The Stack (1133 Melville) | 161m | 36fl | Completed

[mcminsen]

Originally Posted by Klazu

photo by Oxford Properties via Vancitybuzz.

This building could have a major impact on the view of the Trump tower and the view from the Trump tower. As you can see in my pic below from Lonsdale Quay, the Trump tower and Harbour Green #2 (?) align almost perfectly from that vantage point and the slim profile of Trump is quite distinct. When you look at the render above and any of the maps, 1133 Melville is right in the middle of those two. Only the very highest of floors of Trump will be visible from Lonsdale Quay and most of the north facing Trump units will be looking at a huge office wall. I'd be mighty peeved if I had just purchased in Trump on one of the affected floors.



Aug.9 '15, my pic

[trofirhen]

I respect your point of view, but got wondering...... on a larger scale, including downtown and and other areas with a concentration of high rises-
every thime a new building goes up, Somebody, Somewhere is at risk of having their view blocked. Does this mean, further rigging and the jigging the Viewcones, or at the most extreme, to stop building buildings altogether??
Virtually nobody is free from the risk of having a view blocked .... but I do appreciate your PoV.

[mcminsen]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I respect your point of view, but got wondering...... on a larger scale, including downtown and and other areas with a concentration of high rises-
every thime a new building goes up, Somebody, Somewhere is at risk of having their view blocked. Does this mean, further rigging and the jigging the Viewcones, or at the most extreme, to stop building buildings altogether??
Virtually nobody is free from the risk of having a view blocked .... but I do appreciate your PoV.

I'm neither for or against the residents of Trump or the developer of 1133 Melville. I'm just making the observation that the current design could have a big impact.

Having a new building block somebody else's view is a given, of course. It's not so much that the loss of view can be stopped but that it can be mitigated by tweaking the design of a new building. I have first hand experience with that in my present apartment at 822 Homer Street. When I bought my unit in 2001 I had a wide open and glorious view to the west that included One Wall Centre and I could even see far up Robson Street. Not surprisingly, most of that is gone now. The biggest impact was when the Atelier building went up immediately across from my windows. It was a very difficult site to design for with constraints on all sides. What I'm thankful for is that at least the facade I'm facing is curved. It didn't save my view but it did make it a lot less onerous than a flat facade would have been.

So, I'm wondering if the design for 1133 might be tweaked in a similar way. The view of and from Trump will still be blocked to some extent but it could be mitigated a bit. What if they pulled the south corners in a bit and make the the tower floor plate more of a trapezoid to lessen the impact on the Trump tower's view? What if a more stepped design was used where there was still a substantial number of large floor plates lower down but set backs going up. And going up higher than the current design. Of course, it gets much more complex then with the elevators and higher costs.




My view, Aug.10 '15, my pic

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by mcminsen

I'm neither for or against the residents of Trump or the developer of 1133 Melville. I'm just making the observation that the current design could have a big impact.

Having a new building block somebody else's view is a given, of course. It's not so much that the loss of view can be stopped but that it can be mitigated by tweaking the design of a new building. I have first hand experience with that in my present apartment at 822 Homer Street. When I bought my unit in 2001 I had a wide open and glorious view to the west that included One Wall Centre and I could even see far up Robson Street. Not surprisingly, most of that is gone now. The biggest impact was when the Atelier building went up immediately across from my windows. It was a very difficult site to design for with constraints on all sides. What I'm thankful for is that at least the facade I'm facing is curved. It didn't save my view but it did make it a lot less onerous than a flat facade would have been.

So, I'm wondering if the design for 1133 might be tweaked in a similar way. The view of and from Trump will still be blocked to some extent but it could be mitigated a bit. What if they pulled the south corners in a bit and make the the tower floor plate more of a trapezoid to lessen the impact on the Trump tower's view? What if a more stepped design was used where there was still a substantial number of large floor plates lower down but set backs going up. And going up higher than the current design. Of course, it gets much more complex then with the elevators and higher costs.




My view, Aug.10 '15, my pic

Well, I have to say I appreciate your suggestion. (the UDP panel probably wouldn't)

[Infrequent Poster]

[QUOTE=Klazu;7111121]Okay, let me begin the thread for this one since nobody else seems to be doing it.








While I respect this building is kind of taller for Vancouver, and I am enjoying the large footprint. The above photo to me illustrates how vancouver really needs to start building things 180 -200+ metres to really get rid of the pronounced tabletop in the downtown.

You could just about lay a straight edge from the top of the georgia to the top of the building this thread is about, and have it just about perfectly intersect the top of every single building in between. I realize part of this is perspective or where the picture was taken from but.....FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BUILD SOME TALLER BLOODY BUILDINGS!!!

Anyhow....just my two cents.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Infrequent Poster

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BUILD SOME TALLER BLOODY BUILDINGS!!!

Right on!

[Caliplanner1]

[QUOTE=Infrequent Poster;7124683]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Okay, let me begin the thread for this one since nobody else seems to be doing it.








While I respect this building is kind of taller for Vancouver, and I am enjoying the large footprint. The above photo to me illustrates how vancouver really needs to start building things 180 -200+ metres to really get rid of the pronounced tabletop in the downtown.

You could just about lay a straight edge from the top of the georgia to the top of the building this thread is about, and have it just about perfectly intersect the top of every single building in between. I realize part of this is perspective or where the picture was taken from but.....FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BUILD SOME TALLER BLOODY BUILDINGS!!!

Anyhow....just my two cents.

The above representation of 1133 Melville looks about the same height as some of the shorter 140+ meter buildings in the CBD. Is it possible to get a more height realistic rendering?

[officedweller]

1133 Melville's site is downhill from the other buildings.

[Caliplanner1]

Originally Posted by officedweller

1133 Melville's site is downhill from the other buildings.

In that case 1133 Melville does not really do anything to disrupt the table top image of the downtown skyline.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Caliplanner1

In that case 1133 Melville does not really do anything to disrupt the table top image of the downtown skyline.

The possible future project that might do that is the 700 footer zone at Burrard and Georgia, SW corner.

[Metro-One]

The rendering still looks off, no way that it is 20 meters downhill from the neighboring towers as depicted in that rendering. Especially since several of those towers in the foreground sit directly at sea level (or only a few meters above).

[scrapin]

Awesome, it looks great, should be a welcome edition to downtown van.

[Ridgerunner]

Originally Posted by Vin

Right on!

not just taller please. Seattle has announced some 102 story tower next to their 76 story tower.

but it looks like just a spire going up.

I would much rather have a series of 60 story building that are really innovative.

There is a cluster of GREAT designs proposed for west Georgia. I love those .. repeat .. love those.

The city of van should be encouraged to make those west Georgia buildings happen.

Great design, not just height make for a great city.

Kudos to the people who put up the BC Tel building on Georgia at Seymour/Richards. The cantilever over Seymour is brilliant.

Give people who do that density options, reduced amenity costs, fast track planning and approval ... with my blessing.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Ridgerunner

not just taller please. Seattle has announced some 102 story tower next to their 76 story tower. .....but it looks like just a spire going up.

I would much rather have a series of 60 story building that are really innovative.................

There is a cluster of GREAT designs proposed for west Georgia. I love those .. repeat .. love those............
The city of van should be encouraged to make those west Georgia buildings happen.

Great design, not just height make for a great city.
...........

Yes!! People have this thing about HEIGHT .... and it's so unreal, becuase sooner or later someone will build a taller one somewhere. I think height is good,
but am totally against height for height's sake. Good design is really where it's at, be it tall or not so tall. (IMO)

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Ridgerunner

not just taller please. Seattle has announced some 102 story tower next to their 76 story tower.

but it looks like just a spire going up.

I would much rather have a series of 60 story building that are really innovative.

There is a cluster of GREAT designs proposed for west Georgia. I love those .. repeat .. love those.

The city of van should be encouraged to make those west Georgia buildings happen.

Great design, not just height make for a great city.

Kudos to the people who put up the BC Tel building on Georgia at Seymour/Richards. The cantilever over Seymour is brilliant.

Give people who do that density options, reduced amenity costs, fast track planning and approval ... with my blessing.

I like the skyline to vary in heights, and a series of 60 storey buildings just don't work for me (no matter how innovative they are), especially if you view the city from afar. Table-topping as most call it is definitely a no-no for me. When people call for taller structures, why would others immediately jump to the conclusion and automatically assume that they don't care about the aesthetics? Can't a building be really tall and beautiful as well?

BTW, BC Tel is a rather old school name. It's called Telus now. And I do love this building, but many others don't.

[Ridgerunner]

Originally Posted by Vin

I like the skyline to vary in heights, and a series of 60 storey buildings just don't work for me (no matter how innovative they are), especially if you view the city from afar. Table-topping as most call it is definitely a no-no for me. When people call for taller structures, why would others immediately jump to the conclusion and automatically assume that they don't care about the aesthetics? Can't a building be really tall and beautiful as well?

BTW, BC Tel is a rather old school name. It's called Telus now. And I do love this building, but many others don't.

BC tel they were and BC Tel they shall remain.

Anyway, i agree with you that the new building is a great addition.

In particular, I love the cantilever that is out over the street. What a great way to "un box" the structure.

I hope that the new Melville building at least tries to do something unusual.

Vancouver has enough tall buildings and enough boxes... and especially enough tall boxes.

[Mininari]

How is the office market looking in Vancouver these days... will it be able to absorb this along with 745 West Thurlow, The Exchange, 1090 w. Pender, et al.?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Ridgerunner

BC tel they were and BC Tel they shall remain.

Anyway, i agree with you that the new building is a great addition.

In particular, I love the cantilever that is out over the street. What a great way to "un box" the structure.

I hope that the new Melville building at least tries to do something unusual.

Vancouver has enough tall buildings and enough boxes... and especially enough tall boxes.

Yup, isn't the BC Tel tower great? The area is sizzling with really vibrant urban energy, more than any other downtown office tower developments. Love the contrasts of the boxes and the wood arch, complete with LED lighting.

For this Melville tower, the height restrictions somehow make it look rather fat (I know it's not designed to allowable height). It would be nice to have a skinnier but taller tower, at 50% more height, but with a plaza surrounded by a food centre and cafe/shops at the base. That would help bring some life to that corner of Melville. The skyline would also look amazing with the tower protruding from those stout towers in the area.

[officedweller]

Renderings filed with the City updated August 12, 2015:

http://former.vancouver.ca/commsvcs/...ille/index.htm


http://former.vancouver.ca/commsvcs/...ille/index.htm

Compare with rendering on Page 1 of this thread - they've added Shangri-La behind the tower:

Originally Posted by Klazu

Okay, let me begin the thread for this one since nobody else seems to be doing it.



All photos by Oxford Properties via Vancitybuzz.

[domusile]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

The possible future project that might do that is the 700 footer zone at Burrard and Georgia, SW corner.

the burrard building???