HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Hamilton > Downtown & City of Hamilton


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #6021  
Old Posted Sep 29, 2024, 11:45 PM
Allroadsleadtoham Allroadsleadtoham is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2023
Posts: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCTed View Post
Homeless/druggies are not vermin and some of them may be the salt of the earth, but that is not really relevant when discussing this problem. Open air drug use might not be "diddling", but it is still not something that people want to be exposed to or have their children exposed to. These people do still commit crimes. They do steal. They do frighten women, children, men. They pee and poop where people should not pee and poop. They smell bad. They yell. They fight with one another. They stand in the middle of live traffic. They lie unconscious on the sidewalk. They are also far more likely to do some of the other "bad" things you mentioned than are people from the general population.

Even if you were to learn that all of these down-on-their-luckers have hearts of gold, they would still represent a problem. They make for an unpleasant/uncomfortable/potentially unsafe experience, whether you have sympathy/empathy for them or not.

And this particular problem may well be continent-wide, but it is still a major problem that just means that it is a shared major problem. And it is particularly visible/acute in Hamilton. And people can be concerned about the problem and/or turned off by it without being obligated to take individual action to try to help fix it. And they do unquestionably make for a more difficult business climate. And they do threaten the future vibrancy/prosperity of downtown Hamilton.
Drug users create a demand for illegal substances, allowing drug dealers to thrive, this will explain the shooting and stabbings. This demand fosters competition among dealers for territory, leading to violence and conflict. As dealers vie for control, communities, particularly in our downtown core, suffer from increased crime and instability, impacting local businesses. This cycle not only harms individuals but has broader social consequences, highlighting the need to address both addiction and drug trafficking. The rise in violence underscores the urgency to stop enabling drug use. We must arrest both drug dealers and users. The judicial system may be overworked, but it needs reform to effectively tackle this issue. If our leaders fail to act, we risk voting for alternatives that may not align with progressive values. Our downtown core has become a makeshift shelter; we were making progress, and we must continue that trajectory.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6022  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2024, 2:34 AM
King&James's Avatar
King&James King&James is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 1,321
We really need to overclub and put an end to drug use, dealing, guns and violence in the downtown. Bring on the police presence on every block and high quality surveillance cameras.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6023  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2024, 10:23 PM
TheHonestMaple's Avatar
TheHonestMaple TheHonestMaple is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,833
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allroadsleadtoham View Post
Drug users create a demand for illegal substances, allowing drug dealers to thrive, this will explain the shooting and stabbings. This demand fosters competition among dealers for territory, leading to violence and conflict. As dealers vie for control, communities, particularly in our downtown core, suffer from increased crime and instability, impacting local businesses. This cycle not only harms individuals but has broader social consequences, highlighting the need to address both addiction and drug trafficking. The rise in violence underscores the urgency to stop enabling drug use. We must arrest both drug dealers and users. The judicial system may be overworked, but it needs reform to effectively tackle this issue. If our leaders fail to act, we risk voting for alternatives that may not align with progressive values. Our downtown core has become a makeshift shelter; we were making progress, and we must continue that trajectory.
well said. That's what many, well intentioned, people don't realize. Allowing drug fueled schizophrenia people to wander around or downtown is not only dangerous on it's own. It's feeding into a larger criminal underground, that's driving up all sorts of other crime. Including deadly shootings.

I really don't understand progressive drug policies. It fails in every single instance that it's tried. Yet these left wing governments will continue it over and over.

Glad Danko called out today the lunatics that are proposing community bins full of free needles and pipes all over the downtown. Absolutely wild stuff.

The Greater Hamilton Health Network (GHHN) is proposing setting up numerous "HealthBoxes" in the downtown core that would contain free needles and meth pipes for addicts to take for free.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6024  
Old Posted Oct 1, 2024, 1:29 AM
Chronamut's Avatar
Chronamut Chronamut is offline
Hamilton Historian
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 3,237
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHonestMaple View Post
well said. That's what many, well intentioned, people don't realize. Allowing drug fueled schizophrenia people to wander around or downtown is not only dangerous on it's own. It's feeding into a larger criminal underground, that's driving up all sorts of other crime. Including deadly shootings.

I really don't understand progressive drug policies. It fails in every single instance that it's tried. Yet these left wing governments will continue it over and over.

Glad Danko called out today the lunatics that are proposing community bins full of free needles and pipes all over the downtown. Absolutely wild stuff.

The Greater Hamilton Health Network (GHHN) is proposing setting up numerous "HealthBoxes" in the downtown core that would contain free needles and meth pipes for addicts to take for free.
This reminds me of the first season of "fallout" where raiders come in and kill everyone and they put them all in a makeshift jail and try to "reform" them and it's clearly not working.

You're just gonna have needles and pipes strewn everywhere which has happened in the past - I remember as a kid being told not to touch needles if you find them lying around.. imagine how many you'd find after that..
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6025  
Old Posted Oct 1, 2024, 2:25 AM
TheHonestMaple's Avatar
TheHonestMaple TheHonestMaple is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,833
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chronamut View Post
This reminds me of the first season of "fallout" where raiders come in and kill everyone and they put them all in a makeshift jail and try to "reform" them and it's clearly not working.

You're just gonna have needles and pipes strewn everywhere which has happened in the past - I remember as a kid being told not to touch needles if you find them lying around.. imagine how many you'd find after that..
It's insane. Then if you try to discuss this topic just about anywhere you're told that you're offending people and you need to take the discussion somewhere else. The censorship on these forums is almost as shocking as the state of our city.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6026  
Old Posted Oct 2, 2024, 2:03 PM
jonny24 jonny24 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Caledonia, often in Hamilton and Norfolk
Posts: 1,734
I think it's pretty clear things have taken a turn for the worse, and it's difficult to reverse the overall change in direction.

I don't live downtown, I'm near THF for the last 6 years, but the house across from me seems representative of the overall trend. When we moved in the owner was renovating after her brother destroyed it by using it as a crack house after they inherited it. Totally redone down to the studs, nice renters for a while, things were good.

...It's currently once again devolving into some sort of drug house again, with the current neighbour running a gang of guys on bikes out of the garage. The other afternoon I'm fixing my deck listening to him trying to keep buddy from nodding off on his back porch and deciding whether to drag him to the hospital or not. I get up at 6 for work and they're still going from whatever bender they're on. Cars showing up at all times of night followed by shouting about who owes money to who.

He tried to sell me an antique desk, opens it up and goes "Oh, don't worry, I'll get all the crack cleaned out of it" cus it's full of all sorts of crumbs of stuff...

He's been to jail twice since the beginning of the summer, always back in two weeks and on we go.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6027  
Old Posted Oct 9, 2024, 1:07 PM
SteelTown's Avatar
SteelTown SteelTown is offline
It's Hammer Time
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 20,364
‘A sense of safety’: Downtown business owners in Hamilton praise increased police presence

https://www.chch.com/a-sense-of-safety-d...nce/?mc_cid=9e917c8e18&mc_eid=30335158ea

Several local business owners and residents in downtown Hamilton say the police department’s recent expansion of its Core Patrol program has had a positive effect.

Last month, the force announced its plans to increase the amount of on-the-ground officers it assigns to the downtown beat.

The increase was officially rolled out on Sept. 16 and increased the program from four to six constables.

They’re divided into three teams and patrol an area that extends from Wellington Street to Bay Street between Cannon Street and Hunter Street.

The project was started in June of 2023, after a community survey found a majority of business owners with store-fronts in the area reported feeling “unsafe,” citing concerns of social disorder, physical disorder, crime and harassment.

Now, the Core Patrol team monitors the area on foot, by bike and has most recently deployed the use of a drone — something the department says will enhance its ability to “appropriately respond to calls for service in the area.”

“They have brought back a sense of safety and security to our staff so it’s great to see them come in,” Morgan MacKenzie, an employee at Denninger’s said.

Const. Adam Kimber says his goal is to speak with local businesses in the area, develop rapport and create a presence that deters criminal activity in the area, something some see as a daunting task.

“So much homeless, so much,” Rowaid Hanna, a barber at King Kutz said is a major part of the problem. “They need to work on it.”
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6028  
Old Posted Oct 10, 2024, 1:56 PM
King&James's Avatar
King&James King&James is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 1,321
Quote:
Originally Posted by King&James View Post
We really need to overclub and put an end to drug use, dealing, guns and violence in the downtown. Bring on the police presence on every block and high quality surveillance cameras.
I can't imagine the Police are trolling this board for suggestions! Bring on the cameras!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6029  
Old Posted Oct 14, 2024, 12:13 AM
Chronamut's Avatar
Chronamut Chronamut is offline
Hamilton Historian
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 3,237
Remember when hamilton was mafia owned? Problems just magically disappeared on their own..

..that and bakeries...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6030  
Old Posted Oct 18, 2024, 7:49 PM
SteelTown's Avatar
SteelTown SteelTown is offline
It's Hammer Time
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 20,364
Hamilton to make seven lower-city green spaces no-go zones for encampments
Planned influx in temporary indoor shelter spaces at issue, Ward 3 councillor says

https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-re...2ce0ba2c41.html#tncms-source=hot-stories

Hamilton council plans to make seven lower-city green spaces no-go zones for encampments as it brings 192 additional temporary shelter spaces online.

Those extra shelter beds will have a “spillover” effect, drawing people to where tents are already pitched in parks in Ward 3, Coun. Nrinder Nann says.

That was the dynamic with a temporary shelter operation at the Old Cathedral Boys’ school at Main and Emerald streets, Nann told The Spectator.

“There have been more people congregating in parks adjacent.”

In a 12-2 vote Wednesday, council gave initial approval for the encampment prohibition at seven locations in Ward 3 once the additional shelter spaces are opened up in coming weeks.

The policy for the locations, which awaits a final nod next week, are based on a one-kilometre radial separation from shelter locations in Ward 3:

J.C. Beemer Park, Bishop’s Park, Claremont Access Parkettes, Carter Park, Myrtle Park, 298 Hunter St. E. (a green space west of the Claremont Access), and a stretch of the rail trail between Wellington Street South and Sherman Avenue North.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6031  
Old Posted Oct 22, 2024, 3:03 PM
SteelTown's Avatar
SteelTown SteelTown is offline
It's Hammer Time
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 20,364
Growing controversy: Hamilton debates hiatus for popular hanging flower baskets
Downtown business group pleading with city to keep the beautification program
https://www.thespec.com/news/council/gro...ce76672-20d7-528a-aa73-633794d7a9f9.html

Hamilton horticultural staff want to stop hanging colourful flower baskets above city streets — at least for now — over fears the dangling 75-pound planters will fall on passersby.

Budget challenges and environmental concerns also play into the contentious recommendation to “pause” the long-running floral display.

The hanging basket program annually dangles 701 floral baskets above the heads of visitors to downtown and other commercial go-to locations.

But a new city report is recommending a “pause” and review of the $145,000 program in 2025 based on a list of concerns topped by safety — in particular, uncertainty about the reliability of aging brackets used to hold the soil-filled baskets above city sidewalks.

Environmental services director Cynthia Graham told councillors last week there have been no “incidents of harm” from falling planter buckets, but a recent asset management review revealed there is no set inspection program for the brackets.

Horticultural staff report wear and rust are affecting some of the brackets, which hold planters weighing between 60 and 75 pounds each.

Contracted workers who water the baskets at night — a practice meant to avoid daytime traffic backups — also report having “been harassed or experienced assaults” in recent times.

Graham also noted there is a growing “disconnect” between the program and council priorities around climate change and biodiversity.

For example, she said hanging baskets require more watering than planted boulevards — which means more gas-powered visits by water trucks. Council is also pursuing a biodiversity action plan that calls for more native plants, which are not often used in hanging baskets.

The proposed hiatus spurred a written appeal from the International Village Business Improvement Area, which argued ending the basket program even temporarily would leave “a void” in Hamilton’s already struggling downtown.

“Downtown Hamilton is currently facing several challenges that the BIAs are trying to manage on a daily basis,” wrote International Village executive director Susie Braithwaite. “Taking away programs like this will only add to the frustrations that the businesses are facing in the core. If anything, we need extra attention and supports now more than ever.”

She also wrote the BIA does not have the funding to take over hanging baskets in its area, an option suggested in the city staff report.

The pitch literally split councillors at a public works committee last week, with the program hiatus failing to earn approval on a 6-6 tie vote.

If that decision stands, city staff will bring a program spending hike request to council for consideration during the 2025 budget deliberations to handle additional contract and safety costs, Graham said.

The hiatus debate is expected to be revisited Wednesday at council, however.

Downtown councillor Cameron Kroetsch said via email he hoped to approach other councillors ahead of the meeting to find amendments to the staff recommendation that are more widely acceptable.

At last week’s meeting, Kroetsch said he understood the public safety aspect of the staff request for a basket hiatus. “We don’t want to put anyone in harm’s way,” he said.

But he also suggested the city should look at alternative beautification “enhancements” for areas posed to lose hanging baskets temporarily.

Stoney Creek councillor Jeff Beattie questioned why city staff didn’t come to council first with options to keep the beautification program alive.

“I think the timing of this is bad,” said Beattie, who noted the challenges facing BIAs across the city. “I’m really concerned that if this project is pause for a year, it many never come back.”
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6032  
Old Posted Oct 24, 2024, 12:38 PM
King&James's Avatar
King&James King&James is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 1,321
Rome is burning, let's focus on the hanging pots. Good work City Hall.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6033  
Old Posted Oct 24, 2024, 12:56 PM
Hawrylyshyn's Avatar
Hawrylyshyn Hawrylyshyn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Ontario
Posts: 2,275
Quote:
Originally Posted by King&James View Post
Rome is burning, let's focus on the hanging pots. Good work City Hall.
Hanging pots are the #1 threat to public safety downtown!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6034  
Old Posted Nov 1, 2024, 7:32 PM
ihateittoo's Avatar
ihateittoo ihateittoo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: hamiltron//montreal
Posts: 273
The casbah (and la luna) are closing in january to make way for a condo project apparently...

https://hamiltoncitymagazine.ca/exclusive-beloved-casbah-will-soon-stop-rockin/
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6035  
Old Posted Nov 1, 2024, 7:52 PM
Hawrylyshyn's Avatar
Hawrylyshyn Hawrylyshyn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Ontario
Posts: 2,275
Quote:
Originally Posted by ihateittoo View Post
The casbah (and la luna) are closing in january to make way for a condo project apparently...

https://hamiltoncitymagazine.ca/exclusive-beloved-casbah-will-soon-stop-rockin/
290 King Street West | 87.95m| 27 fl | Proposed

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6036  
Old Posted Nov 2, 2024, 12:16 AM
Dylbot Dylbot is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2023
Posts: 5
Really hurts to lose the Casbah. Really great venue. But it makes sense to put something big on that corner. Here’s hoping the Casbah relocates somewhere.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6037  
Old Posted Nov 11, 2024, 2:56 PM
ihateittoo's Avatar
ihateittoo ihateittoo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: hamiltron//montreal
Posts: 273
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6038  
Old Posted Nov 11, 2024, 3:06 PM
drpgq drpgq is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Hamilton/Dresden
Posts: 1,859
Anyone remember what year the building collapsed beside the one that just collapsed?

I had a friend who had a bar in it a few years before it collapsed, which I can't remember the name of.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6039  
Old Posted Nov 11, 2024, 3:22 PM
ihateittoo's Avatar
ihateittoo ihateittoo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: hamiltron//montreal
Posts: 273
There was the old Caesars building with the bar on the second floor that also was used as a music venue. The name escapes me at the moment. The bar changed hands a few times.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6040  
Old Posted Nov 11, 2024, 6:09 PM
Chronamut's Avatar
Chronamut Chronamut is offline
Hamilton Historian
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 3,237
Quote:
Originally Posted by ihateittoo View Post
...not yet - they still have 2 more buildings to go. In all fairness, with the removal of the building beside it collapsing was inevitable - as it was never designed to support itself - the building beside it was what kept it stable. The other 2? I am not sure - they were originally built with more stone I believe. But time will till. They need to be held accountable though.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Hamilton > Downtown & City of Hamilton
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 7:28 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.