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Old Posted Mar 27, 2013, 6:35 PM
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Urbsite blog about the building's history.

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I like the proposed heights and the hotel is nice, but the condo is seriously bulky and the design REALLY doesn't fit with the area.
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i like the proposed heights and the hotel is nice, but the condo is seriously bulky and the design really doesn't fit with the area.
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2013, 12:38 PM
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I'm conflicted on this one. The proposed uses are great. It never hurts to have more people living in a pedestrian oriented area and the market badly needs a classy hotel.

On the other hand, I'd agree that the condo tower is too hefty for the location. There should at least be a nod to the low rise nature of the market by creating a proper podium and a skinnier tower.

As for the Union of Canada building, I wish they had done something much more creative with it. The building isn't an ugly design. It's just shabby because it's 45 years old. Think of what some of the towers being built today will look like at 45.
A smart, sensitive reno of the building would have emphasized its strengths, its geometry and symmetry. New glazing would go a long way to reducing the visual clutter that currently takes away from this effect. I would have even appreciated a post modern remaking of the tower, perhaps with some very obviously different cladding for that final unglazed floor. I'm sure there are thousands of architects with an appreciation for mid-century modern who could have thought of something more creative. The current proposal just takes the skeleton of the old building and creates a clone of all the current condos going up in the city.
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2013, 4:33 PM
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So the question of the day to everyone is: Is the proposed reclad, all things considered, going to result in better, worse or equal building?
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So the question of the day to everyone is: Is the proposed reclad, all things considered, going to result in better, worse or equal building?
Worse in my opinion. As umbria27 said in the previous post, a sensitive renovation/addition by an architect (and client) with an appreciation for mid-century modern would have been my preference. The proposal looks pretty generic and I agree that the condo tower is extremely bulky but I would not expect anything more from Claridge. When I found out they were the developer of this site, I shed a tear.

They hired a decent architecture firm for their Carling/Preston tower, why couldn't they push things a bit for the market?
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2013, 9:04 PM
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Maybe claridge could keep the angled windows?
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2013, 5:37 PM
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Hotel conversion approved for Union du Canada building in ByWard Market

By David Reevely, OTTAWA CITIZEN April 24, 2013 1:22 PM


OTTAWA — The old Union du Canada building can be converted to an 18-storey hotel and a 22-storey condo can be built next door, city council decided Wednesday.

In unanimous votes, council approved Claridge Homes’s plan to “reclad” the outside of the former insurance company headquarters and add several storeys to it, build the condo, and include a garage they can both share. The plan is controversial in the ByWard Market largely because the Union du Canada building is already so much taller than anything around it and neighbours don’t see how making it taller will help anything.

Claridge expects there’s a market for a new luxury hotel, particularly in that part of the city, and is pairing it with the more traditional condominium development because the company is more familiar with that kind of a project and is more confident of the economics of the package than it is of the plan for a hotel alone.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Hotel+c...#ixzz2RP4GeXWu
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Old Posted May 9, 2013, 6:00 AM
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I'm conflicted on this one. The proposed uses are great. It never hurts to have more people living in a pedestrian oriented area and the market badly needs a classy hotel.

On the other hand, I'd agree that the condo tower is too hefty for the location. There should at least be a nod to the low rise nature of the market by creating a proper podium and a skinnier tower.

As for the Union of Canada building, I wish they had done something much more creative with it. The building isn't an ugly design. It's just shabby because it's 45 years old. Think of what some of the towers being built today will look like at 45.
A smart, sensitive reno of the building would have emphasized its strengths, its geometry and symmetry. New glazing would go a long way to reducing the visual clutter that currently takes away from this effect. I would have even appreciated a post modern remaking of the tower, perhaps with some very obviously different cladding for that final unglazed floor. I'm sure there are thousands of architects with an appreciation for mid-century modern who could have thought of something more creative. The current proposal just takes the skeleton of the old building and creates a clone of all the current condos going up in the city.
Agree 100%. People have to realize that the union building is a piece of architecture history. I don't think anyone loves the current state that it's in but it could easily be cleaned up on the outside with some new cladding and new windows (even coloured, tinted, etc) and it would look great.

It's sad to see a comment from the heritage committee such as this...

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Claridge needs permission from the city’s committee on heritage buildings because the tower is in a heritage conservation district, where individual projects get reviewed to make sure they don’t wreck the neighbourhood.

The original building did quite enough damage, so that’s not something anybody really has to worry about, the heritage report says. It’s “completely out of context in terms of scale, design, materials (and) detailing” and it’s a landmark “only because of its size.” It is one of several towers in the area whose “enormous vertical and horizontal dimension, their siting and their materials and detailing, have in many cases destroyed the continuity that existed earlier.”
So what they're saying is that the building already ruined the area at the time it was built so let's continue to do so? What kind of attitude is this?

I feel like the city has no development committee and doesn't understand urban planning?

Why do residents in these buildings pay so much in city tax, but the builders/developers pay pennies to re-zone, build and convert parking spaces into sellable parcels of land?

On a side note, I think allowing tall buildings into the market area is a dangerous line to cross. It started with 90 George and this one will be pretty close also (at Dalhousie st.). The market is one of the oldest areas in Ottawa and has some of the richest history. We need to try to preserve it and the area as much as possible. We should be trying to get more art, crafts, fashion, fresh produce and market-type goods into the area. The actual byward market building should be expanded to two floors all around, with it being an indoor farmer's/grocer market for year-round shopping (winter farmer's markets don't work so well).

Oh I almost forgot to quote the best part of the Citizen article above:
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Claridge expects there’s a market for a new luxury hotel, particularly in that part of the city, and is pairing it with the more traditional condominium development because the company is more familiar with that kind of a project and is more confident of the economics of the package than it is of the plan for a hotel alone.
That's like me saying "I usually just fix vacuums, but if I can borrow your Rolls-Royce and your vacuum, I'll be more comfortable fixing both". WTF?! This spells out that you have no business building a hotel. Maybe you should be in partnership with someone with experience? I don't understand how this passed city councillors with a unanimous decision to let it proceed. Who's on the payroll?

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Old Posted May 9, 2013, 1:28 PM
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I am not fond of the Union du Canada building; however, you make some good points about this redevelopment.

I think most citizens and councillors realize the importance to the heritiage and build styles in "the market" and do not want them disturbed...
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Old Posted May 9, 2013, 2:05 PM
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That's like me saying "I usually just fix vacuums, but if I can borrow your Rolls-Royce and your vacuum, I'll be more comfortable fixing both".


I don't know if this is a fair comparison, but it sure is a funny one!
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Old Posted May 10, 2013, 3:30 AM
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Why is it that people are fighting to save this dingy building's design when no one fought to save the Ogilvy that will be reduced from a massive, solid 5 storey landmark department store building to two 3 storey tiny walls hanging on a four storey mall.

I agree that nothing over 6 storeys should be built within the Byward Market (boundries according to me would be Sussex, George, Cumberland and St-Patrick). But one clean, modern high class 15 storey hotel, sort of a single tall "landmark" would be fine IMO. But the 22 storey condo should not have been approved. It's just a big, awkward block that takes away from both the Market's and the hotel's design.

BTW, tear down the Courtyard by Marriott, please!
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BTW, tear down the Courtyard by Marriott, please!
Should we get a permit, or just get in, get it done, and get out before anyone notices? I guess we'd have to figure out how to move all the guests out, first.
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Old Posted May 10, 2013, 3:51 AM
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Should we get a permit, or just get in, get it done, and get out before anyone notices? I guess we'd have to figure out how to move all the guests out, first.
Simple; pull the fire alarm.
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Union du Canada building now proposed to be demolished. New building will be similar to previously approved but a bit shorter http://t.co/iU1zBA2iyA
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Union du Canada building now proposed to be demolished. New building will be similar to previously approved but a bit shorter http://t.co/iU1zBA2iyA
Really? What happened there, I wonder?
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From what's indicated in the document, since the building was an office building, each floor's ceiling height is higher than that of a standard hotel. By demolishing it, they'd be able to have a shorter building while still having the same amount of floors as previously planned.
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Would it not be cheaper to just add the floors though? Keeping the new floors the same heights as the existing ones.
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Hmmm not much has changed... The overall look of the hotel seems the same. I don't see how demolishing and rebuilding a new building is cheaper than just renovating the existing building... Who cares if the ceiling are higher? The rooms will just be "taller" and "roomy-er", wouldn't that just be a selling point?

Anyways, looks the same. Hotel still looks good (hope they do that sort of reflective/mirror windows just like in the renderings). Unfortunetely, the condo tower still has that builky ugly design
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