2026 Scott St [Granite Curling Club] | ?/88/?m | 18/26/36f | Proposed

[ponyboycurtis]

Originally Posted by MoreTrains

Aweful lot of blue in that proposal.

A linear park over the transit trench would be beneficial in more than one way. Firstly, would provide a large park space for residents. Secondly, would take the noise (if there ever really was any) to zero. Finally, it would keep snow off the tracks meaning one less point of failure in the winter.

It's just the proposed massing. Fingers crossed the renders look similar to the original proposal as I quite liked it.

Covering the trench would be great. I'd even settle for dressing up the linear greenspace they already have. Looking forward to seeing the bike lanes on Scott completed. The north side of the road could use some attention as there aren't any curbs or significant trees.

[Dzingle Bells]

This project is at the UDRP this morning at 10:50am. Link to watch here - https://ottawa-ca.zoom.us/j/83956750746

Passcode is 626578

[originalmuffins]

I attended this one, seemed positive. This may have a good chance of going through so here's hoping this and the 1047 Richmond Road one go through. They're at very good heights!

[J.OT13]

I wish these would be posted on the City's YouTube.

[Harley613]

I missed this one. Did they have actual renders?

[waterloowarrior]

UDRP package (massing concepts)
http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Im...02-22-0037.PDF

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

UDRP package (massing concepts)
http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Im...02-22-0037.PDF

Are the UDRP sessions available to watch later?

[waterloowarrior]

Originally Posted by Proof Sheet

Are the UDRP sessions available to watch later?

Not that I know of, but as you probably know detailed minutes get posted later on the City's website
https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-develo...ecommendations

[J.OT13]

To be presented at October 27th planning committee.

https://pub-ottawa.escribemeetings.c...a&lang=English

[J.OT13]

From Leiper's Newsletter:

Granite Club application

The application to build two 40-storey towers at the site of the former Granite Club will be heard at Planning Committee on Thursday. I've been in touch through the election period with the Westboro Community Association to share my perspective that on planning grounds there are not rich grounds to oppose the development - certainly nothing that would survive an LPAT challenge. I'll be focused on this for the next few days, but this is generally the type of development that Council has blessed through its new Official Plan in extremely close proximity to rail stations. The re-configuration from three towers to two is, in my opinion, a positive development. Those will be taller, but that is preferable to suffocating the site with more building. The longstanding discussion about parkland is also put to rest: the City will get its required parkland, added to the existing Lion's footprint to make that space significantly larger and under the City's control. With the re-configuration, there will be a substantial connection to Scott Street that I hope will increase use and enjoyment of the space.

As noted, I need to grapple more with this through the next couple of days. I've alerted the builder that I would like to see more affordable housing than the bare minimum (which is none, although I hope they will be taking advantage of the CMHC program for affordable rental housing to bring down their costs). There will be a hold on some provisions of the zoning, including further review of the architecture of what will be a skyline-defining building; our insistence has to be that this building go beyond the ordinary. There are still problematic elements with respect to the transition that will be further reviewed, and I'll be seeking opportunities to further consult with residents on those.

See the Planning Committee report here.

[J.OT13]

Watching Planning Committee from earlier today. The applicant us "committed" to 15% or 120 units affordable, defined by the applicant as 40% less than average ($1530 a month for a one bedroom). 30%+ will be "family sized".

Leiper pushed the developer and architect to develop skyline defining towers. Architect being Patrick Bisson of Hobin Architecture.

Side note: everything that comes lout of Hobin is usually decently nice and high quality, but quite repetitive (red brick, industrial/loft type windows), so not getting my hopes up.

I might edit this post and add more.

[Harley613]

The most avant-garde thing we have ever seen come out of Hobin's studio is the 'landmark' tower proposed for Centretown, which does seem to break the mould a little bit. I am curious now if Patrick Bisson is lead on that file as well...

[OTSkyline]

It will be interesting to see if the City approves this develop (at 40ft) while it denies the same height at 1047 Richmond Road.

Both are right next to LRT station although I would think this one has much more SFH and low-density housing surrounding it (and a typically very vocal neighbours) than the one on Richmond surrounded by 20-30 story towers.

I have trouble understanding the city's decisions sometimes, feels like there's no rhyme or reason.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by OTSkyline

It will be interesting to see if the City approves this develop (at 40ft) while it denies the same height at 1047 Richmond Road.

Both are right next to LRT station although I would think this one has much more SFH and low-density housing surrounding it (and a typically very vocal neighbours) than the one on Richmond surrounded by 20-30 story towers.

I have trouble understanding the city's decisions sometimes, feels like there's no rhyme or reason.

Westboro Station will be more substantial than New Orchard, so maybe Scott is better capacity wise, considering New Orchard has more density today aleady. I'm saying that, but it doesn't seem the City actually considers that at all. Re: Dow's Lake.

Scott tower proposals are also not as massive as the ones proposed on Richmond.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Harley613

The most avant-garde thing we have ever seen come out of Hobin's studio is the 'landmark' tower proposed for Centretown, which does seem to break the mould a little bit. I am curious now if Patrick Bisson is lead on that file as well...

Yes, this is quite nice.

That particular tower would not look good as twins, but certainly shows some of Hobin capabilities for variety.

[SL123]

Application Approved by Council 2022-11-09

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by SL123

Application Approved by Council 2022-11-09

Can't wait to see a final design for this, and better yet, seeing it rise up. I' a big fan of Minto Metropole, but looking forward to these dominating the Westboro skyline. Best of all, with Meropole on the north side of the transit trench, it will continue to contribute to that skyline.

[J.OT13]

UDRP notes in September:

2006, 2020 & 2026 SCOTT STREET and 314 & 318 ATHLONE AVENUE | Formal Review | Zoning By-law Amendment | Colonnade BridgePort; Morley Hoppener; Hobin Architecture; Fotenn Planning + Design; Projet Paysage

Summary

• The Panel thanked the proponent for the presentation and is in support of the two-tower approach conditional upon the following recommendations. The introduction of terracing facing the park is appreciated, and the Panel commends the proponent for the site's contribution to the immediate surroundings and neighbourhood. However, further studies on the building's transition to the low-rise neighbourhood are needed as the project moves to the Site Plan stage.
• The Panel notes the proposal is in the early stages of the evolution of the architectural expression; however, the Panel has some concerns regarding the bridge's relationship to the street.

Context

• The Panel notes that it would have been beneficial to have contextual elevations of the building on Scott Street in relation to the other proposals on adjacent sites, to understand the height in context and streetwall relationships. The proponent should consider a variation in height of the two towers on Scott Street and conduct further analysis on the evolution of the street, as the Panel considers the project as a gateway to the park.
• The Panel expects future submissions would show the building's transition from the neighbourhood to the south, including a 45-degree angular plane analysis to understand the transition in that area.

Massing

• The Panel supports the idea of an amenity bridge to break up the massing, but the Panel questions whether the bridge is too high and overscaled, giving the building a civic appearance more appropriate for the downtown area. The bridge could be scaled down and incorporated with the podium, instead of above it, and brought closer to the ground.
• The Panel recommends the proponent study the bridge typology and views at street level, as the bridge will mostly be visible from long views towards the site. The bridge may not be as apparent from closer in views such as those on the street in close vicinity. Given the visibility of this feature, the panel questions the typology.
• The Panel believes the project would benefit from being a mixed-use development given that the site is across from a future LRT station. Providing retail uses is essential. Community uses would also complement and animate the public park.
• The Panel believes the towers should vary in height. The concern is that having both buildings at the same height when seen from different views, would create an overlap condition which could appear as a lager 'slab' building and they would read as a single slab building. The Panel recommends having a minimum distance of 12 metres or approximately four storeys to differential between the two towers and create a distinction on the skyline.
• The proponent should consider the building's transition, and façade treatment on Athlone as that side is predominately low-rise residences.

Architectural expression

• The Panel recommends the proponent use a fine-grain treatment for the podium to give it a residential feel and study the elevations as the architectural expression is finalized.
• The Panel appreciates the building's serrated expression on Tower 1 facing the park, which provides an opportunity for the terracing units to integrate greenery and create a vegetated edge condition to the building. The Panel notes that Tower 2 also has some greenery, which provides continuity.
• The Panel recognizes the architectural expression has not been developed; however, it was noted that the precedent images included an extensive use of glass which raises a question of its compatibility with the neighbourhood. It was suggested that a more textured building would be appropriate.

Public realm

• The Panel appreciates the parti diagram and the clear-cut access to Lion's park as it is a great example of the site's porosity and when the transit station is functional the cut-through access will create a connection to the neighbourhood.

https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-develo...1-c874d7b56f56

[J.OT13]

I completely disagree with the UDRP's comments on this one. And since when do they care about variation in height? The one time when towers of the same height make sense, they call for more variation.

[rocketphish]

[June 2022] 2026 Scott Street was purchased by Granite Private Equity GP Inc. (Colonnade BridgePort) from The Granite Curling Club of West Ottawa Inc. for $20,900,000 or $403 per square foot. It is currently zoned Community Leisure Facility and is in the rezoning process.

http://juteaujohnsoncomba.com/wp-con...June-Sales.pdf

[July 2022] 314 Athlone Avenue and 2020 & 2006 Scott Street were purchased by Granite Private Equity GP Inc. (Colonnade BridgePort) from 7520948 Canada Inc., 9387056 Canada Inc. & a Named Individual for $9,000,000 or $670 per square foot. It is zoned Traditional Main Street.

http://juteaujohnsoncomba.com/wp-con...July-Sales.pdf