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Old Posted Feb 17, 2022, 4:58 AM
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I'm starting to understand the reasoning to hire a new police chief. The temporary nature was probably a good move, especially considering it was unanimous. But now, with Watson's power grab, I wonder if they'll fire the new chief, throwing hundreds of thousands down the drain.

Reminder that under El-Chantiry and chief Bordeleau, police morale was at a record low. Harder, who no doubt will end up replacing Meehan, has an major attitude problem and can never admit her many short comings. Both are known bullies on Council.
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More interim than expected: Police chief terminates contract after 2 days
New Ottawa police board chair El-Chantiry reassures public after 'stormy meeting'

Kate Porter · CBC News
Posted: Feb 17, 2022 4:25 PM ET | Last Updated: 36 minutes ago


The former police chief and high-ranking Ontario official who signed a contract just two days ago to replace Peter Sloly at the helm of the Ottawa Police Service won't come to Ottawa for the temporary position after all.

Matt Torigian has written to city council and the Ottawa Police Services Board saying he would terminate his two-day-old contract, and not seek compensation, after Thursday's council meeting where councillors and the mayor fiercely objected to not being told of the hire.

Coun. Diane Deans was chair of the police board earlier this week when Sloly resigned amid criticism of the handling of protests that have occupied Ottawa's downtown for weeks. The board knew the force's executive command was thin after Sloly's departure, said Deans, and Torigian was hired to help bolster the executive ranks in Ottawa during the crisis.

Torigian, a former police chief of Waterloo Region, wrote that Deans had asked him to remove himself from his private life and "play an active role in assisting the city of Ottawa at a time of crisis."

"My sincere desire in accepting this request was to help restore order in Ottawa and increase confidence in the Ottawa Police Service," he said.

"Achieving this objective is clearly something that requires the support of the people of Ottawa as expressed by city council. Events in the past two days have made it clear that this support is lacking. I wish the people of Ottawa a speedy and safe resolution of the challenge before them."

Mayor Jim Watson said the board had signed a "sole-source contract" without public consultation, while he and many of his allies preferred Steve Bell remain in the interim role for the morale and stability of the force.

Deans argued the police services board alone had authority to do such hiring under provincial legislation and admonished her municipal council colleagues: "you're sticking your nose where it doesn't long."

Nonetheless, council then voted Deans off the police services board, while councillors Rawlson King, Carol Anne Meehan, and citizen board member Sandy Smallwood resigned.

During Wednesday's meeting, Coun. Jan Harder had called it irresponsible for the police board under Deans to "hire some random guy who hadn't policed in eight years, without any consultation."

Watson also questioned why the board hired an outsider who doesn't know the community, and suggested Torigian was bringing costly consultants with him.

CBC did not receive a direct response for comment from Torigian. He had been named a possible contender to become a chief of the Toronto Police two years ago and served as police chief of Waterloo Region until 2014.

He is currently a fellow at the Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy.

Eli El-Chantiry took over the position of police board chair without contest on Thursday, sixteen hours after Deans' removal. The rural west-end councillor also chaired the board for 12 years until 2018.

El-Chantiry made it clear Bell would remain firmly in control as interim police chief and he sought to reassure the public the newly reconstituted board would work together, and stay focused on getting rid of the weeks-long convoy protest downtown.

"You are the interim chief," El-Chantiry told Bell. "We need you to focus on the operation and need the membership to know there's stability here."

Bell agreed, and said that was the message he had been giving officers since the upheaval at their governing board.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...hair-1.6352248
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2022, 9:30 PM
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Here's my fear. Maybe "fear" is a little much, but anyway. As soon as Sloly was removed, police started to move in, with two days of warnings and marching in today. Steve Bell will be hailed a hero, even though he was part of the leadership during the three weeks of police inaction. It's like he sat back and waited for Sloly to be fired so he could take his opportunity to look good.

It will be the same when comparing El-Chantiry with Deans. "Oh, look what El-Chantiry was able to accomplish with the police. what-a he-ro "
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https://twitter.com/SamHersh01/statu...94978781691906

Not sure what would make this guy in the twitterverse happy. Former City Councillors assistant.
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https://twitter.com/SamHersh01/statu...94978781691906

Not sure what would make this guy in the twitterverse happy. Former City Councillors assistant.
Nothing, the guys an ACAB Defund the police ideologue and the councilor in question was Catherine McKenney (among others), which is why i'm surprised anyone would think McKenney would reform police in any meaningful manner. McKenney Policy is tied to the Defund movement and Horizon Ottawa.

He is also/was Co-campaing manager for Shawn Menard, Campaign manager for Rawlson King (though it looks like they had a falling out), among many other things related to the left wing of the NDP.

Edit: On that note, Rawlson Kings word on what happened Quote: “I ultimately left because I believe public safety should not be a wedge issue,” that would likely be the reason for there falling out.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...box=1645186012

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Here's my fear. Maybe "fear" is a little much, but anyway. As soon as Sloly was removed, police started to move in, with two days of warnings and marching in today. Steve Bell will be hailed a hero, even though he was part of the leadership during the three weeks of police inaction. It's like he sat back and waited for Sloly to be fired so he could take his opportunity to look good.

It will be the same when comparing El-Chantiry with Deans. "Oh, look what El-Chantiry was able to accomplish with the police. what-a he-ro "
It's like a scene ripped from the wire. Except a white guy still can be chief in Ottawa so he will be well set up if this
Weekend goes well.

Rawlson came across well in all this. It's clear he is in it for the right reasons but I think he got out-manouvered on this and the blowback against reform will be strong after all this.
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Nothing, the guys an ACAB Defund the police ideologue and the councilor in question was Catherine McKenney (among others), which is why i'm surprised anyone would think McKenney would reform police in any meaningful manner. McKenney Policy is tied to the Defund movement and Horizon Ottawa.

He is also/was Co-campaing manager for Shawn Menard, Campaign manager for Rawlson King (though it looks like they had a falling out), among many other things related to the left wing of the NDP.

Edit: On that note, Rawlson Kings word on what happened Quote: “I ultimately left because I believe public safety should not be a wedge issue,” that would likely be the reason for there falling out.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...box=1645186012
I've seen him at Police Services Board and Planning Committee/City Council meetings and I think most on Council are tired of him and his demands which aren't grounded in reality. I must say though that the comments directed at him by a couple of Councillors weren't very professional when he appeared in front of Planning Committee a year or so ago.

In my job, I have to meet with City Councillors at times and Rawlson King is an absolute class act and I have no idea how they worked together.

His twitter feed is full of a lot of bluster but not much in the way of grounded reality.
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Nothing, the guys an ACAB Defund the police ideologue and the councilor in question was Catherine McKenney (among others), which is why i'm surprised anyone would think McKenney would reform police in any meaningful manner. McKenney Policy is tied to the Defund movement and Horizon Ottawa.

He is also/was Co-campaing manager for Shawn Menard, Campaign manager for Rawlson King (though it looks like they had a falling out), among many other things related to the left wing of the NDP.

Edit: On that note, Rawlson Kings word on what happened Quote: “I ultimately left because I believe public safety should not be a wedge issue,” that would likely be the reason for there falling out.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...box=1645186012
And yet,Horizon Ottawa supports the class action law suit and has been collecting money to help defray the filing costs associated with the law suit started by Zexi Li. Go figure!

Zexi Li should be awarded the Order of Ottawa.
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2022, 2:23 PM
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Defund the police and reform the police go hand in hand IMO. Abolish the police goes a bit far.

There's nothing wrong with removing certain tasks from the police that don't belong, like traffic calming, responding to mental health crises and others. Or giving them equipment that's adapted to a particular task (school patrol doesn't need to drive a Ford Explorer; a Toyota Yaris will do the job, for example. Nothing wrong with making the police do the job they are paid to do.
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How a council meltdown let down a city in crisis
Mayor Jim Watson may have had reasons to lose faith in OPS board, but he squandered his credibility years ago

Joanne Chianello · CBC News
Posted: Feb 22, 2022 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 9 hours ago


It's not often — in fact, it's never — that an Ottawa city council meeting garners national attention. Last week's histrionics attracted more than 10 times the usual eyeballs on YouTube, spawning news commentaries that characterized it as everything from appalling to dysfunctional and embarrassing to any reasonable citizen of this city.

Watching the tears, the accusations, the ousting of the police oversight board's chair and calls for the mayor to resign, you might well believe this city council imploded under the weight of the historical civil unrest the capital has experienced this month.

But for close observers, council's conduct wasn't a surprise. Instead, it was the culmination of years of rivalry, pettiness and personality politics, all coming to a head at the worst possible moment.

Although all members bear some responsibility for last Wednesday's debacle, the mayor is the head of council and his leadership has set the tone for the divisiveness that has characterized his most recent term of office.

From the moment Jim Watson was re-elected in 2018, he effectively froze downtown councillors out of leadership positions, and has passed over more experienced councillors — who may not agree with him — for newbies who may have to lean more on his office for help.

And with Diane Deans now removed as head of the Ottawa Police Services Board, not a single woman chairs a council committee or board, despite the fact that one-third of council is female.

That there's no love lost between Deans and Watson is hardly news.

The mayor has rebuked Deans publicly on many occasions. He's rebuffed her calls for an audit of the LRT (which council later approved), slammed her suggestion to cut bus fares in the summer of 2019 until the delayed LRT was up and running (council later offered free fares for an entire month) and had her microphone cut off during a debate on a possible judicial inquiry over the LRT, for which he apologized the next day. (It's worth noting the province is moving full-speed ahead with its own public inquiry on the Confederation Line at this very moment.)

Watson even once refused to allow Deans to ask a question at the finance committee meeting, to which she does not belong, which is completely unheard of.

So when Watson told Deans last week he no longer had confidence in her as the chair of the police board, it's understandable that some saw the move as a personal vendetta or, as one councillor put it, "100 per cent political."

Here's the thing: Maybe it wasn't.

Consider that Deans, with the backing of the police services board, signed a contract to hire an interim police chief from outside the city within 24 hours of Peter Sloly resigning as police chief. In fact, the news release announcing the shocking resignation of the police chief — in the middle of a massive crisis — on Feb. 15 ended with the statement that the board "will be appointing a new chief very soon."

Apparently, "very soon" meant the following day.

Now, the police services board is an autonomous body, and has every right to hire a new chief. But it's an unquestionably odd move to bring in someone — even if it's on a short-term basis, even if he's well-regarded — without discussing the matter with the mayor and council first, to say nothing of the public, and just as an operational plan to end the downtown occupation is being launched.

That's not to say the board should have to have council's approval, but it should not have come as a surprise that many of Deans's council colleagues were none-too-happy to be blindsided by the news. It should be noted that three board members resigned in support of Deans.

Among the analysis and soul-searching that will occur over the events of the past month will be serious questions regarding police governance.

And in the coming weeks, we may have more clarity over whether Deans made a too-fast decision, or Watson overstepped his authority having Deans removed from the police services board.

But it should never have come to this.

Elected officials should disagree. They should hold various perspectives, be able to argue behind closed doors, and at public meetings.

What they shouldn't do is get entrenched in deep divisions that make it impossible to have constructive discussions during a city crisis. The mayor and Deans should have been able to come to some sort of mutual agreement — or at the very least be able to talk over a decision of this magnitude for more than five hours on the day the contract is completed.

Perhaps Watson could have asked the board to consider waiting until after the truck protesters were cleared out of the downtown core before bringing someone in from the outside. Perhaps Deans could have let council know the board's plans before signing on the dotted line.

None of this happened because there's no trust on this council between what's been dubbed the Watson Club —those who often vote with the mayor — and the Detention Club detractors.

Everyone's to blame, from those who let the mayor's office whip their votes, to those who ratchet up the rhetoric, or call for the mayor to resign.

(It's hard to see how Watson leaving in the middle of this mess would help. Would we be in better shape handing over the reins to one of the deputy mayors, such as first-term Coun. Laura Dudas? Or drive-and-Zoom Coun. George Darouze, who dissented on a council motion to apologize to downtown residents for failing to provide safety and security to them during the protests?)

As the head of council, though, Watson needs to take ownership for the broken culture at council, and he's bearing the brunt of that now.

The mayor might have a valid, non-political, reason not to support Deans's decision to hire an interim chief — that remains to be seen — but he's squandered any benefit of the doubt many may have afforded him on this issue.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...tion-1.6359698
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2022, 10:33 PM
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In my job, I have to meet with City Councillors at times and Rawlson King is an absolute class act and I have no idea how they worked together.
I'd be curious to hear about the other Councillors, but don't want to put you in that position. I assume most are pretty much what we see at the Council table.
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Defund the police and reform the police go hand in hand IMO. Abolish the police goes a bit far.

There's nothing wrong with removing certain tasks from the police that don't belong, like traffic calming, responding to mental health crises and others. Or giving them equipment that's adapted to a particular task (school patrol doesn't need to drive a Ford Explorer; a Toyota Yaris will do the job, for example. Nothing wrong with making the police do the job they are paid to do.
Sounds easy but in practice far from it. The impetus for all this comes from the US but we really have vastly different landscape. Our police are much better paid and better trained. They are also especially considering our much lower crime rates very expensive. Defund implies cutting costs. Not sure where the savings come from. The politics are allergic to any loss in boots on the ground. American polling suggest those in the "over-policed" areas are most worried about a reduction in policing.
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Isn't a huge issue that we have officers pulling 6 figures spending half their time at a desk?

The way I see it, we need less expensive street cops, more cheaper support staff, mental health responders, bylaw and parking service.

Ottawa probably needs to look at some kind of dedicated crowd control unit, including a reserve that can be spun up, in case of large incidents like the Convoy.
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Isn't a huge issue that we have officers pulling 6 figures spending half their time at a desk?

The way I see it, we need less expensive street cops, more cheaper support staff, mental health responders, bylaw and parking service.

Ottawa probably needs to look at some kind of dedicated crowd control unit, including a reserve that can be spun up, in case of large incidents like the Convoy.
Ottawa has one of the lowest rates of Officers per capita of a major city in Canada. https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-pol...dget-1.5654866

It should also be noted to anyone saying the shortfall is covered by RCMP or OPP, that this idiotic convoy showed that no, those forces are not much of any help.

As for wages, if you have an issue with how well they are paid, feel free to take a crack at the public arbitration process but that usually doesn't go well in a city dominated by Bureaucrats...
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My issue isn't with wages. It's with what we are getting highly paid procfessionals to do. We don't use our highly skilled special forces in the military to man checkpoints and deliver supplies. Same idea. Don't use expensive police officers for highly administrative jobs or work that can be done with lesser paid alternatives. Save the cop pay packets for jobs done by and need to be done by, cops.
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The Ottawa-Gatineau metro area has +7 police forces. (Ottawa Police, RCMP, OPP, Parliamentary PS, Gatineau Police, Sûreté du Québec, Military Police) The OPS’s excuse that Ottawa has the lowest rate amongst major cities in Canada is pure bologna. Ottawa police don’t even patrol large portions of the city. The demonstrations over the last few weeks would have overwhelmed any police in any city in Canada. Especially when you don’t have a plan, don’t prepare whatsoever, and don’t coordinate with the other forces in the city. I have lost faith in the OPS and do not believe one word they say. They are rotten from the inside out and I’m not sure how or if they can restore public faith.

In my experience, anyone that doesn’t support the defund the police movement simply doesn’t understand what it means. I’ve spoken with people that actually believe that it would result in no police force and a purge style free for all in the city. I’ve also spoken to uniformed OPS officers that 100% support a defund movement. They do not have the skills, training, or interest in attending mental health calls, child services calls, wildlife calls, etc.
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In my opinion, the biggest waste of money regarding police in Ottawa is having them supplement flag persons at construction sites. When they were replacing sewers on Richmond Road a few years ago they had 3 officers at Westminster/Byron/Richmond standing around chatting with 3 cars running in the summer while the construction company had flag people doing the work. What is the purpose of this, extra pay?
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In my opinion, the biggest waste of money regarding police in Ottawa is having them supplement flag persons at construction sites. When they were replacing sewers on Richmond Road a few years ago they had 3 officers at Westminster/Byron/Richmond standing around chatting with 3 cars running in the summer while the construction company had flag people doing the work. What is the purpose of this, extra pay?
Unless I am mistaken this is actually overtime for the cops and is billed to the contractor by the city.

These aren't cops doing their usual job.
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Unless I am mistaken this is actually overtime for the cops and is billed to the contractor by the city.

These aren't cops doing their usual job.
Correct, the city sends out a bill for their services.
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Correct, the city sends out a bill for their services.
Still a pointless use of cops. The City pays the contractor, so ultimately, City pays for the cops.

Same with when street lights go out. Three or four police SUVs running, 4 or 5 cops with one of them directing traffic. That's 100% the City paying for this.
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