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Old Posted Jul 4, 2017, 7:20 PM
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That last line was funny the 356789974334567223th time I heard it.

All this seems like a storm in a glass of water. Anyone who knows anything about Canada day knows that the real parties are everywhere but the hill. Any talk about thus annual event being killed is crazy.
Isn't the Hill the centre of Canada Day activity? Nothing much goes on south or west of the Hill. Yes, there are a few other venues, but without reasonable access to the concerts, the event is much diminished.

As to your last comment, if we persist in this need for airport security, there are going to be a lot of people not wanting to repeat this year's experience.

Let's face it, what would have happened if the weather was half decent? It was already called a fiasco in one of the headlines. Can you imagine if the anticipated 500,000 had shown up? Obviously, the planners were not the least bit prepared.

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I was referring specifically to the notion of partying. The best partying on Canada day happens in the market and, frankly, on the streets. I can't see anything ever stopping that.

Of course the hill is the focal point with concerts and speeches and so forth but I for one never really considered it as the go-to spot for partying on that day.

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Royal motorcade broke Canada Day transit service, OC Transpo boss says

David Reevely, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: July 4, 2017 | Last Updated: July 4, 2017 5:03 PM EDT


An abrupt police decision to use OC Transpo’s main route through downtown for a royal motorcade was responsible for freezing the heart of the transit system on Canada Day, the agency’s general manager John Manconi says.

OC Transpo gave free rides on July 1, hoping that getting an anticipated 450,000 Canada Day revellers into and out of the core would be easier and faster using buses rather than a mix of transit and private cars. The transit system can get about 8,000 people an hour into downtown by bus now, as long as nothing goes wrong. Any crowd that size would strain a system designed for an average daily ridership of about 340,000 — demand that’s usually spread across the city and divided between morning and afternoon rush hours.

“Transit is the best option for travelling to Canada Day festivities downtown and across the city!” the company promised. Which it probably was, for anyone outside walking or biking distance.

But early on, would-be riders at the park-and-rides where the city urged the downtown-bound to stash their cars just waited.

Riders closer to downtown stood on platforms watching buses go by without stopping, full of people who’d boarded farther out.

By early afternoon, OC Transpo warned publicly that buses downtown were up to an hour behind schedule. People trying to get into or out of the core sat in unmoving buses, unsure when they’d get going again.

The demand was unprecedented and OC Transpo did its best, Manconi said outside a meeting of city council’s finance committee on Tuesday. What it couldn’t handle, nobody could have, he said: a sudden decision by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to use Albert Street, the irreplaceable westbound bus corridor through downtown, to get Prince Charles and his wife Camilla off Parliament Hill after they joined the celebration there.

OC Transpo’s planners didn’t know that was even a possibility, Manconi said.

“There’s a secret protocol on who picks the routes. There’s three routes chosen and somebody in the RCMP makes that call (on which one to use),” Manconi said. “We quickly responded and adjusted… We don’t know the routes. That’s made by the RCMP.”

(The Mounties didn’t answer a request to respond to Manconi’s account of what happened and how.)

This is the theme of the city’s response to complaints that it was overmatched by the celebration of Canada’s 150th birthday: The people organizing the big show on Parliament Hill did too many things that took Ottawa’s city services by surprise. Much of the trouble can be traced to the hours-long lines to get through the extra security checks to get onto the Hill, which snaked off Wellington Street and got in the way of city-run services like transit.

“It was pretty clear there was a lot of confusion with both the lineups, the time it was taking, and in some cases there were people lining up and it wasn’t even a line,” Mayor Jim Watson said in a separate scrum. “I didn’t see one single sign saying ‘Line up here’ or ‘This line to Parliament Hill’.”

Combine the barely-moving security lines with the surprise motorcade and the system took a blow it couldn’t recover from for hours.

The Transitway shutdown for the motorcade lasted nearly an hour, Manconi said. Since Albert Street had also been closed to regular traffic, pedestrians spilled out onto it — that was a problem all day but was particularly bad when the street didn’t seem to be being used for anything else. Just getting Albert back for buses once the royal motorcade was gone took a flying wedge of Ottawa police, gently pushing people out of the way.

“The buses were making it to the core but because of some of the unprecedented security checks and things like that, we started to lose the corridors and that caused the delays and the buses obviously had a trickle-down effect and then they can’t get over back to the suburban areas,” Manconi said. “We did a bunch of adjustments, we redeployed some buses, got the larger-capacity ones doing more trips in the core and then the 40-footers out to some of the suburban routes that were less dependent on that.”

A suspicious package downtown required more detours to keep buses away from it. “Three major detours, all going back to back, in a day with record-level crowds and so forth. So there were a lot of things that were driving the delays. It’s not about OC Transpo not having a plan and not about OC Transpo not trying to meet expectations,” Manconi said.

OC Transpo doesn’t know how many people it moved on Canada Day but it did do 5,000 bus runs, which Manconi said was a record. In all, he said, even knowing what he knows now, there’s absolutely nothing he’d have done differently in planning for Canada Day. He rode buses that day along with tens of thousands of other people and most of them were pretty satisfied.

Watson acknowledged the complaints but echoed Manconi’s explanations — especially about the vulnerability of Slater and Albert streets.

“It does shine the light on why LRT will change these challenges in the future,” he said. When the light-rail line opens under Queen Street in a year, it won’t be vulnerable to the same problems and will be able to carry three times as many people. “We only have so much capacity. Would it have made sense to bring some buses halfway in empty, so you have some capacity to pick those people up? That might be something we look at in the future.”

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Another thing that is shocking is that according to reporters live on the Hill (who were quoting authorities), the Hill was never filled to more than 85% capacity during either the afternoon or the evening show. This in spite of the fact that there many times more people waiting to enter at security than the actual capacity of the Hill.

So basically the checkpoints failed to process (approx) 30,000 people onto the Hill in the morning before the noon show, and even worse, failed to process a similar during the early afternoon and evening for the 9 pm show. (Accounting for people who left and whose spots could be filled by others coming in.)
only at 69% capacity as of 12:00pm. Ouch.

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I was referring specifically to the notion of partying. The best partying on Canada day happens in the market and, frankly, on the streets. I can't see anything ever stopping that.

Of course the hill is the focal point with concerts and speeches and so forth but I for one never really considered it as the go-to spot for partying on that day.
^Perhaps it's time to let people drink in public. At least for this one day a year
     
     
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Made this little Friday-Sunday time lapse from the Hill cam (you can right-click on the video to slow down): https://streamable.com/si2qn
     
     
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Isn't the Hill the centre of Canada Day activity? Nothing much goes on south or west of the Hill. Yes, there are a few other venues, but without reasonable access to the concerts, the event is much diminished.

As to your last comment, if we persist in this need for airport security, there are going to be a lot of people not wanting to repeat this year's experience.

Let's face it, what would have happened if the weather was half decent? It was already called a fiasco in one of the headlines. Can you imagine if the anticipated 500,000 had shown up? Obviously, the planners were not the least bit prepared.
I was downtown with my family and found lots of things to do without going on the Hill. I agree that the fun of Canada Day is walking around on the car-free streets, enjoying the free shows all around downtown, and grabbing a drink on a patio.

Do we know how many people showed up? I haven't seen a number. It definitely seemed a lot busier than normal, and the museums reported double the number of visitors.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2017, 3:27 AM
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They just interviewed Ottawa Police Chief Bordeleau on CBC TV. It provided interesting insight. There were no significant incidents. The question was posed about security on the Hill versus Major's Hill Park where there was no TSA style security. The Chief indicated that both locations were secure because there was lots of police presence. The decision for TSA style security on Parliament Hill was made by the RCMP and Parliament Security. If that is the case, then it is time to relocate the venue for the main shows to another location in the downtown area. Leave Parliament Hill for minor activities that will not attract massive crowds that could be easily be dealt with their stringent security requirements. Spreading out large crowds over a wider area in downtown would also be beneficial in accommodating more people.
     
     
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They just interviewed Ottawa Police Chief Bordeleau on CBC TV. It provided interesting insight. There were no significant incidents. The question was posed about security on the Hill versus Major's Hill Park where there was no TSA style security. The Chief indicated that both locations were secure because there was lots of police presence. The decision for TSA style security on Parliament Hill was made by the RCMP and Parliament Security. If that is the case, then it is time to relocate the venue for the main shows to another location in the downtown area. Leave Parliament Hill for minor activities that will not attract massive crowds that could be easily be dealt with their stringent security requirements. Spreading out large crowds over a wider area in downtown would also be beneficial in accommodating more people.
It's something I've wondered about, but the idea is based on the assumption that security would be softer at another location. I don't know that that is an accurate assumption in the current environment, although it would take Parliament security out of the equation. Could Lebreton Flats Park in front of the War Museum be an option?
     
     
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It's something I've wondered about, but the idea is based on the assumption that security would be softer at another location. I don't know that that is an accurate assumption in the current environment, although it would take Parliament security out of the equation. Could Lebreton Flats Park in front of the War Museum be an option?
The main advantage of moving it off the hill is it gets the PPS (which seems to be the weakest link) out of the picture.

Interestingly the US Embassy had an off site screening facility for their 4th of July event last night (at the aviation museum) with shuttle buses delivering people right to the secure zone. Maybe that is a model to follow.
     
     
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This is what we need:

1. A bigger venue probably out on Lebreton Flats.
2. More screening lines. We need to get the time down to 15 minutes.
3. Someone who can decide when the venue is full at any particular time so people can go elsewhere without delay.
4. Adequate food, beverage, and sanitation within the venue
5. More Canada Day activities between Lebreton Flats and downtown. In other words, make it a bigger event spread over a wider area.
5. Get the indigenous community involved and make Victoria Island a focus.

We cannot allow security to become a downer as it was obviously for too many people this year.
     
     
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only at 69% capacity as of 12:00pm. Ouch.

"@CBCKatie Jul 1
https://twitter.com/CBCKatie/status/881190534978711554
PPS (Parliamentary Protective Services) says 21,300 people on Parliament Hill as of 12:00. Asking ppl to be patient, aware of flooded areas"
A couple of things:

1. 500,000 people were never going to be accommodated on the Hill. The remainder of downtown is always absolutely crawling with people. I don't know why the NCC would keep quoting 500,000. Maybe tourists total? Looking from the bottom of Rideau in the market up towards Wellington in past years, I could believe a few hundred thousand just mill-about downtown on Canada Day on a regular year.

2. Everyone (everyone being myself) in previous years, used to appreciate not bothering with the security to get directly on the hill, and simply use Wellington to walk across, see the sights, and carry on. This year that was not possible, and it was a huge buzz-kill to not even be able to see parliament hill from any vantage point, without going through the crazy security. If RCMP can go back to hill-security only and leave wellington out of it, this would be better. I'm assuming a non-crowd controlled wellington street can accommodate close to 100,000 from Colonel By to Bank Street. The question of 'security' is ridiculous anyways, and every year I point out that 10,000 people on the hill are secure, and 400,000 crowded into directly adjacent territory are not. Even the prince traveled in an open-air buggy through the throngs of the unwashed and unsecured. There's a cost-benefit that needs to be controlled.

3. Major's hill park gets smaller and smaller every year as the stage there gets bigger and bigger. Watching fireworks was really unpleasant being corralled into a 20-foot wide trail along the cliff-face, with a fence bordering the entire length backing onto the 'backstage' area. The crowd became extremely dense and with no escape in any direction it was very claustrophobic and people started to get antsy and shouty. The same place on New Years Eve was spectacular, with lots of free space to enjoy the park and the fireworks. Maybe time to change the stage/backstage layout.
     
     
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In my humble opinion

1. The main stage should be at Lebreton. They have to have the stages, fencing, porta potties, food vendors, etc a week later for bluesfest anyway, and there wouldn't be a need for such vigourous screening.

2. The VIPs should remain on the hill, there should be a limited number number (10-20k) of public tickets (preferably reserved in advance) and screening should be done west of the parliament buildings (maybe where the vehicle screening is done now).

3. Wellington Street should be open to the public between the East Block entrance (where the PM, GG, royals, etc. would come) and about Bank so people that don't have tickets or general tourists can get reasonably close to the action.

4. There should be a 400 series bus service serving the LAC parking lot and another on Laurier (snow bus style) to take pressure off the LRT.

5. Major's hill park should have light programming (small stages, food vendors, etc) and be mostly open to the public for firework viewing, relaxing, etc).

6. Some of the downtown food courts should be open (notably CD Howe and WEP).
     
     
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I left for the festivities at about 2 pm. I parked at the Robert Guertin arena.. the lot was pretty full but I had no trouble finding a spot. Buses came every 10 mins and it took about the same time to get to Alexandra Bridge.

Walked to Major's Hill. Got some food pretty quickly. This was when the sun came out and it was baking. Took a stroll to Rideau and went back through the Market. The crowds were pretty large but manageable.

Walked back across the bridge around 7 pm and picked out a spot near the Museum of History. Got soaked, but stayed in my spot. Saw the fireworks. Spectacular.

I ended up walking back to Robert Guertin due to the traffic mess.. it was actually faster than waiting for a bus. Allumettières was a parking lot.

I ended up getting back home one hour later (12:30 am). I've never seen rush hour traffic at midnight in this city before
     
     
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Back to the topic: the idea of moving the big entertainment-y party to Lebreton, and maybe synching things like stage construction to Large Music Festival With Perennially Uninteresting-to-this-Music-Fan Lineup, is well worth pursuing.

I made the mistake of watching the bang-bangs from the Sussex Drive area. The high humidity turned the smoke into instasmog, and after about half a dozen bang-bangs, the rest were mostly invisible except as flashes from the cloud of instasmog.

I'm surprised more Hill-facing offices don't have office parties.
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Made this little Friday-Sunday time lapse from the Hill cam (you can right-click on the video to slow down): https://streamable.com/si2qn
You can see that it never approached capacity...

Having said that, it was stated numerous times that the rain prevented Hill security from letting too many people onto the Hill, given how sopping wet the grounds were. I would guess this is more to blame than the inability to process people quickly enough.
     
     
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Several more overwhelming negative letters to the editor appeared in the Ottawa Citizen yesterday concerning Canada Day. As some have already suggested, only the VIPs were being secured and even some of them arriving by open carriage were not secure. Some of the letters involved out of town visitors who were not happy with the experience.

I hope everybody in charge is paying attention.
     
     
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Several more overwhelming negative letters to the editor appeared in the Ottawa Citizen yesterday concerning Canada Day. As some have already suggested, only the VIPs were being secured and even some of them arriving by open carriage were not secure. Some of the letters involved out of town visitors who were not happy with the experience.

I hope everybody in charge is paying attention.
Actually, to the extent the comments come from people with no background in security, I rather hope (and trust) that those in charge are not paying attention.
I can't comment on the open carriage ride, but to say only VIPs were 'secured" on the Hill seems like nonsense to me.
     
     
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Actually, to the extent the comments come from people with no background in security, I rather hope (and trust) that those in charge are not paying attention.
I can't comment on the open carriage ride, but to say only VIPs were 'secured" on the Hill seems like nonsense to me.
As long as we are living in a democratic society, those in charge better be listening to the public. What happened on July 1st is unacceptable. It goes beyond security if there is not enough food and washrooms available in the secure zone. I am sorry but it is very important to listen.

As I said before, if Parliament Hill is such a security concern, move the Canada Day concerts to another venue. Many have already commented that the general public was not in a secure situation downtown and the security line-ups themselves were a security concern.

I believe that the security experts are human and there were errors made in the way it was organized. One thing that has become abundantly obvious is that there was poor coordination between the city and the feds on handling security on the Hill and elsewhere.
     
     
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