NEW YORK | 350 Park Avenue | 1,413 FT | 62 FLOORS

[NYguy]

^ Nice! That looks to be at the 1,350 ft height.

Originally Posted by Charmy2

I've never loved and equally hated a new design as much as this one. My personal fave was the first design, but the second one was also good. I still like this one don't get me wrong!

This tower will likely be further refined. I like that they're showing a willingness to build tall. As strictly an office tower, we don't get a lot of that, at least at this height.

BTW, at 1.8 msf, this tower is almost as large as 270 Park's 1.9 msf of space.

“Today, we are doubling down on our efforts to build a ‘New’ New York with a project that will help supercharge our economy and expand New York City’s iconic skyline,” said Mayor Adams.

I always say, we haven't seen the best New York. The skyline is always changing.

[chris08876]

Plans for Park Avenue office building unveiled

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Mayor Eric Adams helped unveil plans to build a new 62-story office tower on Manhattan's Park Avenue on Tuesday, but questions remain as to whether there is enough demand for more office space in NYC.

[NYguy]

I wonder why the city chose to push this tower as a symbol of rebirth, rather than 175 Park, especially considering the formal review won’t begin until Jan or Feb. But I’m guessing a lot has to do with the anchor tenant (Citadel) making that committment. Even if that happened a year ago. Still, when 175 Park announces a tenant, I’m sure the mayor will publicize it too. This is what Hochul should be doing with Affirmation Tower.

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by NYguy

I wonder why the city chose to push this tower as a symbol of rebirth, rather than 175 Park, especially considering the formal review won’t begin until Jan or Feb. But I’m guessing a lot has to do with the anchor tenant (Citadel) making that committment. Even if that happened a year ago. Still, when 175 Park announces a tenant, I’m sure the mayor will publicize it too. This is what Hochul should be doing with Affirmation Tower.

Yes, especially since Citadel is in the financial service industry and the mayor want to tell the world that NYC remains the undisputed financial capital and financial companies continue to expand there. I've seen articles mentioning that Dallas is catching up to NYC in financial service jobs and I am sure the mayor is aware of those articles and the 'competition' from TX. For example, there was an article (I think from the WSJ) mentioning that even though JPMC is building the new HQ in NYC, the company has more employees in Texas and a huge number in Dallas and all of these other financial companies were adding new offices and thousands of employees there rather than NY state. And I recall a year or two ago, the NYSE was flirting with relocating the NJ back offices operations to Dallas because of some planned new trading tax. But of course, Dallas is not the financial capital of the world even as it gains a lot of financial service jobs. And NY continues to attract new financial service jobs even as hedge fund billionaires move down to Florida or businesses expand in TX because of lower taxes and cheaper costs.

[Busy Bee]

When that easement diagram was posted a few months back my first thought was that slight wedge was to account for the extent of sway at the very top under the most extreme conditions. Is that a possibility of what that is showing?

[Busy Bee]

If I'm reading that legal description correctly it basically says that 477 Madison if replaced would essentially be required to be more or less the same building in terms of overall height and setbacks. Bummer cause that would pretty much lock in amber 477 as it is since taking fuller advantage of the lot has been made impossible by the easement leaving a radical gut renovation as the only possible scenario to maximize building value.

What I don't understand though is IF the western elevation of 350 Park IS in fact an almost entirely solid concrete "shifted core" - why the air rights easement at all? Or at least why a height limit so low (Elev + 377.7'), especially for 477 which is a better candidate for replacement than its northern neighbor? If the western facade is more or less windowless you would think the easement would allow a higher height threshold for a theoretical replacement scenario for the Madison buildings. An agreement limiting SIGNIFICANT heights above the current roof heights is sensible as the "grantee" 350 Park would want to preserve the siloette and profile by limited height of adjoining structures. But that does not explain why the easement height limits are set at the current structures height essentially preventing any and all vertical enlargements of those building envelopes no matter how reasonable and non-interfering. Kind of weird this arrangement is so inflexible for the Madison buildings owners. What did they receive in return?

[ChiND]

I can see 477 Madisonbeing replaced even if it can’t grow in size. I suspect that Aby cautiously spent de minimus funds for its “upgrade” looking ahead to future redevelopment. With all of the lavish office projects being built on Park, the demand for a five-star hotel in this immediate vicinity is acute. Can you imagine an uber-luxury hotel topped off by some condos? While they might not have park views, it would still do very well.

I’d like to see something like this.

[Crawford]

I can't wait to see the plans for the Roosevelt Hotel site. This corridor is going to be the most epic office corridor on earth.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I can't wait to see the plans for the Roosevelt Hotel site. This corridor is going to be the most epic office corridor on earth.

I agree. Also, hopefully, the Roosevelt’s office component may be small enough (e.g., 500k-700k sf) to build on spec., especially if a Middle Eastern sovereign wealth fund partners with the Pakistanis and whatever developer is chosen.

[O-tacular]

I like this version much more than the last boxes with terraces design. We'll see if it ends up going ahead in this form or changes again. The base is a bit fat for my liking but the colonnade looks good. Foster seems to be on a real kick lately with these buildings composed of slices / layers. It's like a half version of 270 Park Avenue.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

I like this version much more than the last boxes with terraces design. We'll see if it ends up going ahead in this form or changes again. The base is a bit fat for my liking but the colonnade looks good. Foster seems to be on a real kick lately with these buildings composed of slices / layers. It's like a half version of 270 Park Avenue.

I’m sure this one will be refined in greater detail further down the line, but is pretty much the basic form. When you look at it, all 3 concepts are similar in concept.

[NYguy]

Design is pretty much in line with this earlier 270 Park graphic as far as setbacks go....

[mrnyc]

the tower design is fine, if not spectactular. it is more modern and sleeker than the previous designs and it will complement chase well.

there look to be two outstanding features, first of all the curved glass. i am getting manhattan west vibes and that would be a very good thing as the glass there is top shelf.

second and best of all for most people is the major improvement and expansion of the base plaza. the base on the first version of this tower was crap and the hanging boxes iteration wasn’t much better. it looks clean and terrific at the streetlevel base and so its a win for pedestrians.

[NYguy]

One thing I overlooked in the mayor’s press release…

After filing an application with the New York City Department of City Planning, Vornado Realty Trust, Kenneth Griffin, and Rudin are advancing a new tower that will deliver 1.8 million square feet of commercial office space, a new public concourse, and more than $35.8 million for the city’s East Midtown Public Realm Improvement Fund.

The pre-certification process (the long process before we get to scoping) has begun. So, in a way, approvals have begun.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I can't wait to see the plans for the Roosevelt Hotel site. This corridor is going to be the most epic office corridor on earth.

The block directly across from the Waldorf, containing two mid office buildings, should be redeveloped down the line.

https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/bui...k-avenue/15326

Originally Posted by mrnyc

the tower design is fine, if not spectactular. it is more modern and sleeker than the previous designs and it will complement chase well.

there look to be two outstanding features, first of all the curved glass. i am getting manhattan west vibes and that would be a very good thing as the glass there is top shelf.

second and best of all for most people is the major improvement and expansion of the base plaza. the base on the first version of this tower was crap and the hanging boxes iteration wasn’t much better. it looks clean and terrific at the streetlevel base and so its a win for pedestrians.

Also, you don’t usually see bay windows on office towers in Manhattan.

[ChiND]

While every city in America can’t build their traditional ten-story office tower upon a fifteen-story, exposed concrete garage, the Financial Capital of the World continues to build stunning supertowers!

All hail Ken Griffen and Jamie D. Next up to the plate: Scott Rechler!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by DZH22

I like that all the setbacks are on one side and it has that full vertical wall on the other. It doesn't look 1600' though in context with the rest of the towers.

Oh, I wouldn't judge height based on that rendering. We don't know how old that rendering is, or if it even reflects the final design. The original renderings weren't accurate either as far as that goes. We may be hearing more about this tower sooner, since they expect to begin the approvals process early next year.

I do wonder though if this tower will taper in a similar fashion to 270 Park Avenue. That would give it an even better profile viewed directly from the east or west.

[TREPYE]

Originally Posted by ChiND

While every city in America can’t build their traditional ten-story office tower upon a fifteen-story, exposed concrete garage, the Financial Capital of the World continues to build stunning supertowers!

All hail Ken Griffen and Jamie D. Next up to the plate: Scott Rechler!

The design is basically half of the 270 Park Ave north-south massing.... without the cool subtle tapering effect from east-west massing. Very blasé and mundane.

More so, at 1600' height its bound to have the horrific skyline-killing effects of downtown's 1 Chase Plaza which in the 60s blunted skyline views of 70 Pine Street and 40 Wall Streets beautiful and graceful spire massings. In this case this will blunt off the crowns and spired of 1 Vanderbilt, 270 Park, (and hopefully) 175 Park Ave.

[TonyNYC]

More so, at 1600' height its bound to have the horrific skyline-killing effects of downtown's 1 Chase Plaza which in the 60s blunted skyline views of 70 Pine Street and 40 Wall Streets beautiful and graceful spire massings. In this case this will blunt off the crowns and spired of 1 Vanderbilt, 270 Park, (and hopefully) 175 Park Ave.[/QUOTE]

Everyone has their own opinion... I think it looks great and fits in well with the other towers on Park.

As for blunting off the crowns and spires.. 270 Park has no effect on those buildings from the East, West and South... just from the north.

[TKD]

Originally Posted by TREPYE

The design is basically half of the 270 Park Ave north-south massing.... without the cool subtle tapering effect from east-west massing.

It is tapered on the East/West sides though.