thanks to both of you.

Now some of the chaotic streetscapes make a little more sense in my 'hood.

Also, it appears the section of Louisiana Avenue in my area was renamed Olympic Blvd. sometime after 1938.

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

.
A No Nonsense House and a Mystery Location.


link


And the reverse.



So far I've only found this. (information)


lapl
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Whoever captioned the back of the photo by handwriting should have printed instead! Doring? Doming? Downing? Dunning?

Well, I think the name was Dominy. How old does Eddie ("Drowned at Redondo") look in the photo, maybe about 10?



June 22, 1903, Los Angeles Record @ Newspapers.com





June 26, 1903, Los Angeles Evening Express @ Newspapers.com


I think the ebay photo shows 1269 E. Adams, the address mentioned in the first article above. The two-story house and
the house on its left seem to match the 1900 Sanborn Map (the 1906 Sanborn shows the two houses eight feet apart,
not the 16 feet indicated below):



Library of Congress

[Those Who Squirm!]

Originally Posted by odinthor

Another view of the area in question, from the 1909 birds-eye map. The Naud Warehouse (upper right) is now the Union Warehouse. Plaza Church at lower left, with Pico House as the National Hotel:


LOC

As in many of these bird's eye maps of the era, the individual buildings seem almost fanciful in their rendering, and even older buildings are made to look "modern" as one would have understood that concept in 1909. Notice for example how the footprint of Italian Hall is shown as perfectly rectangular, instead of trapezoidal as it really is.

That said, it's very helpful to see that a different company was occupying the parcel immediately south of the Naud/Union building, but still north of the crossing, and that the Naud building was rectangular. That second company must have either merged with Union Warehouse or transferred their property or lease to them before 1910, when the Baist map published that year shows the entire property occupied by Union Warehouse.

You have to wonder what all of those little houses or shelters were between Olvera and Main, about halfway along. Were they growing hothouse vegetables? They look like little greenhouses.

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

.
A No Nonsense House and a Mystery Location.


"c1890 ANTIQUE LOS ANGELES CA PHOTO VICTORIAN HOUSE ARCHITECTURE DORING GENEALOGY"


link

And the reverse.

The name Dominy rang a bell. I have some notes on 1269 E Adams--seems it may still stand down at 5511 Compton Avenue.

An ad in the Times on Aug 14, 1916, advertised 1269 E Adams as being for sale--"can be moved anywhere." A building permit was issued to
(indecipherable) on Aug 24, 2016, to move the house to 5511 Compton Avenue.

Arrella, Joe, Edwin and Frank were the children of Alfred and Margaret Banks Dominy. There was also an older son, Charles. Alfred was a prospector by 1900; Sarah Anne Dominy was his mother. Grider & Dow's Subdivision of the Briswalter Tract opened in 1894; Alfred was listed on Elmyra Street off N Main in the 1894 CD, then at 1269 E Adams in 1895, with his occupation as a laborer at the Ganhal Lumber Co. Confusing is that the LA Record of Dec 5, 1902, and the Times of Dec 21 reported that Mrs. A. L. Dominy was having a $1000 "cottage" built at 1269. The 1921 Baist indicates that the lot was empty.

[ethereal_reality]

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Excellent discoveries about the Dominy Family and their home, Flyingwedge and GaylordWilshire.

I hadn't noticed the note on the back of the photograph about Eddie drowning. I should have read it more closely. (but now I'm sad for poor Eddie)
..
The biggest surprise was that the house is still standing!

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[Mackerm]

The thing that's confusing me about Naud Warehouse is that the original photo shows it at a severe angle compared to the plaza church. The Birdseye map shows the Union Warehouse in line with the church.

Could the building be this one, which is at a funny angle for some reason?


Huntington digital library

[Oops. Somebody wrote the Naud's Warehouse was built in 1878, and this map is from 1873. ]


Huntington

Another update. This 1881 map shows the warehouse up against the railroad tracks, which is different from the Birdseye map, but matches the photo.

[Those Who Squirm!]

Originally Posted by Mackerm

The thing that's confusing me about Naud Warehouse is that the original photo shows it at a severe angle compared to the plaza church. The Birdseye map shows the Union Warehouse in line with the church.

Could the building be this one, which is at a funny angle for some reason?


Huntington digital library

[Oops. Somebody wrote the Naud's Warehouse was built in 1878, and this map is from 1873. ]


Huntington

Another update. This 1881 map shows the warehouse up against the railroad tracks, which is different from the Birdseye map, but matches the photo.

As your second map shows, the warehouse originally had a frontage along Alameda, not Main, so that alone accounts partially for the severe angle. The map posted by HossC in post #60985 concurs. Additionally, the highly compressed depth of field must make that angle appear even more severe than it is.

When it comes to details like the exact placement and footprints of individual buildings, the 1909 bird's eye map is mostly booster hogwash, intended to make the city look as up to date as possible, Buildings are shown to be uniform and rectilinear whether they were or not and I suspect taller in many cases. I wouldn't rely on a bird's eye map from this era in the same way as a Baist or Sanborn map.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

The David Rumsey Map Collection has the 1938 Thomas Brothers Map, which also shows the area.

Another Thomas Bros Map, circa 1943, depicts further development. https://digital.library.ucla.edu/cat...21198/z1r25h3v



Although unrelated, both the '38 map and '43 map includes the vestigial "Barnes City" which is/was south of Culver City and Mar Vista. https://lamag.com/news/citydig-barne...ng-lost-circus Barnes City was evidently the home of Tusko the elephant. https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=27214