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Are you guys talking about the plastic temporary toilets like they have at festivals? Those things are ugly eyesores.

I wouldn't want those as semi-permanent fixtures in our parks.

Something like this is another story:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4079...7i13312!8i6656
Yeah, the temp ones you would see at festivals and RedBlack games. Not ideal from an esthetic or even sanitary stand point, but better than nothing. And in Ottawa, it's a whole lot of nothing.
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Yeah, the temp ones you would see at festivals and RedBlack games.
Was very jarring to go to a brand new, recently-renovated, multi-million dollar south stand and see them install porta-potties because they didn't build enough physical washrooms into the stand itself.
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Officials announce $1.69 million for ByWard Market infrastructure including self-cleaning public washroom

Megan Gillis, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Jul 20, 2021 • 3 hours ago • 1 minute read


Federal, provincial and city officials announced $1.69 million to improve ByWard Market infrastructure Tuesday — including a new self-cleaning public bathroom — aimed at tackling pandemic impacts.

A total of $950,000 will go to upgrade the envelope, windows and masonry of the historic ByWard Market Building while $740,000 will add the stand-alone washroom and improve “wayfinding” in the area.

The federal government is spending $3.1 million on 16 projects in Ottawa through a COVID-19 resilience infrastructure stream to repair and upgrade municipal buildings. The Ontario government kicked in another $779,000 to the projects.

The ByWard Market Building and surrounding streets are one of the country’s oldest markets and remains among the capital’s most popular destinations, Mona Fortier, the minister of middle class prosperity and Ottawa-Vanier MP, said in a release.

“These infrastructure improvements will ensure the longevity of the building and neighbourhood for many years to come, so that it can continue to serve as a gathering place, promote local tourism, and support local boutiques and restaurants.”

Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury said that the last 18 months have underscored the need for access and maintenance to public spaces with these “micro investments” a good example.

Access to clean, safe public washrooms and upgrades to the market building line up with an existing public realm plan for the neighbourhood calling for close to $130 million in improvements to public spaces to keep the market a place for locals, tourists and businesses, he said.

Almost a year ago, Catherine McKenna, minister of infrastructure and communities and Ottawa Centre MP, announced more than $3.3 billion to help Canadian municipalities recover from the pandemic.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...ublic-washroom
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Still no word on where those washrooms will be. They'd better be open 24h a day.
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Today's letters: Flush away this high-tech toilet, Ottawa

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Publishing date: Jul 24, 2021 • 5 hours ago • 10 minute read


Self-cleaning public toilets won’t fix our problem


Re: Officials announce $1.69 million for ByWard Market infrastructure including self-cleaning public washroom, July 20.

We are writing to express our concern about the plan to install a self-cleaning public washroom in the ByWard Market. While we fully support a public toilet in that area, our research indicates that a self-cleaning toilet is likely to be excessively expensive, both to install and, importantly, to maintain.

Canadian experience with these toilets in Montreal and Vancouver reveals significant problems. Not only are they initially very expensive, they are technically complicated and thus costly to maintain. Vancouver, for example, has experienced frequent mechanical issues and, at one point, had to import a technician from France to do the work.

Montreal’s self-cleaning toilets have also had mixed reviews.

A public toilet with a contractor hired to clean and monitor it seems a better choice. Not only does it assure regular cleaning and maintenance, it also provides greater safety and some flexibility. As just one example, a 2020 pilot project done in Edmonton (Whyte Avenue Public Toilet) found that the benefits included reduced police presence, reduced number of illegal incidents, and overall increased usage by the public.

We urge the city to reconsider the plan for a self-cleaning public toilet.

Bessa Whitmore, GottaGo campaign (www.ottawapublictoilets.ca), Ottawa


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I had wondered about Vancouver's efforts in this area for a few years with automated set-ups.

And we still need to get a system across the city operating 24-7. Sooner than later, please.
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City to roll out community engagement team, mental health strategy for ByWard Market, Lowertown

Taylor Blewett, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Dec 12, 2021 • 1 hour ago • 6 minute read




Amid a confluence of challenges that include a homelessness crisis, toxic drug supply and pandemic disruptions to businesses and services vital to community well-being, one thing is clear: the Lowertown-ByWard Market neighbourhood needs some help.

In hopes of addressing this, work has started on a mental health strategy for the community. In the interim, the city will be rolling out an engagement team of dedicated staff – which will also cover the Sandy Hill neighbourhood – tasked with listening to the concerns of residents and local businesses and trying to coordinate responses to some of the complex challenges the area is grappling with.

“As in many communities across the City, the pandemic has had a visible and negative impact in the densely populated communities in the ByWard Market and Lowertown areas,” community and protective services associate GM Laila Gibbons told this newspaper, via email.

“The concentration of businesses, residents and social services has highlighted the need for a new strategy aimed at improving the health of the entire community.”

It’s still early days with planning ongoing, and stakeholders’ feelings about initiatives range from relief to optimism to wariness.

The new community engagement team, “really is a model of coordination of services and relief for the community in terms of making the calls and ensuring that the gaps in the community for response … are addressed, frankly,” said Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury. “Because people get tired of calling 911 or 311, and then never get the resolution.”

What would the team actually look like? City staff who are visible in the community, Fleury explained, connecting with businesses and residents. As issues emerge – maybe it’s a pattern of petty crime or activities related to mental health or addiction challenges – staff could take that information and work with partners to respond.

They’re expected to start their outreach work in the first quarter of 2022.

When you take the historic concentration of social services and supports in a single geographic area, and add to it changes in the drug supply, mental health and housing challenges, “it really starts to create a pressure cooker of a situation,” said Ottawa Markets executive director Zach Dayler, “where residents are frustrated, businesses are frustrated and absolutely, those who need these services are frustrated.”

For Dayler, it’s critical to not just identify the problem but to consider what he called “action-oriented solutions,” and if community stakeholders are on board, to find ways to contribute to those solutions.

Take the engagement team as an example. Ottawa Markets could step up and offers space in their ByWard building for that team to operate out of, Dayler suggested.

“I actually think if we’re going to have a robust solution to the problem, we have to dig a little bit deeper collectively in those things.”

Meanwhile, Ottawa Markets is doing its own planning to address one of the challenges it sees – the morning-after disarray from ByWard Market nightlife – in the form of an employment program offering a few hours of work cleaning up and resetting the area for low-income residents served by local organizations. There’s also a plan to provide a space next season for those who are creators to sell their wares.

The median household income in the ByWard Market and Lowertown areas are $54,686 and $34,677, respectively, according to Ottawa Neighbourhood Study data.

“When I compare that to our Parkdale market, for example, where the average income is over $100,000, you think, ‘Gosh, well, yeah … We need to structure the space for those who are here.’ And start building in more ownership,” said Dayler.

Sandra Milton, whose portfolio on the Lowertown Community Association executive involves community safety, said the association wants to work with the city, and understand more about the community engagement team pilot project and whether it will address the issues they have.

These include improperly discarded drug supplies, public drug use and bathroom behaviours. “Really we are looking for decentralization of services, said Milton. “We have many social services, many shelters, the injection sites … We cannot continue this way.”

Sandy Hill is seeing many of the same challenges, according to Action Sandy Hill Community Association president Susan Khazaeli. Longer-term solutions also include, in her eyes, stopping the concentration of social services in the ward, as well as a safe-supply drug policy approach and significant affordable housing investment. More immediately? Additional needle drop boxes, garbage receptacles, some public bathrooms and more proactive patrolling in the community to connect people in distress with the appropriate services.

Ottawa Inner City Health Executive Director Wendy Muckle said she thinks the community engagement team is a great idea. Area residents and businesses see around them a community that has changed, and Muckle believes it’s important to understand their perspective.

“I do think that the conventional way that those voices have been heard isn’t working for people right now. They don’t feel like they’re being heard. And so this is a great way to make sure that … people are asked directly and do have a voice in things.”

As for the broader ByWard Market and Lowertown mental health strategy, it’s a model the city is working on with Ottawa Inner City Health, public health, the police service, social service providers, businesses and resident representatives, said Gibbons, which will be piloted in the area. The project has been allocated $435,000 from the police budget, and Gibbons said implementation is slated for Spring 2022.

The plan is to develop a 24/7 community response team “to assist local residents and business owners in resolving issues using a neighbour-helping-neighbour model,” she said, as well as to increase “clinical care outreach” to people struggling with mental health or addiction, and to “facilitate seamless transitions to existing programs, services and sectors.”

There’s an app being designed for residents and businesses to report, in real-time, incidents of concern.

“Information from the app, combined with expert knowledge, will be analyzed and actioned in an effort to reduce social disorder, provide support and care needs of individuals and make changes to service systems to better support the community,” said Gibbons.

Muckle also sees community-derived data as an important tool. It can help determine if something is a pattern, rather than a one-off incident and whether a situation can be resolved through an individual intervention or calls for a system-level change.

“This is really a process to bring people together for them to decide as a community, what’s a problem, what’s not and what do we want to do about it?” she said.

Lowertown Community Resource Centre executive director Matthew Beutel sees potential for the mental health strategy to be beneficial. “The devil, of course, will be in the details and how it’s rolled out and how folks are involved,” he said.

For Beutel, the process has to be “properly inclusive,” and involve adequate consultation and consideration of all stakeholders – including those residents who live in Lowertown but don’t have organized representation.

It also wasn’t clear to him by this point the extent to which the initiative would lead to “an increase in the appropriate services by the appropriate people,” and whether increased resourcing and investment to respond to needs would be provided.

“Because if it’s just a strategy of what should be done without accompanying resources to get it done, then it’s not going to be worthwhile.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...rket-lowertown
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"...self-cleaning public washroom"
Why self-cleaning?

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"...self-cleaning public washroom"
Why self-cleaning?
Don't need to hire a cleaner. They clean themselves more often than a cleaner would. These are quite popular in other cities, I want to say Paris and Montreal.
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I have definitely used these in Paris next to the Eiffel Tower. Great in high-traffic areas. The only thing that was annoying was that it would HAVE to self clean in between every person, so it added an extra 30sec + wait in between users... made the wait that much longer - and for someone who had just downed 2 bottles of prosecco on the lawns it was quasi unbearable
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I have definitely used these in Paris next to the Eiffel Tower. Great in high-traffic areas. The only thing that was annoying was that it would HAVE to self clean in between every person, so it added an extra 30sec + wait in between users... made the wait that much longer - and for someone who had just downed 2 bottles of prosecco on the lawns it was quasi unbearable
30 seconds? Much faster than I thought! A cleaner would take 10-15 minutes, and do a questionable job. Sucks for the person waiting on him or her.
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I used the self-cleaning w/c in London. They cost a pound (like 2 bucks at the time) which was a bit crazy but self-clean between users so was VERY clean. I heard a story of a lady in West End London, all done up to go to a show, who snuck into one of these after another user before the doors closed. The door closed on her, locked, the lights turned off, and she got DEMOLISHED by the sprayers.....serves her right trying to avoid the charge

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This one is in Paris but it looks just like the one I used in London....except the Paris ones are free! I guess they are trying to rid Paris of street-pee'ers. This was a strange public campaign last time I was there:

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I thought I'd add to the public toilet discussion and share the Tokyo Toilet Project. They got a variety of architects to design unique public toilets. The colourful ones by Shigeru Ban are my favourite and become opaque when in use. They also glow at night. As a person with a chronic condition, I would appreciate having more public washrooms. Montreal even built some beautiful public washrooms during the great depression which have since been repurposed for other uses, like a refreshment and news stand.

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Money for public washroom in Centretown a relief to nearby businesses
Committee approves $1M funding envelope as staff search for self-cleaning models

Arthur White-Crummey · CBC News
Posted: Nov 28, 2024 5:38 PM EST | Last Updated: 2 hours ago


Jenna Ladd considers access to washrooms a basic human right — and one that's too often denied those who hang out near her business by Dundonald Park.

"Similar to food, similar to shelter," she said, "and if that doesn't exist, it's not their problem, it's our problem."

Too often, it is indeed her problem, as she graphically informed council's transportation committee on Thursday.

"We found human feces scattered along our laneway, on our walls, on our front door gardens, and urine splashed along our door, the adjacent fence, along our garage door, pretty much in every corner and every facet of the exterior of our building," said Ladd, who owns Iron North Studio on Somerset Street.

She doesn't blame the culprits, who may be homeless and have few other options.

"When you've got to go, you've got to go," she said.

But Ladd sees relief around the corner — in the 2025 city budget. It commits up to $1 million to build a public washroom somewhere in Centretown.

Court Curry, the city's right-of-way manager, said the money will fund one facility with two stalls. He said Dundonald Park has been floated as a desired location, though the city hasn't yet selected a spot and will rely in part on public consultation to find one.

Curry said the issue is long-standing. He called much of Centretown a public washroom desert, and said parents, joggers and tourists could all benefit from facilities. In his view, though, the need seems to be getting more acute.

"Certainly, in the inner core, we have seen a rise in public defecation coming out of COVID and the drug and unhoused crisis that our city is in," he told reporters.

Council's transportation committee voted in favour of the investment, which will still need city council's approval.

Knoxdale-Merivale Coun. Sean Devine said the idea has a lot of value. He said it could have widespread application, including in the suburbs. Still, he questioned the high cost estimate.

Curry said there will be a competitive procurement process. He said the $1-million envelope includes a contingency and is based on the cost of self-cleaning stalls.

"These two units, if they are self-cleaning, would be essentially like a car wash," he said. "When you finish going to the washroom, you exit the unit, the entire unit is completely sanitized over a few minutes and then it's available for its next occupant."

He said the city still hasn't chosen a specific technology. If there's money left over, it could fund other washrooms. He called it a pilot project that could be further expanded.

Somerset Coun. Ariel Troster, whose ward includes Centretown and Dundonald Park, called the plan exciting. But she said she's also heard some cynicism about the idea.

"I just think there's some concern about them being trashed, or about a high level of use and cleanliness," she said. "I've heard other examples where there's an opportunity to get the local community involved as caretakers."

Curry agreed that, yes, the washrooms may require additional support — and said the budget allows for that.

He explained that some self-cleaning models also have special features that guard against the safety issues associated with illicit drug use in unsupervised spaces.

"They do have components within them that ensure they are safe for both the user and those outside of the unit," he said. "That can include special lighting, that can include an S.O.S. button, that can include the door opening that ensures that folks don't remain trapped inside."

He reassured reporters that, at least for some models, the automatic door-opening function can be overridden to avoid unwelcome interruptions when nature demands an extra-long stay.

"There's 60 of them in Canada, there's thousands around the world," he said. "We will endeavour to find the best fit for Ottawa."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...sses-1.7396193
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Money for public washroom in Centretown a relief to nearby businesses
Committee approves $1M funding envelope as staff search for self-cleaning models

Arthur White-Crummey · CBC News
Posted: Nov 28, 2024 5:38 PM EST | Last Updated: 2 hours ago


Jenna Ladd considers access to washrooms a basic human right — and one that's too often denied those who hang out near her business by Dundonald Park.

"Similar to food, similar to shelter," she said, "and if that doesn't exist, it's not their problem, it's our problem."

Too often, it is indeed her problem, as she graphically informed council's transportation committee on Thursday.

"We found human feces scattered along our laneway, on our walls, on our front door gardens, and urine splashed along our door, the adjacent fence, along our garage door, pretty much in every corner and every facet of the exterior of our building," said Ladd, who owns Iron North Studio on Somerset Street.

She doesn't blame the culprits, who may be homeless and have few other options.

"When you've got to go, you've got to go," she said.

But Ladd sees relief around the corner — in the 2025 city budget. It commits up to $1 million to build a public washroom somewhere in Centretown.

Court Curry, the city's right-of-way manager, said the money will fund one facility with two stalls. He said Dundonald Park has been floated as a desired location, though the city hasn't yet selected a spot and will rely in part on public consultation to find one.

Curry said the issue is long-standing. He called much of Centretown a public washroom desert, and said parents, joggers and tourists could all benefit from facilities. In his view, though, the need seems to be getting more acute.

"Certainly, in the inner core, we have seen a rise in public defecation coming out of COVID and the drug and unhoused crisis that our city is in," he told reporters.

Council's transportation committee voted in favour of the investment, which will still need city council's approval.

Knoxdale-Merivale Coun. Sean Devine said the idea has a lot of value. He said it could have widespread application, including in the suburbs. Still, he questioned the high cost estimate.

Curry said there will be a competitive procurement process. He said the $1-million envelope includes a contingency and is based on the cost of self-cleaning stalls.

"These two units, if they are self-cleaning, would be essentially like a car wash," he said. "When you finish going to the washroom, you exit the unit, the entire unit is completely sanitized over a few minutes and then it's available for its next occupant."

He said the city still hasn't chosen a specific technology. If there's money left over, it could fund other washrooms. He called it a pilot project that could be further expanded.

Somerset Coun. Ariel Troster, whose ward includes Centretown and Dundonald Park, called the plan exciting. But she said she's also heard some cynicism about the idea.

"I just think there's some concern about them being trashed, or about a high level of use and cleanliness," she said. "I've heard other examples where there's an opportunity to get the local community involved as caretakers."

Curry agreed that, yes, the washrooms may require additional support — and said the budget allows for that.

He explained that some self-cleaning models also have special features that guard against the safety issues associated with illicit drug use in unsupervised spaces.

"They do have components within them that ensure they are safe for both the user and those outside of the unit," he said. "That can include special lighting, that can include an S.O.S. button, that can include the door opening that ensures that folks don't remain trapped inside."

He reassured reporters that, at least for some models, the automatic door-opening function can be overridden to avoid unwelcome interruptions when nature demands an extra-long stay.

"There's 60 of them in Canada, there's thousands around the world," he said. "We will endeavour to find the best fit for Ottawa."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...sses-1.7396193
So this is part of 'transportation' but the city rejected having them incorporated into every LRT station throughout this city to have bathroom facilities at EVERY stop on the non fare side. Ugg the lack of long term vision and corner cutting is infuriating.
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Excuse me, a MILLION DOLLARS for 1 public washroom?? That should be enough to build 6 or 8 of them... Centretown, Byward, Lansdowne, etc...
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Excuse me, a MILLION DOLLARS for 1 public washroom?? That should be enough to build 6 or 8 of them... Centretown, Byward, Lansdowne, etc...
We could use a few of these around the downtown area too. I was in an area of London and these pop up in the evening hours.

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Excuse me, a MILLION DOLLARS for 1 public washroom?? That should be enough to build 6 or 8 of them... Centretown, Byward, Lansdowne, etc...
Lansdowne does have a public toilet - but it's somewhat hidden if you don't already know it's there. It's inside the south end of the Aberdeen Pavilion - it's convenient for the users of the park - although not as much for everyone else. Google street view
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So this is part of 'transportation' but the city rejected having them incorporated into every LRT station throughout this city to have bathroom facilities at EVERY stop on the non fare side. Ugg the lack of long term vision and corner cutting is infuriating.
A month ago I was heading downtown with a 4 year old. We got into Tunney’s Pasture on a bus when the kid tells me he needed to pee. Well, that day they were running the trains on platform 2 and cordoned off platform 1 where the washrooms are. With the train about to leave we just boarded it, and I just crossed my fingers that the toddler could hold it until we got to Rideau. I had a plastic bag just in case….

When Tunney’ Pasture isn’t the terminus anymore, that washroom location is going to be inconvenient for downtown bound passengers. Ideal location would have been on the concourse level.

…in the end the kid did hold it, we rushed up the elevator into the Rideau Centre and I picked him up to run to the nearest washroom. On the way there he spots the Lego store and he wants me to stop. Oh no kid, we are not!
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Lansdowne does have a public toilet - but it's somewhat hidden if you don't already know it's there. It's inside the south end of the Aberdeen Pavilion - it's convenient for the users of the park - although not as much for everyone else. Google street view
In my mind it isn't a public toilet if it has 'hours'. Is this open all hours?
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