Winnipeg Jets

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by wayward_prince

it was the whole 'golden Jet' thing. Hull's nickname from the NHL. .

umm...since the name winnipeg jets existed 4 years before bobby hull signed with the team, your statement is bogus...as usual....i posted the origin of the name.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by wayward_prince

the thompson's are going to buy a team and move it to Winnipeg? Do you have any idea how many false statements you have made about practically everything on this site in the past few years and no one takes the time to point this out? The Thompsons are going to move an NHL team to Winnipeg..LMAO

yeah, uh big guy......i'm just quoting the free press, CBC, TSN and basically every other media outlet in the country....what's your source?

the thompson's own an AHL hockey team in winnipeg...as well as an arena....why is it such a stretch to think that they might own an NHL team too?...seems pretty logical actually.

it seems more unbelievable that they would own an AHL team in winnipeg...but they do.


i believe i have asked you to point out my false statements before...im waiting.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

Where do you get your facts from? According to here, Jim Balsille was the 18th richest person in Canada last year. 19th belongs to Winnipeg's richest. I count only one other Winnipeger on the list of 100 richest people in Canada. Anyways, continue...

number 78 is also a winnipegger....a few years ago, the aspers were in the mid 20's....and the defehr's were in the 90's....how the mighty have fallen.

regardless...compare three winnipeggers on that list to the number of people from edmonton (4), ottawa (2), hamilton (0) and quebec city (0)....

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by trueviking

yeah, uh big guy......i'm just quoting the free press, CBC, TSN and basically every other media outlet in the country....what's your source?

the thompson's own an AHL hockey team in winnipeg...as well as an arena....why is it such a stretch to think that they might own an NHL team too?...seems pretty logical actually.

it seems more unbelievable that they would own an AHL team in winnipeg...but they do.

They do? I've never heard that before. I take it that one of their holding companies has an interest in the team, probably as part of the deal for selling the Eaton's building. As our spelling guru Adrian pointed out earlier, the name of Canada's richest family is "Thomson" ... not "Thompson". "Thomson" is Scottish; "Thompson" is English.

[grumpy old man]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

You never mentioned how many were located in Waterloo (3), a fraction of the size of Winnipeg, and how many are in nearby Toronto (26). Both are very close to Hamilton. One can say the same for Montreal (17) near Quebec. Sounds like Winnipeg or Manitoba for that matter doesn't actually have as many wealthy people as some might think.

Your reference to Waterloo and Toronto is oblique. What has that to do with the price of tea in China?

Keep in mind the context of that conversation.

[grumpy old man]

Originally Posted by Andy6

They do? I've never heard that before. I take it that one of their holding companies has an interest in the team, probably as part of the deal for selling the Eaton's building. As our spelling guru Adrian pointed out earlier, the name of Canada's richest family is "Thomson" ... not "Thompson". "Thomson" is Scottish; "Thompson" is English.

I think it is only now becoming known what role the Thomson's play in True North and the MTS Centre.

It seems they are part owner's in that company. It was suggested they play a prominent role in managing that company as well. Perhaps through a subsidiary.

Makes for juicy gossip and gives the passionate Jets fans hope...

[wags_in_the_peg]

also remember, that many teams (in all major sports) are not always owned by a "local boy".

GO JETS GO

[Rottie]

Met someone a while ago who used to work at MTS and that person told me the arena as it stood then was not capable of housing NHL hockey, they cheaped out on certain aspects during construction, still have the tube TV's in the corridors and stuff like that plus it only seats 15,000. Is there any truth to this? I know it only seats around 15,000 but is there room for expansion if neccessary? Didn't they build the place with a future NHL team in mind? One day I believe NHL will be back in Winnipeg, sooner rather than later. The Jets never should have left in the first place.

[Boreal]

djforsberg:
Regarding the number of notable wealthy people living in the Winnipeg metro, I think it is foolish to suggest that abundance matters (at the level of billionaire). All you need is one (Thomson) to make a go of things, and that person can be living in any jurisdiction in the Milky Way. Money is beautifully transferable, freely between the pencil lines on a map. Whether or not there are 20 hometown billionaires on a list is a superficial measuring stick at best. However, I suppose if you're looking for a veiled means to grind your axe of regionalism, this is as good a stone as any.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

You never mentioned how many were located in Waterloo (3), a fraction of the size of Winnipeg, and how many are in nearby Toronto (26). Both are very close to Hamilton. One can say the same for Montreal (17) near Quebec. Sounds like Winnipeg or Manitoba for that matter doesn't actually have as many wealthy people as some might think.

huh?...im not really sure what your point in all this is, but who cares about waterloo?....and who cares about montreal or toronto?....should i include the billionarres in minneapolis for winnipeg?....i think you would have a hard time convincing the people of montreal that it is the same as quebec....the same for hamilton and toronto....

i was merely pointing out that the smaller cities with NHL teams, or those that seem to be in the mix for teams have no more ultra rich than winnipeg...you seemed to be making some point that winnipeg has only 3 on that list and was somehow less than the norm...i just wanted to make sure that you understood that winnipeg is no different than the other comprable cities.

edmonton was for decades and calgary is today owned by an ammalgamation of very rich people....not one single ultra rich person, so your point isnt totally valid anyways.

[SteelTown]

Originally Posted by trueviking

number 78 is also a winnipegger....a few years ago, the aspers were in the mid 20's....and the defehr's were in the 90's....how the mighty have fallen.

regardless...compare three winnipeggers on that list to the number of people from edmonton (4), ottawa (2), hamilton (0) and quebec city (0)....

Hamilton (1) Michael Lee-Chin (#16 on the list) lives in Flamborough, which is part of Hamilton. Could count another one but his main residence is in Bermuda, Michael DeGroote (#39 on the list). There's also of course Ron Joyce but the list puts him in Calgary, never knew that. Back in the early 90's he wanted an NHL team but of course NHL denied him.

[rypinion]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

I was just calling out the person who made the silly post saying "there are people in Winnipeg rich enough - even richer than Jim Balsillie" even though his own source proved that wrong.

Silly post? If Balsillie is rich enough to own an NHL team, then the Richardsons (which as per the source is only $30 million "poorer" than Balsillie) surely are. That's all I was pointing out. Yes, I accidentally reversed them in the list when I further commented on it.

[grumpy old man]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

One reason, is the lack of support Winnipeg has for its professional football team. And I'm not saying just this year with your brutal coach, but in the last few years. In 2007 (where your team eventually played in the Grey Cup, almost winning it), your playoff game wasn't even close to being sold out, while in Regina, it was packed and just as cold for our playoff game. You guys should prove you can be sports fans by supporting your football team, then maybe it'll attract the attention of someone outside of Winnipeg who would foot the bill to bring a team there.

So you make your judgement based upon one football game? Well, that makes sense.

Let's assume attendance at a CFL game has any bearing on attendance at an NHL game, then maybe look a little harder at the stat's. Maybe expand your scope to two or more games.

And might I suggest people in glass houses not throw stones. Do some research first. Maybe look at attendance at Regina games. Consider looking at more than one game.

Sheesh.

[chrisallard5454]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

I was just calling out the person who made the silly post saying "there are people in Winnipeg rich enough - even richer than Jim Balsillie" even though his own source proved that wrong. I live close to Winnipeg, and would have nothing against you guys having an NHL team, but I just don't think it will happen any time soon, whether or not there is an abundance of rich people in Winnipeg. One reason, is the lack of support Winnipeg has for its professional football team. And I'm not saying just this year with your brutal coach, but in the last few years. In 2007 (where your team eventually played in the Grey Cup, almost winning it), your playoff game wasn't even close to being sold out, while in Regina, it was packed and just as cold for our playoff game. You guys should prove you can be sports fans by supporting your football team, then maybe it'll attract the attention of someone outside of Winnipeg who would foot the bill to bring a team there.

Your quote is one hundred percent completely redundant! When talking about a sports franchise in the aspect of whether or not a city can obtain a team, is to be looked at as a matter of business logistics. How many people go to support a CFL game has nothing to do with how good or bad Winnipeg's chances of obtaining a hockey team are. That has to be the most ridiculous comment I've ever heard in my life, with absolute no exageration.

Just seems like you wanted to take the opportunity to wave your roughriders flag in the face of our Bomber fans.

Get a life!

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

See my post above. Also, it's not about rich people, its about a population base that would support a professional hockey team. There is way more in southern Ontario and Quebec. Hamilton will get a team before Winnipeg, because of this.

winnipeg was a very different place 20 years ago....as was the NHL....your comparisons are meaningless (especially to other sports)...compare your attendance figures to that of many NHL cities today (real attendance figures) they look like a dream.

your arguments are based on little factual evidence....all winnipeg needs is an owner....quebec and hamilton need owners and buildings....and hamilton needs the blessing of the leafs...something which they will never get.

the argument has moved from can we support it to when will we.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Andy6

They do? I've never heard that before. I take it that one of their holding companies has an interest in the team, probably as part of the deal for selling the Eaton's building. As our spelling guru Adrian pointed out earlier, the name of Canada's richest family is "Thomson" ... not "Thompson". "Thomson" is Scottish; "Thompson" is English.

yes as i mentioned earlier, the thomson family (osmington) was given shares in the moose and MTS centre in lieu of the land on portage avenue....the free press articulated that they and mark chipman have since bought out all of the other partners so that they together are the two sole owners of the team and arena now.

[trueviking]

Your points are taken...we have argued them to death on here....an owner is by far the biggest issue...which is why this rumour is so juicy.

winnipeg is obviously a small market and will have struggles, but in comparison to the markets that are failing in the south winnipeg is a viable location....it will never be the richest team, but it will be far from the poorest.

[grumpy old man]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

http://www.andrewsstarspage.com/inde...since_1989_90/

1989-90 1990-91 1991-92 1992-93
League Average 14,975 14,695 14,510 14,045
Winnipeg Jets 13,106 12,931 12,931 13,550

1993-94 1994-95 1995-96
League Average 14,748 14,797 15,986
Winnipeg Jets 13,297 13,013 11,316

Capacity of Winnipeg Arena: 15,565

Is that a better comparison or is that too far in the past?

Bringing up recent (last 2-3 years) examples of dedication to a local professional sports team originally sounded like a better way to look at things but I guess you guys don't agree.

Your stat's here are mostly during a period of time when the Jets were on the cusp of leaving Winnipeg. Certainly the last two years were as it was common knowledge that the Jet's were leaving. It amazes me the Jets averaged what they did.

You are also showing average statistics. That does not really demonstrate how the Jets compared attendance-wise.

You have to appreciate the emotional investment Winnipeggers had in that team. That was a very challenging period of time for Jet's fans and Winnipeg.

[Dalreg]

Originally Posted by grumpy old man

You are also showing average statistics. That does not really demonstrate how the Jets compared attendance-wise.

Huh? what are you smoking? What else would you like to use? ficticious made up numbers? Or actual facts and statistics?

[Pootkao]

Wow.

The only way this thread could get more entertaining is if Gary Bettman entered a room full of you guys and you all pulled out your cocks and danced in a circle whipping him with them.

Incredible.

(But it could happen.)