2017 State Population Estimates - Released 12/20/17

[bobdreamz]

Originally Posted by The North One

Oh fuck yes, please make Florida permanently blue.

It was already trending that way but this migration from PR might just be the impetus to push it over.

[SpawnOfVulcan]

Originally Posted by The North One

Oh fuck yes, please make Florida permanently blue.

I wish SSP had "like" buttons...

[jd3189]

Originally Posted by The North One

Oh fuck yes, please make Florida permanently blue.

That would be interesting. It would change politics not only nationally but also locally, bringing about more pro-urban policies to sustain growth. Hopefully Georgia, North Carolina, and Tennessee follow as the Southeast continues to look like the rest of the East Coast.

[SpawnOfVulcan]

I don't like the idea of Alabama losing a House seat, but if (and it likely will) occurs, it could lead to a major shakeup as far as the state's political representations goes. Republicans will, of course, try and carve up the state to maintain the status quo, but it will be hard for them to maintain the mandatory minority district without welcoming more diverse populations into what are currently heavy red districts.

[subterranean]

Oh how the tables have turned for Wyoming...

[mhays]

Gerrymandering is a MASSIVE factor in Texas. It ought to be illegal. It's certainly undemocratic.

[LMich]

It's still a very modest growth, but Michigan finally turned the corner on out-migration with this period. It's been the one thing stiffling growth the previous five years the state grew. You take that factor away, and you have more "normal" growth for the state coming leading up to the 2020 Census, finally. We've kind of been expecting this having seen Detroit's population loss slow down significantly in recent years. I'll be very interested to see what the sub-county numbers look like in the coming months, but it's very likely to show loss in Wayne County slow to a trickle.

Say hello to more Michiganders! Population rises for sixth straight year

By Kristi Tanner | Detroit Free Press

December 20, 2017

Michigan's population is up again, for the sixth consecutive year, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates released Wednesday. About 9,962,311 residents lived in the state on July 1, 2017, an increase of 28,866 people or 0.3% from a year earlier.

The state's growth rate remains slower than the national rate of 0.7%.

The population gain includes births and people migrating to the state. Michigan recorded a positive net migration – more people moving to the state than leaving -- for the first time in records dating to at least 2000, according to the Census Bureau. Statistics were not available prior to then.

[the urban politician]

Congrats to Michigan and all the states that surround Illinois

Chicagoans care more about the SE corners of Wisconsin and the NW portions of Indiana than the rest of Illinois anyhow. But it’s good to see some growth over yonder

[C.]

The county numbers will be very fascinating for NY/NJ. Growth slowed in both states but NYC and NJ's northern areas (primarily Hudson County and Newark) were strongly growing at last report.

There could be major troubles for upstate NY and central and south NJ.

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by CIA

Hudson County and Newark) were strongly growing at last report.

There could be major troubles for upstate NY and central and south NJ.

I could see Vineland and Atlantic County see a decline. The area around Trenton and Camden might continue to grow but at a slow rate. As a proxy to Philly, you'd think it would grow much faster due to the generally low prices relative to lets say Hunterdon County or the areas near Princeton. I attribute horrid schools and crime for the stagnation.

Central NJ is expensive, and growth out in the burbs (where I'm at) is very slow. Places like Plainfield might account for most of the growth. There is a heavy Hispanic population in Plainfield. There have been some apartments built near the rail lines, but not much really going on in Somerset County.



Essex and Hudson County is where the action is at. Also with Edison, Middlesex is up there. Although Edison NJ is a hellhole. Horribly planned and text book definition of urban sprawl.

[Centropolis]

https://www.census.gov

the situation in wyoming notwithstanding, the map shows how the interior northwest and intermountain west is where the future growth is going to be.

i do always wonder why new mexico lags behind the others.

[SteveD]

Originally Posted by Centropolis

https://www.census.gov

the situation in wyoming notwithstanding, the map shows how the interior northwest and intermountain west is where the future growth is going to be.

i do always wonder why new mexico lags behind the others.

Not really. It's easy for those sparsely populated states to rack up big growth rates due to the small base, but the biggest numerical growth has been and is likely to continue to be the Atlantic southeast, southwest, and west coast.

[Centropolis]

Originally Posted by SteveD

Not really. It's easy for those sparsely populated states to rack up big growth rates due to the small base, but the biggest numerical growth has been and is likely to continue to be the Atlantic southeast, southwest, and west coast.

true. i think its going to be an ever increasing trend, though.

[BG918]

Originally Posted by Centropolis

the situation in wyoming notwithstanding, the map shows how the interior northwest and intermountain west is where the future growth is going to be.

i do always wonder why new mexico lags behind the others.

New Mexico and Wyoming lack diverse economies that can drive growth outside of oil/gas/mining. Albuquerque has potential to grow into more of a hub in the future but does not currently have a very dynamic economy and NM is overall one of the poorer states in the country. Wyoming is just very rural, only 585,000 people live in the entire state! The city proper of Denver has more people than the entire state of Wyoming which is the 10th largest state by area.

I agree Boise and Salt Lake City are likely the next growth magnets in the western region.

[Sun Belt]

^I can see Salt Lake City giving Denver a run for it's money. Also, Boise seems poised for some high growth decades ahead of it. They both offer the western lifestyle, but at a fraction of the cost of places like Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles.

[subterranean]

Originally Posted by Sun Belt

^I can see Salt Lake City giving Denver a run for it's money. Also, Boise seems poised for some high growth decades ahead of it. They both offer the western lifestyle, but at a fraction of the cost of places like Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles.

Boise seems poised, but it’s also a very conservative state. I hear people in community development/planning having a really hard time getting things done there.

[Cottonwood]

Originally Posted by subterranean

Boise seems poised, but it’s also a very conservative state. I hear people in community development/planning having a really hard time getting things done there.

Boise is booming, construction is everywhere and the city is not really all that conservative. The current big dilemma in the Boise area is handling the growth but some of the smaller outlying suburbs are resistant to the growth which they will have to give into at some point. Prized farm land out in the rural areas is being consumed with homes and commercial developments in order to handle the growth of people moving here from Washington, Oregon, and California.

Page 12 of this link shows where most of the in-migration is coming from.

http://www.bvep.org/images/content/d...-General-1.pdf

[CherryCreek]

Originally Posted by Sun Belt

^I can see Salt Lake City giving Denver a run for it's money. Also, Boise seems poised for some high growth decades ahead of it. They both offer the western lifestyle, but at a fraction of the cost of places like Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles.

Anything is possible, but for this current decade the Denver CSA has widened the gap on the Salt Lake CSA.

The 2016 CSA estimate for Salt Lake is 2.514 million, which is 10.4% growth since 2010.

The 2016 Denver CSA estimate is 3.46 million, which is 12.3% growth since 2010.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...xhtml?src=bkmk

Here's all 1 million + CSA ranked by percentage growth - 2010 to 2016:


Percentage Growth – 2010-16

1 Cape Coral-Fort Myers-Naples, FL CSA 15.7
2 Houston-The Woodlands, TX CSA 14.0
3 Orlando-Deltona-Daytona Beach, FL CSA 13.7
4 Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill, NC CSA 12.7
5 Denver-Aurora, CO CSA 12.3
6 Dallas-Fort Worth, TX-OK CSA 12.0
7 Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro, TN CSA 11.1
8 Charlotte-Concord, NC-SC CSA 10.8
9 Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem, UT CSA 10.7
10 Seattle-Tacoma, WA CSA 9.6
11 Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ CSA 9.5
12 Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK CSA 9.3
13 Atlanta--Athens-Clarke County--Sandy Springs, GA CSA 9.2
14 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St. Lucie, FL CSA 9.0
15 Jacksonville-St. Marys-Palatka, FL-GA CSA 9.0
16 Portland-Vancouver-Salem, OR-WA CSA 8.2
17 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA 7.3
18 Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA CSA 6.8
19 Sacramento-Roseville, CA CSA 6.3
20 New Orleans-Metairie-Hammond, LA-MS CSA 6.2
21 Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, SC CSA 5.9
22 Columbus-Marion-Zanesville, OH CSA 5.8
23 Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI CSA 5.7
24 Indianapolis-Carmel-Muncie, IN CSA 5.3
25 Fresno-Madera, CA CSA 4.9
26 Grand Rapids-Wyoming-Muskegon, MI CSA 4.7
27 Tulsa-Muskogee-Bartlesville, OK CSA 4.6
28 Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA CSA 4.5
29 Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS CSA 4.4
30 El Paso-Las Cruces, TX-NM CSA 4.2
31 Knoxville-Morristown-Sevierville, TN CSA 3.8
32 Greensboro--Winston-Salem--High Point, NC CSA 3.8
33 Boston-Worcester-Providence, MA-RI-NH-CT CSA 3.6
34 Louisville/Jefferson County--Madison, KY-IN CSA 3.5
35 Tucson-Nogales, AZ CSA 3.4
36 Virginia Beach-Norfolk, VA-NC CSA 2.9
37 New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA 2.7
38 Harrisburg-York-Lebanon, PA CSA 2.7
39 Cincinnati-Wilmington-Maysville, OH-KY-IN CSA 2.3
40 Albuquerque-Santa Fe-Las Vegas, NM CSA 2.3
41 Philadelphia-Reading-Camden, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA 1.6
42 Birmingham-Hoover-Talladega, AL CSA 1.3
43 Memphis-Forrest City, TN-MS-AR CSA 1.2
44 Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI CSA 0.9
45 St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL CSA 0.7
46 Chicago-Naperville, IL-IN-WI CSA 0.4
48 Albany-Schenectady, NY CSA 0.3
49 Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor, MI CSA 0.0
50 Rochester-Batavia-Seneca Falls, NY CSA -0.2
51 Dayton-Springfield-Sidney, OH CSA -0.5
52 Buffalo-Cheektowaga, NY CSA -0.5
53 Hartford-West Hartford, CT CSA -0.7
54 Cleveland-Akron-Canton, OH CSA -0.9
55 Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton, PA-OH-WV CSA -1.0

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by CherryCreek

Anything is possible, but for this current decade the Denver CSA has widened the gap on the Salt Lake CSA.

The 2016 CSA estimate for Salt Lake is 2.514 million, which is 10.4% growth since 2010.

The 2016 Denver CSA estimate is 3.46 million, which is 12.3% growth since 2010.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...xhtml?src=bkmk

Here's all 1 million + CSA ranked by percentage growth - 2010 to 2016:


Percentage Growth – 2010-16

1 Cape Coral-Fort Myers-Naples, FL CSA 15.7
2 Houston-The Woodlands, TX CSA 14.0
3 Orlando-Deltona-Daytona Beach, FL CSA 13.7
4 Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill, NC CSA 12.7
5 Denver-Aurora, CO CSA 12.3
6 Dallas-Fort Worth, TX-OK CSA 12.0
7 Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro, TN CSA 11.1
8 Charlotte-Concord, NC-SC CSA 10.8
9 Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem, UT CSA 10.7
10 Seattle-Tacoma, WA CSA 9.6
11 Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ CSA 9.5
12 Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK CSA 9.3
13 Atlanta--Athens-Clarke County--Sandy Springs, GA CSA 9.2
14 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St. Lucie, FL CSA 9.0
15 Jacksonville-St. Marys-Palatka, FL-GA CSA 9.0
16 Portland-Vancouver-Salem, OR-WA CSA 8.2
17 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA 7.3
18 Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA CSA 6.8
19 Sacramento-Roseville, CA CSA 6.3
20 New Orleans-Metairie-Hammond, LA-MS CSA 6.2
21 Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, SC CSA 5.9
22 Columbus-Marion-Zanesville, OH CSA 5.8
23 Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI CSA 5.7
24 Indianapolis-Carmel-Muncie, IN CSA 5.3
25 Fresno-Madera, CA CSA 4.9
26 Grand Rapids-Wyoming-Muskegon, MI CSA 4.7
27 Tulsa-Muskogee-Bartlesville, OK CSA 4.6
28 Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA CSA 4.5
29 Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS CSA 4.4
30 El Paso-Las Cruces, TX-NM CSA 4.2
31 Knoxville-Morristown-Sevierville, TN CSA 3.8
32 Greensboro--Winston-Salem--High Point, NC CSA 3.8
33 Boston-Worcester-Providence, MA-RI-NH-CT CSA 3.6
34 Louisville/Jefferson County--Madison, KY-IN CSA 3.5
35 Tucson-Nogales, AZ CSA 3.4
36 Virginia Beach-Norfolk, VA-NC CSA 2.9
37 New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA 2.7
38 Harrisburg-York-Lebanon, PA CSA 2.7
39 Cincinnati-Wilmington-Maysville, OH-KY-IN CSA 2.3
40 Albuquerque-Santa Fe-Las Vegas, NM CSA 2.3
41 Philadelphia-Reading-Camden, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA 1.6
42 Birmingham-Hoover-Talladega, AL CSA 1.3
43 Memphis-Forrest City, TN-MS-AR CSA 1.2
44 Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI CSA 0.9
45 St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL CSA 0.7
46 Chicago-Naperville, IL-IN-WI CSA 0.4
48 Albany-Schenectady, NY CSA 0.3
49 Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor, MI CSA 0.0
50 Rochester-Batavia-Seneca Falls, NY CSA -0.2
51 Dayton-Springfield-Sidney, OH CSA -0.5
52 Buffalo-Cheektowaga, NY CSA -0.5
53 Hartford-West Hartford, CT CSA -0.7
54 Cleveland-Akron-Canton, OH CSA -0.9
55 Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton, PA-OH-WV CSA -1.0

Phoenix and Tucson are too far apart to have a CSA

[subterranean]

Grand Rapids is an oft-overlooked bright spot in the Midwest. If I ever move back to MI, it would probably be there. Great beer and music scene, close to the lake, big beautiful historic homes, and still relatively affordable.