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Old Posted Jan 30, 2010, 4:28 PM
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for the boardwalk on Jacques-Cartier, not on any of the stuff in the downtown waterfront
Is there a web site where i can find more info on the boardwalk.
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Is there a time frame set for the downtown upgrades.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2010, 7:00 PM
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I doubt it, the Domtar land has not even been acquired by the government yet.

If you want to speculate and pretend that this might be done by the sequicentennial in 2017, maybe a theoretical time line comparing it to the last mega-museum building phase: Both the Museum of Civilization and the National Gallery were announced in 1983/84, and opened in 1988, a five year timeline. Maybe we'll hear something by 2012?

As for the Kruger site beside the CMC, the NCC bought that in 2003 and leased it back for 25 years, so we'll be lucky to see anything happen there before 2028, but who knows?
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Feds won't build new Science and Technology Museum
$500M project seeks to create 'Smithsonian of the north'
http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/07/18/...hnology-museum
BY JON WILLING ,OTTAWA SUN
FIRST POSTED: WEDNESDAY, JULY 18, 2012 07:27 PM EDT | UPDATED: WEDNESDAY, JULY 18, 2012 08:18 PM EDT

With the Domtar complex on the Ottawa River being the preferred choice for a half-billion-dollar relocation of the Canada Science and Technology Museum, managers are knee-deep in planning and hoping taxpayers foot most of the bill.

Turns out, it might all be castles in the air.

A spokesman for Heritage Minister James Moore says the feds won’t fund it.

“We will not be building a new science and technology museum,” Sebastien Gariepy wrote in an e-mail to the Sun.

That could leave the museum running a colossal fundraising campaign or reaching out to the private sector for a partnership. Internal museum documents suggest capital costs could be as high as $700 million.

The museum has banked on raising $150 million from philanthropic donors, the documents say.

But as museum public affairs VP Yves St-Onge pointed out in an interview this week, the private sector often wants to see a public funding commitment before signing on.

“It’s chicken and egg,” St-Onge said.

A stack of 2011-2012 museum meeting minutes and reports obtained by the Sun shows a lot of thought going into moving the museum downtown Ottawa or Gatineau.

In June 2010, the museum went public that it was looking at four sites, including Domtar. The other three sites are LeBreton Flats, Rockcliffe Park and Jacques-Cartier Park.

The Domtar complex, north of the Canadian War Museum, is the top-ranked site.

“It is an incredible location because it is at the hub of many things in town,” St-Onge said. “It spans over two cities, spans over two provinces.”

The museum — famous for its crazy kitchen display and more recently for its sex exhibit — is in southeast Ottawa and there’s a burning desire to find a bigger space somewhere in the core to create, as one document says, a “Smithsonian of the north.”

Only 2% of the museum’s collection can be on display at once because of space constraints. The museum has operated since 1967 in what was once a bakery warehouse.

A business case commissioned by the museum — at a cost of $174,000 — suggests visitor attendance is being hampered by lack of space and outdated exhibits.

Several heavy-hitters have been consulted during the museum’s planning, including leaders of other Canadian museums, industry bigwigs and university presidents. Ten students from University of Ottawa’s Telfer School of Management were also invited to the table.

And there has been political jockeying, too.

Minutes from a meeting last May say two NDP MPs requested to meet with museum CEO Denise Amyot about building the new museum in Gatineau.

Mayoral offices in Ottawa and Gatineau have been kept in the loop, too.

Meanwhile, there remains a faint hope the museum can somehow snatch the Domtar property.

Domtar spokesman Stuart Lister noted the company sold its hydro assets recently to Hydro Ottawa, but the rest of the property is still for sale.

“We are actively looking for a buyer,” Lister said, but he declined to say if the museum is factoring into any discussions.

“We don’t comment on past, future or current negotiations.”

The museum’s internal documents were obtained for the Sun by access specialist Ken Rubin.

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Old Posted Jul 19, 2012, 2:30 AM
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The Domtar site is an excellent one, I totally agree, both sides of Booth Street can be used as well!

As for funding it, there should be a 33-33-33 partnership, between the federal government, private sector companies and private donors. Maybe with two-thirds funded elsewhere, the federal government can return to the table.
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They didn't have a problem funding the Human Rights Museum in Winnipeg. They could at least give us the new Science and Tech as a 150th legacy project. It would very appropriate since the St-Laurent location was a "temporary" 100th legacy project.
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It will happen. This is just some skycraperpage ottawa like-minded journalist digging up old documents and shit to try to stir the pot, and I love it... I bet $20 of hard earned cash ground will break in five years on the new Science & Tech at the Domtar site.
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They didn't have a problem funding the Human Rights Museum in Winnipeg.
How much did that one cost?
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How much did that one cost?
The cost was $310 million.
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Went up to 351 million.

http://www.globalwinnipeg.com/human+...674/story.html

Not that it's a huge difference than 310 million.

The last museum built in OT was the War museum at a pretty budget friendly at 137 million and before that, they built the National Art Gallery at 122 million in 1988 and the Civilization for 340 million in 1989. According to the Bank of Canada inflation calculator, that would amount to 777,312,676$ in 2012 (from 1988).

http://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/rel...on-calculator/

We are long overdue for a new national museum in the Canadian Capital for the 2017 celebrations.
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Went up to 351 million.

http://www.globalwinnipeg.com/human+...674/story.html

Not that it's a huge difference than 310 million.

The last museum built in OT was the War museum at a pretty budget friendly at 137 million and before that, they built the National Art Gallery at 122 million in 1988 and the Civilization for 340 million in 1989. According to the Bank of Canada inflation calculator, that would amount to 777,312,676$ in 2012 (from 1988).

http://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/rel...on-calculator/

We are long overdue for a new national museum in the Canadian Capital for the 2017 celebrations.
No matter how you break it down its a fair amount of money.

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I thought those 2 islands were reserved for First Nations cultural facilities and the paper mill on the north side of the river would get the Science and Tech Museum.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2012, 3:22 PM
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I thought those 2 islands were reserved for First Nations cultural facilities and the paper mill on the north side of the river would get the Science and Tech Museum.
The old stone mill mid-way down the Portage Bridge (east side) that was recently renovated was supposed to be an Aboriginal centre of sorts. The rest of the Islands are up for grabs.

And yes jaydog0212, it is a lot of money, so was the investment in designing the Portrait Gallery, cancelling it, doing a competition and cancelling that too since the bidder that was guaranteed a win (Calgary) couldn’t get their act together. Oh, and then we have the 800 million military truck RFP that was cancelled (lawsuits anyone?) and those jets, how much for those jets? Oh yeah! They don't know! (Or they’re lying to us)

I could keep listing a lot of a tax dollars wasted by the Harper Government, but I won’t waste my time.
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It will happen. This is just some skycraperpage ottawa like-minded journalist digging up old documents and shit to try to stir the pot, and I love it... I bet $20 of hard earned cash ground will break in five years on the new Science & Tech at the Domtar site.
You're so right about the provenance of this story, and I love it too! That said, I only hope you're right about the rest (breaking ground in five years).

I place 0 value in the political staffer's statement that the Federal Government will not fund this museum - until there is an announcement that they will fund it, this is the only logical talking point for the Heritage Minister's aide.

I do believe that money is particularly tight right now for this sort of cultural investment, whether due to economic conditions, perceptions of economic conditions, or this government's particular set of priorities. That said, this project could go forward with significantly less apparent investment if stakeholders could come together with creative solutions:

-The museum corporation owns significant real estate at its current location, and if the city upzones that land, could make a significant windfall off of it.

-Domtar may wish to sell all their land to a single buyer in order to dispose of it efficiently. The museum corporation could buy it all, then parcel it and sell off unneeded portions at a profit for those parcels to offset costs.

-The municipal governments (City of Ottawa & City of Gatineau) could agree to forego their taxes (actually payments-in-lieu of taxes from the Federal government) for some number of years (a decade?) on the condition that that money is still paid by the Feds, just allocated to the construction budget, a portion of which could be amortized over this period.

-Some money could come directly from at '2017 commemoration fund', which would offset the amount of direct investment in the museum.

-Some infrastructure investments which the Museum may currently feel they need to make (roadway improvements, pedestrian bridges, etc) could instead be undertaken and paid for by the NCC, which would likely be willing to take this on in order to have a greater say in the planning of the area, and which sees itself as having a vested interest in this land which is considered part of the 'national interest land' inventory, and is located on or near Confederation Boulevard.

Using these or other creative funding means, along with the private fundraising campaign, could make the building a reality.
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This government has no interest in legacy projects for Ottawa. It is reflection of current economics and party ideology.
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The old stone mill mid-way down the Portage Bridge (east side) that was recently renovated was supposed to be an Aboriginal centre of sorts. The rest of the Islands are up for grabs.

And yes jaydog0212, it is a lot of money, so was the investment in designing the Portrait Gallery, cancelling it, doing a competition and cancelling that too since the bidder that was guaranteed a win (Calgary) couldn’t get their act together. Oh, and then we have the 800 million military truck RFP that was cancelled (lawsuits anyone?) and those jets, how much for those jets? Oh yeah! They don't know! (Or they’re lying to us)

I could keep listing a lot of a tax dollars wasted by the Harper Government, but I won’t waste my time.
In the case of the Human Rights museum, the Liberals started it and it was continued by the Conservatives, so both parties are guilty.
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In the case of the Human Rights museum, the Liberals started it and it was continued by the Conservatives, so both parties are guilty.
I thought it was 2008.

But to be fair, the Liberals we're ready to build the Portrait Gallery in the old US Embassy and the Conservatives killed it, moved it to Calgary, developer backed out, competition followed, Calgary wouldn't get their act together, competition cancelled.

I think all National Museums should be in the Federal Capital like all Provincial Museums should be in the Provincial Capital.

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This government has no interest in legacy projects for Ottawa. It is reflection of current economics and party ideology.
Then they should not be funding things such as the Pan Am games.

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I thought it was 2008.

But to be fair, the Liberals we're ready to build the Portrait Gallery in the old US Embassy and the Conservatives killed it, moved it to Calgary, developer backed out, completion followed, Calgary wouldn't get their act together, competition cancelled.

I think all National Museums should be in the Federal Capital like all Provincial Museums should be in the Provincial Capital.
I generally agree, although regional museums could be set up. For example, a Western Agricultural Museum could be set up in Regina, or a Maritime Museum in Halifax or Victoria.
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