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Transit plan includes GO trains

Transit plan includes GO trains

Tue, September 15, 2009

'It is a different way of thinking'

A four-line streetcar route shaped like a cross, with downtown London in the centre and the arms reaching north, south, east and west.

Two rectangles of bus routes intersecting those streetcar lines. GO trains heading east and west, and light rapid transit rail heading to smaller centres.


And all along the routes, people-friendly streets with commercial, retail and residential development built at key connections.

An ambitious plan unveiled yesterday at city hall turns the idea of London's transit system on its head.

Instead of buses and streetcars being an afterthought to development, the transit system would actually determine where and how the city grows.




"It is a different way of thinking," city planning and development manager John Fleming said yesterday after a short presentation to politicians. "We use transit as a way for sparking growth and attracting investment."

The plan, called an urban structure plan, is a long way from being implemented.

The city's planning committee merely commented on the plan and referred it to several other city agencies, such as the London Transit Commission, for comment.

"I like what we're trying to do, but most of us won't be around when it happens," Cont, Bud Polhill said.

"We are just beginning the discussion," agreed city planner John Fleming.

But it's a discussion Londoners should have, he added.

Cities across the U.S. are using the same principals to guide development in their major activity centres and residential neighbourhoods, and link the two, said London's urban designer, Sean Galloway.

In Toronto, all you have to do is look down from the CN Tower to see where the thriving, mixed-density neighbourhoods rise -- at the subway stations that lead to the core, he added.

Mixed residential-retail and commercial neighbourhoods would thrive in London where the streetcar, bus and rail lines intersect, Galloway said.

In London, the major centres of activity include the downtown, the University of Western Ontario, Fanshawe College, the hospital campuses, the airport, Innovation Park and, at the centre, the downtown.

The transit system would move people within London, and to London.

"Downtown should be the centre of Southwestern Ontario and we need transportation that allows that to happen," Galloway said.
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I wonder what routes they're looking at for this. I still think the 1973 plan should be used in part, including use of the CP Rail corridor.
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CITY PLANNING: Some believe how Londoners get around will determine how the city grows

By JONATHAN SHER

Last Updated: 9th November 2009, 9:39am


With hundreds of millions of dollars in development at stake, politicians and bureaucrats have begun to debate how Londoners should move around in future and how the city should grow.

Already, some advocates of cars, buses and light rail seem on a collision course.

Deputy Mayor Tom Gosnell dismisses the idea the city should consider building a light-rail passenger service to stimulate development along rail corridors. Light rail, he said, is for cities with populations near one million, not smaller cities like London growing at a snail's pace.

"Light rapid transit -- our grandchildren can worry about that," he said.

His comments come as the city embarks on a year-long effort to plan transportation needs for the next 20 years. Citizens will be invited to weigh at 6 p.m. tomorrow at Western Fair's Carousel Room.

Such city planning is done every five years. But this time there's a twist -- a growing belief the choices made about how to move people affect how the city grows.

That change in focus is being pushed by city planners who see transportation as a tool to create vibrant communities where homes, retail and services are all an attractive walk away.

Planner John Fleming and urban designer Sean Galloway point to Charlotte, N.C., where 6,000 residential units have been built or are proposed near stops of its two-year-old light rail system.

"(Transportation planning) is not just about meeting existing needs. We need to look to the future," Fleming said.

But it's clear not all have the same vision.

Gosnell questioned whether city hall should be directing development.

"How much involvement will there be for the private sector on where they want to invest?" Gosnell asked.

Coun. Paul Van Meerbergen said city hall needs to focus more on maintaining and expanding roads already too burdened by traffic.

"The belief that most families will use transit is not realistic," he said.

Also concerned is a commissioner at London Transit, Coun. Harold Usher.

London Transit wants dedicated traffic lanes for express buses -- rapid bus transit -- and the preferred routes and nodes in which they intersect are different than shown on a map of light rail drawn up by city planners.

"(Bus rapid transit) -- that's what the public is thinking," Usher told city planners last week.

Those differing views make a challenge out of creating a transportation plan, said the official with that role, city road chief Dave Leckie.

"There is paradigm shift to make streets more into people places rather than just a conduit for vehicles," he told the city's community and protective services committee.

"I'm not sure where to take it through the transportation master plan . . . I'm struggling with how much weight (this) has from council."

Where some see conflict, Fleming sees a chance to discuss how choices about transportation will shape London's growth and its neighbourhoods. Though the map created by planners isn't a blueprint, it's a starting point.

"Light rail transit would be a major benefit to the city. It makes sense to phase it in," he said, adding there could be a transition from express buses to light rail.

Unlike motor vehicles, a train channels people to specific and limited places. And where it stops, there's the potential to build an exciting mix of homes, business and public space where people want to live, work and play.

"It can attract significant (private) investment," Fleming said.

Though buses stop, too, their routes can change overnight -- and that lack of permanence doesn't create incentives for investors.

Where buses stop will be different, too, Galloway said.

A bus might stop at a mall to serve the flow of shoppers, but Galloway sees that as a poor choice for a train. He wants stops in places where pedestrians -- not cars -- are king.

"London is at a critical moment, moving to the next phase of becoming a bigger city," he said.

That step -- building a light rail passenger service -- has been already taken by regional rival Kitchener-Waterloo and may be taken as soon as January by Hamilton.

Kitchener-Waterloo, which began planning in 2002, plans to spend $790 million, and hopes upper government funding could enable service to start in 2014.

Hamilton is expected to decide soon whether to create a line for express buses or a light rail.

If London is to compete with its own vibrant neighbourhoods, light rail should be part of that evolution, Fleming said.

He has a supporter in Coun. David Winninger.

"I don't think we can wait until we have 800,000 people to be well-positioned for the future," he said. "If we don't start planning now, the train will have left the station."

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HIGH SPEED RAIL LINES: Hoped-for route between Windsor and Quebec City.

LIGHT RAIL: Colour-coded, red the highest priority; others are brown, blue and orange. Could begin as express bus routes. Rail option could be streetcars or light trains.

GRAND AVENUES: Streets without light rail, pedestrianfriendly with treed medians, large boulevards with double tree rows, wider sidewalks and street parking.

EXPRESS BUS ROUTES: Routes that loop though the city.

GO TRANSIT RAIL LINES: Commuter trains connecting outlying municipalities.
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There should be no further outward geographical growth of this city. There are just going to be further transportation problems if we keep letting the city expand outward, and if we keep catering to developers who insist on building residential developments with huge lots and commercial developments which do not facilitate pedestrian access. Just because soccer mom families like these developments doesn't mean we should allow them. Infill needs to be used extensively as well.

One example is the intersection of Wonderland and Riverside. That southwest corner should have commercial development on it. There was a group led by Monica Jarabek who opposed the development, but it would've provided a pedestrian-accessible shopping area for an area that has no other commercial development, especially as one goes westward on Riverside. Residents in that south part of Oakridge are forced to drive in order to get basic services. That land is otherwise wasted. True, we need green spaces in London, but there are plenty of green spaces nearby closer to the river.

It's bizarre how the so-called environmentalists in London don't want pedestrian-friendly commercial development in residential areas. I'll never forget Gina Barber's pleas to not allow Tim Hortons in Byron almost a decade ago, even though its addition has made the chain pedestrian-accessible in the north part of Byron. People in Byron used to drive to other parts of the city and back just to get a Tim Hortons coffee, but now they can either walk there or drive a short distance.

The city has got to start permitting more small commercial development in otherwise residential areas. Part of the transportation mess exists because people like myself who live in a huge low-density residential area have to drive just to get groceries or other basic services. There need to be more areas like Wortley Village all over the city. If people could work and shop close to where they live, no matter where they live in urban London, they wouldn't need transportation.

Once traffic patterns are changed, then we might have a need for mass transit other than anything that would serve Western and Fanshawe.

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Is anyone going to the public meeting at Western Fair tonight (November 10th)? If so, we should meet up.
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The city should explore streetcars. This past summer, I was in Oslo (city pop 600K, metro 1.5 million), and I was amazed with the variety and quantity of mass transit options. Streetcars can utilize existing streets, while moving greater quantities of people faster and perhaps farther in greater comfort, than rapid bus, but at a lower cost than light rail.
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Yellow cars challenging mainstays

Yellow cars challenging mainstays
TRANSPORTATION: London Taxi will soon be the largest cab company in the city, its co-founder says



Customers who call London Taxi will find drivers committed to service because they own a share of the company, co-founder Hasan Savehilaghi said.

"This is their company."

Customers won't notice a difference in fares because city hall sets them.

London Taxi will have more than 40 yellow cabs in service by week's end and soon more than 100 vehicles of the 300-plus plates whose number is capped by the city.

"We are going to be, in very short order, the largest cab company in London," Savehilaghi said.

For seven years, he had headed a coalition of drivers called the London Taxi Association that claims to represent 400 drivers. There are more drivers than cabs because a typical cab is operated round-the-clock by multiple drivers.

The association was formed to improve the industry and the lives of drivers, but those goals were impeded by companies focused solely on profits while placing most costs and risks on drivers, Savehilaghi said.

Owners of plates and those who drive pay for vehicles, maintenance, insurance and gasoline and face the risk of assault, he said.

The two companies, Aboutown Ltd. and U-Need-A-Cab, only cover the cost of dispatching calls, Savehilaghi said.

"That's the major reason why we formed the co-op."

The co-op is owned by 19 cab drivers and 31 owners of taxi plates, a number that might expand as more drivers and owners join the company, Savehilaghi said.

His claims were challenged by the family that's owned Aboutown Ltd. since the 1970s.

"I entirely reject that our drivers are not treated with respect," Aboutown vice-president Jamie Donnelly said.

Aboutown has the city's largest and longest-standing fleet -- about 170 cabs -- and has been at the forefront of improved service for customers and safety for drivers, he said.

Officials with U-Need-A-Cab couldn't be reached.

Savehilaghi says London Taxi will end a practice followed by Aboutown that had the company charge reduced flat rates to clients such as Canada Post, the city's hospitals and to customers who use the company's airport shuttle service.

That practice squeezes precious dollars out of the pockets of drivers, he said.

The new company will also charge drivers less each week for its dispatch services -- $100 weekly compared to $130 to $140.

Donnelly defended the lower flat rates as a common industry practice and private deals that aren't governed by the city bylaw.
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I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion on the topic, but...what is everyone going to do if LTC goes on strike next week?

My coworkers are trying to set up carpools since many of us rely on LTC to get to work. Where I live, LTC is a must if you don't drive.

I guess Anne-Marie doesn't really want to get re-elected next year. Her stance on this issue has been disgraceful. On the bright side, a friend of mine at Western wrote Susan Eagle about the whole situation and she at least seemed willing to lobby others on Council to take action.
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Upstart cab company gains toehold in London market

An upstart London cab company, challenging years of dominance by a pair of taxi outfits, will celebrate its early success Tuesday night.

Yellow London Taxi, established in October as a co-operative owned by the drivers it employs, will hold an event they say will be attended by several notable city politicians.

Having started with 12 drivers, the company now has 50 shareholders — drivers and plate owners — and 41 cabs on city streets.

In total, there are more than 300 cabs in London.

NDP MP Irene Mathyssen is expected to attend the event, as is London Mayor Anne Marie DeCicco-Best, the company says.

Though the company isn’t yet profitable, co-founder Hasan Savehilaghi says the company is close to that goal.

Coun. Stephen Orser, a one-time cabbie who in the past has pushed for change to London’s taxi system, applauded the emerging business for gaining a toehold during a recession.
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LTC Recommends Returning Service to Lambeth

5/26/2010

A campaign to add weekday bus service to Lambeth is heating up.

The London Transit Commission is set to vote today on a recommendation to add a Lambeth route this September. It's one way the LTC is hoping to win back customers and increase their ridership.

Councillor Susan Eagle has long fought for bus service in Lambeth, and says she's thrilled to hear that LTC staff are recommending the new route. Bus routes to the small community were discontinued about 10 years ago.

The new service will not include evenings, weekends, or holidays.

Officials with the Lambeth Community Association expect most residents to jump on board, although some local businesses worry about people having easier access to shop in London.

LTC general manager Larry Ducharme points to growth in the city's southwest end and expects the new service to generate enough cash to cover 35% of the total cost which will come in at over $212,000 dollars.

During today's meeting, staff will also discuss reports showing ridership is still down 2.3% adding up to around $500,000 dollars in lost revenue.
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London Transit is planning a pilot project for next summer that will see buses moved off Dundas Street in the downtown area, and moved to King (eastbound) and Queens (westbound).

I was originally against the idea when Shmuel Farhi brought it up last year, but I think it's a good idea now. There are way too many weirdoes crowded in that area waiting for buses - as frequent readers of my posts will know I am sick and tired of all the yelling, profanities and fighting that goes on (in front of children) in front of the Mascot Restaurant as well as McDonald's. Dundas should be a great place for pedestrians to shop, but as it stands right now it's not an area I (and I'm sure many other Londoners) enjoy walking through.
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There really needs to be a central bus terminal downtown. Having 3 or 4 buses idling on Richmond is ridiculous. I suppose moving the Dundas buses to King and Queens will help take a bit of pressure off of the Dundas and Richmond intersection, but the Richmond buses will still force people to wait and loiter on the sidewalk.

I lived in Kitchener and Cambridge for 3 years while I went to school at Conestoga and I loved Grand River Transit. They had large downtown terminals serving 15-20+ connecting bus routes. These terminals were not only extremely convenient, but very tidy in the sense that there were never buses constantly idling on street corners. London's mess of buses at D&R seems laughable in comparison.
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London Transit is planning a pilot project for next summer that will see buses moved off Dundas Street in the downtown area, and moved to King (eastbound) and Queens (westbound).

I was originally against the idea when Shmuel Farhi brought it up last year, but I think it's a good idea now. There are way too many weirdoes crowded in that area waiting for buses - as frequent readers of my posts will know I am sick and tired of all the yelling, profanities and fighting that goes on (in front of children) in front of the Mascot Restaurant as well as McDonald's. Dundas should be a great place for pedestrians to shop, but as it stands right now it's not an area I (and I'm sure many other Londoners) enjoy walking through.
YEAH, and the stench of urine from the weirdos...
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There really needs to be a central bus terminal downtown. Having 3 or 4 buses idling on Richmond is ridiculous. I suppose moving the Dundas buses to King and Queens will help take a bit of pressure off of the Dundas and Richmond intersection, but the Richmond buses will still force people to wait and loiter on the sidewalk.

I lived in Kitchener and Cambridge for 3 years while I went to school at Conestoga and I loved Grand River Transit. They had large downtown terminals serving 15-20+ connecting bus routes. These terminals were not only extremely convenient, but very tidy in the sense that there were never buses constantly idling on street corners. London's mess of buses at D&R seems laughable in comparison.
Even Brantford has such a bus terminal, which also doubles as that city's Greyhound bus terminal.

With regards to Richmond, I would have no problem with seeing only southbound buses on that street, and having all northbound buses move to Wellington, as far north as Central or Pall Mall.
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Good place for the central LTC bus terminal: Where the Wick used to be.

Also the vacant parking lot on the NW corner of Queens and Talbot is a good spot too.
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Good place for the central LTC bus terminal: Where the Wick used to be.

Also the vacant parking lot on the NW corner of Queens and Talbot is a good spot too.
There are a few surface parking lots that would be perfect for a downtown terminal, but I don't think the Wick lot would be large enough. I'm assuming the London terminal would be roughly the same size as Kitchener's Charles Street Terminal so I did a couple Google Map comparisons. There might be better areas, but I'm looking for locations that would require very little expropriation.




This is Kitchener's Charles Street Terminal. Like Manny said about Brantford's terminal, the Charles terminal also doubles as the City's Greyhound terminal. As you can see, it's quite large, serving as a central hub for many of K-W's buses.




Here is the Wick for comparison. Unless our downtown LTC terminal only served a handful of buses at a time it would likely be far too small.




At the top of this image is the parking lot on Clarence across from the Galleria. This lot is also a little on the small side, but it is VERY central. It is basically in the centre of downtown making everything fairly accessible. This would be my first pick as it would add much needed pedestrian traffic to this part of the core. The lots directly across King at the bottom of this image would also be a very good location for a terminal.




Another delicious spot for a terminal would be the large lot across from Laser Quest and Cousin Vinny's. However, with the new Shopper's Drug Mart development I'm not sure how much of this lot will be left available for the terminal. Again, the lot is very central and extremely close to Richmond St.




This lot on York Street is directly across from the Convention Centre. This lot isn't as central as the above locations, but it is quite large and very accessible for buses.




This last lot is on Fullerton near the courthouse. Again, not as central as the earlier locations, but it is fairly large and would require no expropriation.



I really don't see us getting a downtown terminal any time soon because London just loves its desolate-looking surface parking, but it's still fun to play city planner from time to time
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An office building is going up on the Richmond/Carling lot. This would have been my first choice since it is on Richmond and close to Dundas, but sadly someone got to it first.

Based on your analysis of the land available and comparison to other terminals, I think the Queen/Talbot lot would be the best spot. Lots of space there. The Clarance/King lot is ok too, but remember it is used for the Blues Fest and other events.
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I think that clarence/king would be ideal...except for the fact that my very favorite Indian restaurant (Massey's) is right there!
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As far as I'm concerned the LTC's first priority should be to get service past midnight on all days of the week. All buses should leave downtown at about 12:30 so the people working at the hospitals and late shifts can actually make it downtown for their transfer.
After that there should be maybe the 6 busiest routes running til 2:30am.
It would make a huge difference for the bar crowd and late night workers.
They should get UWO and Fanshawe to help fund it as the students are already getting huge discounts on their transit passes.
Just image at UWO along. Just $1 extra for each course taken when there are nearly 30,000 students taking 5 courses each. That tiny little $1 works out to $150,000 a year.
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As far as I'm concerned the LTC's first priority should be to get service past midnight on all days of the week. All buses should leave downtown at about 12:30 so the people working at the hospitals and late shifts can actually make it downtown for their transfer.
After that there should be maybe the 6 busiest routes running til 2:30am.
It would make a huge difference for the bar crowd and late night workers.
They should get UWO and Fanshawe to help fund it as the students are already getting huge discounts on their transit passes.
Just image at UWO along. Just $1 extra for each course taken when there are nearly 30,000 students taking 5 courses each. That tiny little $1 works out to $150,000 a year.
It's a good idea to make major lines go to 2:30am. But what's the first bus of the day, 5am or 5:30? You might as well just make it 24 hours.
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