is the future of america in texas?

[dave8721]

Originally Posted by sentinel

The fact that everyone is debating an article from the Daily Mail, the UK's National Enquirer, should be a red flag that it is utter bullshit.

With stats that came from a moving company.

[James Bond Agent 007]

Future USA.

[jbermingham123]

Originally Posted by James Bond Agent 007

Future USA.

Ah, i love Jacksonville. Such a shame i wont ever get to see her in her glory days^^

[Altoic]

What a list...

I wonder how big the Katy Freeway will be. 26 lanes? 80? Only time will tell..

[mrnyc]

^ lol

magnus, robot fighter

4000AD

north am —

[UrbanImpact]

Originally Posted by dave8721

With stats that came from a moving company.

I'm sure the next article will be about San Francisco if the pattern is followed.

[pj3000]

Originally Posted by dave8721

Miami at 13.78M is just as ridiculous. Unless the metro grows to include the Orlando area there is no room for that many people.

Originally Posted by UrbanImpact

Miami-Dade/Broward/West Palm Beach would have to demolish all the suburban gated communities and build highrises in their place.

Well, they've drained the Everglades before...

Originally Posted by mrnyc

and to greater buffalo

to join with the great cleveland -erie-pittsburgh metroplex

I've long fantasized about the Rustoplex!

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Can you imagine a Dallas with 34 million? What a shitshow. Thousands and thousands of square miles of Plano-Frisco type development. Ugh.

Americans apparently love this stuff, tho. A McMansion on a sunbaked, barren, lot, with access to a giant stroad, represents the American Dream for a hell of a lot of people. We'll see if this continues when it's 100F half the year.

Yes, Americans do, that last 100 years has continuously proven that. Many Europeans do too its just far more expensive to have a suburban life in Europe than in America due to a number of factors primarily all leading back to Population density and availability of cheap land.

the historical norm for people is living in small villages and family farms. Why would they not desire single family homes if they can afford them?

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

more:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/texas/a...Chicago-largest-cities-not-77-years.html

These estimates are completely absurd unless everyone starts pumping out 5+ kids this isn't going to happen. These types of articles in 2100 will be just as funny as predictions from 1900 when they said places like Buffalo and Scranton would be the largest cities in the world by 2000.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Obadno

the historical norm for people is living in small villages and family farms. Why would they not desire single family homes if they can afford them?

It has nothing to do with single family homes. Philly is full of single family homes. London is full of single family homes. It's about dystopian hellscapes like Plano.

Also, what does Plano have to do with "small villages and family farms"? Plano has gigantic roadways, huge commercial clusters and massive housing developments.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Also, what does Plano have to do with "small villages and family farms"? Plano has gigantic roadways, huge commercial clusters and massive housing developments.

People like having yards and space. They always have. when people have money, they immediately seek out privacy, space etc. Obviously, some people don't but surveys and buying habits for decades have shown that most people do prefer suburbs.

Im sorry that it does not comport to your ideal but thats the way it is. You will need to learn to deal with it some day.

[UrbanImpact]

Originally Posted by Obadno

People like having yards and space. They always have. when people have money, they immediately seek out privacy, space etc. Obviously, some people don't but surveys and buying habits for decades have shown that most people do prefer suburbs.

Im sorry that it does not comport to your ideal but thats the way it is. You will need to learn to deal with it some day.

Most people move to suburbs because of price and our education system in this country, not because they are beautiful and of any worthiness. If urban areas had affordable options with great educational options, there wouldn't be the mess that we have now.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Obadno

People like having yards and space. They always have. when people have money, they immediately seek out privacy, space etc. Obviously, some people don't but surveys and buying habits for decades have shown that most people do prefer suburbs.

Im sorry that it does not comport to your ideal but thats the way it is. You will need to learn to deal with it some day.

Not really. If that were the case, Manhattan wouldn't be the most expensive place in the world with the biggest concentration of rich people in the world.

[Crawford]

Also, the most expensive areas in Dallas are the least sprawly. The area immediately north of downtown, around Highland Park and environs, has the highest home prices.

The biggest reason places like Plano exist is because of our weird school system. A typical upper middle class household with kids generally requires good public schools. But in our system you usually don't get good public schools unless you design a community to be exclusionary, and the easiest way to be exclusionary is to build mostly big, 100% autocentric homes far from any poverty.

[jbermingham123]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Also, the most expensive areas in Dallas are the least sprawly. The area immediately north of downtown, around Highland Park and environs, has the highest home prices.

The biggest reason places like Plano exist is because of our weird school system. A typical upper middle class household with kids generally requires good public schools. But in our system you usually don't get good public schools unless you design a community to be exclusionary, and the easiest way to be exclusionary is to build mostly big, 100% autocentric homes far from any poverty.

this is the correct answer

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by jbermingham123

this is the correct answer

Not sure I agree with that. Plano exists because Americans value a home with land, which is an American dream, not some home in a 30 story building next door to another building. Texas has plenty of land and as places get filled, developers move further and further out. I beleive that Plano was really hot with residential development in the 1980s, and still has mostly commercial development, but I read now about now places like Frisco, further out, and Anna and Prosper, even further out, are hot with new single family homes. The issue with Dallas is that its core is not the focal point and is even less relevant today. But it's possible that downtown Dallas will become more like downtown LA, which did not have much going for it besides stadiums but is now desirable for residential development. But I'm guessing that Dallas and Houston will continue to sprawl further and further out for the foreseeable future as jobs are following the people further out.

[UrbanImpact]

Originally Posted by DCReid

Not sure I agree with that. Plano exists because Americans value a home with land, which is an American dream, not some home in a 30 story building next door to another building. Texas has plenty of land and as places get filled, developers move further and further out. I beleive that Plano was really hot with residential development in the 1980s, and still has mostly commercial development, but I read now about now places like Frisco, further out, and Anna and Prosper, even further out, are hot with new single family homes. The issue with Dallas is that its core is not the focal point and is even less relevant today. But it's possible that downtown Dallas will become more like downtown LA, which did not have much going for it besides stadiums but is now desirable for residential development. But I'm guessing that Dallas and Houston will continue to sprawl further and further out for the foreseeable future as jobs are following the people further out.

You can be in an urban environment in a 1 or 2 story home, doesn't need to be 30 story building.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by UrbanImpact

You can be in an urban environment in a 1 or 2 story home, doesn't need to be 30 story building.

Right, and the Dallas boomburbs actually have smaller lots than the older suburbs. Lot sizes have shrunk over the years. Schools are definitely a main draw.

[pj3000]

Without a car, this is a form of prison.

Originally Posted by UrbanImpact

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by Obadno

People like having yards and space. They always have. when people have money, they immediately seek out privacy, space etc. Obviously, some people don't but surveys and buying habits for decades have shown that most people do prefer suburbs.

Im sorry that it does not comport to your ideal but thats the way it is. You will need to learn to deal with it some day.

I think it matters more to people as they get older, get married and start families.

Which means that cities are NOT doing enough by way of building to keep families----I would love to find a condo with 4-5 bedrooms designed for families, they were plentiful in Sao Paulo, in very nice areas of town, but in the US, they are hard to come by for the most part, and then there's the issue of prices in that size range, always way too expensive for most families----but I digress.

Maybe Miami will build highrise homes that families can live in?