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City's health system feels H1N1 strain
FIGHTING THE FLU

October 28, 2009
Naomi Powell
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/661703

Hamilton is considering opening specialized H1N1 assessment centres as family doctors and hospitals strain against a surge of patients with flu-like symptoms.

Local hospital emergency rooms, family doctors and ambulance dispatch centres all reported a significant increase in demand yesterday as the second wave of the H1N1 virus spreads.

"For now the system is coping," said Dr. Elizabeth Richardson, the city's medical officer of health. "But we need to be ready with an alternative if that coping falls down."

Signs of stress were evident throughout the city's health-care system yesterday:

* The number of people hospitalized with H1N1 in Hamilton went from 17 Monday to 27 yesterday, Richardson said;

* Ambulance services experienced a prolonged "code zero" situation, when one or no ambulances are available to respond to emergencies;

* Family physicians associated with Hamilton Health Sciences reported a 30 per cent increase in patient demand even after postponing non-essential appointments, such as annual physicals.

The city will finalize plans for the assessment centres over the next few days and will be ready to open the doors if the system becomes overwhelmed, Richardson said.

It would be the first time the city has taken the step. An assessment centre was established to handle patients during the SARS crisis but it never opened.

Plans are in place to provide two kinds of centres: one for patients with flu symptoms who can't get an appointment with a family doctor, and a second for patients requiring more significant care but "who don't need all the resources of an emergency room," Richardson said.

Specialized assessment centres were set up in Kingston yesterday after patient loads overwhelmed emergency rooms and family doctors, she said.

But not everyone is keen on the idea. The clinics would likely be staffed by family doctors who are already struggling to manage their own practices, said Dr. David Price, chief of family medicine at Hamilton Health Sciences.

"I know they've had to do this elsewhere but we really hope we won't get there," Price said.

At St. Joseph's Healthcare, administrators worried about a potential "double whammy" of patients and staff coming down with the flu.

"It's already a significant burden on the emergency department to do this work on top of the other work we have to do," said Dr. David Higgins, chief of staff at St. Joseph's. "The number of cases in the community are rising rapidly and our staff live in the community."

Halton is also experiencing significant stress on its emergency rooms, but has no plans for stand-alone assessment centres. If the situation becomes much worse, the region will establish secondary emergency rooms within hospitals to handle only flu patients, said Halton medical officer of health Dr. Bob Nosal.

Hospitals received their first shipment of the H1N1 vaccine yesterday to be doled out to front-line health-care workers. St. Joseph's received 1,000 doses for its staff of 4,000 workers.

The province delivered 23,000 doses of the vaccine to Hamilton on Friday. A second shipment of 26,000 doses was expected this weekend but hasn't yet arrived, said Dr. Chris Mackie, Hamilton's associate medical officer of health.

"We are expecting the next 28,000 (doses) within the next day or two," Mackie said. "But until we have it, we don't have it."

Mackie hopes to make the vaccine available to all health-care workers within a week. If enough additional doses of the flu shot arrive, local vaccination clinics could open to the public as early as Monday.

Niagara's public health department has confirmed plans to open their clinic to the general public on Monday.

In the meantime, health officials are urging residents with moderate symptoms to call TeleHealth Ontario (1-866-797-0000) before going to their doctor.

People with underlying health problems or experiencing significant dizziness or shortness of breath should go to the hospital, Mackie said.

"We are absolutely relying on the public to be thoughtful about when they are seeking care," he said. "If everybody who gets the flu goes to see their doctor it will completely overwhelm the system."


THE NUMBERS

38

The number of Hamilton public schools with outbreaks, six more than reported Monday.

27

The number of people hospitalized with H1N1 in Hamilton. It was 17 on Monday.

120

The number of family doctors affiliated with HHS, all of whom have stopped accepting routine appointments to see flu cases.

65

The percentage of Halton public schools with absence rates of more than 2 per cent, up from 5 per cent in early September.
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Even if you get the vaccine you won't be fully immunized until approximately two weeks after the vaccination.
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This vaccination rollout by local public health is starting to smell.

One clinic this week downtown, yet 5 in Dundas?

And why aren't health care professionals getting the vaccination at their place of work? Are they expected to line up with the rest of us?
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The line was super long at Jackson today.
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Over 20% of the students absent today from the school where the DW works.

Unsure if they were all sick or parents being overly cautious, but those are some alarming numbers.
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Just took my daughter to get the shot. Thousands of people were lined up, they were giving out numbers. My wife got a number around 3 pm, and we just got home now.
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Was a very sad sight at Mac this afternoon. ER completety packed, people overfilling the ER waiting area, OR waiting area packed and witnessed an entire family shaking and crying their eyes out in the middle of the hallway, don't know if it's H1N1 related.
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It is well documented that the worst place to be during a pandemic is in a large crowd. Having one vaccination centre at Jackson Square goes against all the documented research about large crowds and pandemics. All research on pandemics specifically advises to stay away from malls, concert venues, any other large gatherings. Is Health Canada not aware of this? Or is it really not a pandemic afterall?

Here is a report on H1N1 in the southern hemisphere dated August 9, 2009.. well into their 2009 flu season.
http://www.flu.gov/professional/glob...emisphere.html
Read it for yourself and come to your own conclusion. Looks like it was a mild flu season for them this year. Also interesting to read is that H1N1 has been in circulation in populations for several years now.
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2009, 11:17 AM
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Flu fear spurs wave of ER visits
Samples show H1N1 soaring

October 29, 2009
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The Hamilton Spectator
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The number of positive H1N1 tests doubled in a week to twice what public health normally sees at the height of the regular flu season.

Kids are the hardest hit and have been flooding into McMaster Children's Hospital.

Its emergency department had 65 per cent more visits than normal Tuesday night. One in four emergency visits is now a child with flu symptoms.

"Are we at a peak or are we at the tip of the iceberg?" asked Dr. Bill Krizmanich, chief of emergency.

There are 66 Hamilton schools with outbreaks of pandemic flu.

"There is no immunity in kids," said Dr. Bob Nosal, Halton's medical officer of health. "You're getting far more infections and far more hospitalizations in kids than you do in the older population and of course that's the reverse of seasonal flu.

"The good news is that the number of very young that die is still a relatively small number."

Public health is expected to open two flu assessment clinics -- one in east Hamilton and one in the west end -- by this weekend to ease the strain on emergency departments and doctors' offices.

Flu shot clinics are continuing after Hamilton and Halton got second shipments of vaccine yesterday, relieving fears they would run out. Hamilton received 28,000 doses in addition to the 23,000 in its first shipment.

Lines to get the shot were more than three hours long in Hamilton and Halton. People started lining up five hours before Halton's first flu shot clinics opened yesterday. In Oakville, police closed the clinic at Halton Regional Centre an hour early last night because of concern about overcrowding.

Nosal said parents need to protect their kids by taking them to get the shot no matter how long the waits.

Public health is currently vaccinating children aged six months to under five years as well as other high-risk groups such as pregnant women, health-care workers and people under age 65 with chronic medical conditions.

"If you are in the risk groups, you must get immunized and you must get immunized sooner than later because unfortunately we've got significant spread of this virus occurring," Nosal said.

Hamilton isn't expected to open up its flu shot clinics to the general public, including children over the age of five, until a third shipment of vaccine, expected on the weekend, arrives.

Halton and Niagara have already made plans to expand their clinics to the general public on Monday.

The vaccine is in high demand as flu illness has been rising rapidly over the past few weeks in Hamilton and Halton.

Health officials can't test everyone with symptoms so they use a sampling of lab tests from patients in hospitals, long-term care homes and doctors' offices to evaluate the spread.

About three weeks ago, 6 per cent of tests were positive for H1N1. By the next week it was 21 per cent -- the normal peak for seasonal flu and the peak for the first wave of H1N1 in the spring.

Last week, it increased dramatically to 40 per cent.

While Krizmanich wonders whether numbers will continue to rise, Nosal said, "We clearly are in the peak of the second wave.

"The good news is the peak shouldn't last more than a three- to a four-week period."

It has strained emergency rooms, with St. Joseph's Hospital getting about 30 per cent more visits than normal while Hamilton General and Henderson General have had 10 per cent more visits.

But McMaster Children's Hospital has borne the brunt of the illness. Emergency visits have been up by 20 per cent for the past three weeks. One week ago, that jumped to 45 per cent and Tuesday it spiked to 65 per cent.

Worried parents are even coming from outside the region to the bring their kids to the children's hospital after being scared by the H1N1 deaths of a 13-year-old Mississauga hockey player and a 10-year-old eastern Ontario girl.

McMaster has opened influenza clinics at night, bringing in staff from across the children's hospital to help care for the sick kids coming in.

"They're swamped," said Pat MacDonald, president of the Ontario Nurses' Association local 70 at Hamilton Health Sciences.

"It's McMaster with the kids that has been really overwhelmed," she said.
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It is well documented that the worst place to be during a pandemic is in a large crowd. Having one vaccination centre at Jackson Square goes against all the documented research about large crowds and pandemics. All research on pandemics specifically advises to stay away from malls, concert venues, any other large gatherings. Is Health Canada not aware of this? Or is it really not a pandemic afterall?
I was thinking that as we waited around in hallways packed with people, but on the other hand, I work in an office complex with 10,000 other people and my wife works in an elementary school, so it's really just a matter of time before we're exposed to the virus. You can't just stay home till it's over.

Anyway, after hearing so many concerns about vaccines and having looked into vaccinations back when my daughter was born, the scientific literature suggests there is very little to worry about with vaccininations. My family is at greater risk every time we get into the car.

The mistrust of vaccines is symptomatic of the larger social phenomenon of diminishing trust in authority. No organization or profession (including doctors, once a highly respected group) enjoys legitimacy in the public eye. Why so much of this mistrust is focused on vaccinations is a good question for a sociologist to investigate.
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It is well documented that the worst place to be during a pandemic is in a large crowd. Having one vaccination centre at Jackson Square goes against all the documented research about large crowds and pandemics. All research on pandemics specifically advises to stay away from malls, concert venues, any other large gatherings. Is Health Canada not aware of this? Or is it really not a pandemic afterall?

Here is a report on H1N1 in the southern hemisphere dated August 9, 2009.. well into their 2009 flu season.
http://www.flu.gov/professional/glob...emisphere.html
Read it for yourself and come to your own conclusion. Looks like it was a mild flu season for them this year. Also interesting to read is that H1N1 has been in circulation in populations for several years now.
Why do you keep referencing the Southern hemisphere? What makes you think that they are ahead of us in terms of pandemic stages?

H1N1 started in Mexico then migrated to the U.S. then Canada. Do you not remember the travel adviseries placed on North America late last winter? There's a reason why European countries and Japan and China weren't issuing travel adviseries to Australia, South Africa and Brazil, the first breakouts were here in North America.

How you come to the conclusion that the Southern hemisphere is the leading edge of the pandemic completely baffles me. I strongly urge you to reconsider your line of thinking.

From the link you posted:

In addition, these countries did not have a 2009 H1N1 outbreak prior to enter in their normal influenza season, as in Mexico and the U.S. How and whether 2009 H1N1 virus will behave in the Southern Hemisphere, after their normal flu season ends, remains to be seen.
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In addition, these countries did not have a 2009 H1N1 outbreak prior to enter in their normal influenza season, as in Mexico and the U.S. How and whether 2009 H1N1 virus will behave in the Southern Hemisphere, after their normal flu season ends, remains to be seen.
it doesnt remain to be seen. The outbreak has virtually disappeared here in Brazil since the end of winter.

NOTICE that the most affected areas in the southern hemisphere were the coldest ones (more to the south).

Argentina, Chile, Uruguay and Southern Brazil.

Yes, Brazil is a very good example of it... since the country has tropical and temperate areas. (90% of the flu cases happened in the southern states, which are MUCH colder in the winter)

Everyone was talking about H1N1 and were scared... but now... nobody is worried anymore... while you would hear everyday news about new infections and deaths, you dont hear anything more at all about H1N1!!!

this is the most updated map I found (from the end of september, which corresponds to the transition from winter to spring here)... look the prevalence of deaths in the SOUTH of the country, the colder area.
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it doesnt remain to be seen. The outbreak has virtually disappeared here in Brazil since the end of winter.

Everyone was talking about H1N1 and were scared... but now... nobody is worried anymore... while you would hear everyday news about new infections and deaths, you dont hear anything more at all about H1N1!!!
Dude... or Dudette.

These words that you just typed are almost word for word the exact comments that people were making here in Canada and the US in May this year.

'Ho hum... so much for H1N1... pandemic my ass... I was worried but now I think it's no big deal... nobody in my kids class even got H1N1"

Six months later. completely different story. You guys are not ahead of us on this, you're 6 months behind.
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What kind of study quality could we expect from a lab that gets paid by the drug company that owns the rights to the vaccine?

Also I am not sure why H1N1 is being reported as a "pandemic" when well under 3,000 people have died from it worldwide. South America, Australia and all other countries in the southern hemisphere have finished their flu season for 2009. There was no pandemic in any of these countries for 2009.

because it meets the definition of a pandemic
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Today's Spec had a great editorial cartoon that just about sums up the whole vaccination debate:

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Dude... or Dudette.

These words that you just typed are almost word for word the exact comments that people were making here in Canada and the US in May this year.

'Ho hum... so much for H1N1... pandemic my ass... I was worried but now I think it's no big deal... nobody in my kids class even got H1N1"

Six months later. completely different story. You guys are not ahead of us on this, you're 6 months behind.
1 - its dude. Gee, only in english can Trantor sound like a girls username... imho, its sounds completely male. And if you knew that Trantor is an ecumenopolis world (world completely covered by city) from Isaac Asimov books, you would find it easier to guess I am a dude.

2 - I never said H1N1 disappeared or that it is not a pandemic. I said it disappeared from the news around here since we arrived at spring, end of flu season. I am well aware that now its NORTHERN HEMISPHERE flu season, and may/june next year it will start all over again here.

3 - it was simply an answer to however might think that there is something wrong with southern hemisphere health systems. My post tried to prove that its just a question of how cold it gets, since the poorer brazilian states, with worse healthcare were the ones less affected by the flu (they are also the warmest ones, they basically dont have a winter).

The time that H1N1 started spreading outside Mexico was the beginning of winter in the southern hemisphere, beginning of summer in the northern hemisphere.
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HAHA, tin foil hats! leave it up to the Spectator to sum up a scientific/medical issue with a 1950's analogy. Says a lot about their reader base I guess. Anyone able to find an H1N1 vaccine study that comparees scientific control and test groups for effectiveness? There are a lot of people who are skeptical about taking the shotand this skepticism can hardly be chalked up to a "conspiracy theory" of any kind. The fact is the past 2 years, the flu shot in Canada has completely missed the mark. Of course H1N1 hasn't been known to mutate, but the level of research Health Canada put into the vaccine is a joke. There is no scientific data anywhere about clinical trials available to the public. Why should we think the shots are any more effective than the last 2 years of the flu shot?

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Asked and Answered.

Preliminary results from H1N1 Vaccine.

Since the H1N1 vaccine is identical to the regular seasonal influenza vaccine with the exeption of a different dead virus here are some links to clinical studies conducted on these vaccines.

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/r...=3&sect=X36015

More.

More.

I shouldn't have to do your research for you. Here's the site, this is just the US. I didn't even bother searching for any other country's vaccine trials.

Feel free to ignore these links, I realise that it's all very dry stuff it's not easy to read at all. But the results are all there, all the reactions that trial groups had, split into immunogenicity results, adverse events and serious adverse events. Nobody is hiding anything. Please please please inform yourself.
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1 - its dude. Gee, only in english can Trantor sound like a girls username... imho, its sounds completely male. And if you knew that Trantor is an ecumenopolis world (world completely covered by city) from Isaac Asimov books, you would find it easier to guess I am a dude.
Thank you for clarifying. You never can be sure, women can be fans of science fiction too.

And actualy I have read the Foundation series of books (Asimov is a true legend of Sci-Fi)and I did recogize Trantor... it never occured to me that anybody else might have read such an obscure set of books.
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come on... Asimov and Foundation are not obscure!
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