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Old Posted Oct 2, 2007, 4:23 PM
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further example that this is a city that lacks vision, ideas. our continued obsession with the airport, its surrounding lands and sprawl in general has to cease. the airport will never be a success beyond what it is now. we've missed the boat on that one, along with numerous other initiatives. we missed out on maple leaf? good! they're a notoriously poor employer and a bloody slaughterhouse to boot. we can do better than that. city leaders seem to think the best we can do is warehousing jobs that pay little more than minimum wage. bollocks! let's focus on our core, clean up the brownfields and make this a more liveable, attractive city. as we'll find out tomorrow, students flee the city after they've finished. we need to be able to attract good employers to this town and slaughterhouses and warehouses are not the answer. i was lucky to find a job here, most aren't. speaking of which i gotta go.

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students are leaving in droves, and guess what?
they aren't moving to Brantford either.

students aren't spending thousands of dollars on an education to mop up a bunch of blood in a pig plant.
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Building prosperity isn't easy
Part Four of Seven

Steve Arnold
The Hamilton Spectator
(Oct 3, 2007)

Unless a city sits on a lake of oil or a mountain of gold, prosperity has to be built one job at a time, one new employer at a time.

Creating a healthy economy demands leaders with a clear focus on attracting wealth and the ability to adapt their plans on the fly as the world changes.

For years now, Hamilton has been struggling with that simple equation. Successive leaders have talked about the steady loss of the manufacturing jobs -- 11,600 last year alone according to the Conference Board of Canada -- but they've also failed to put their full weight behind a solid plan to deal with that change.

"At the micro-level we have some very good plans for attracting employment," says Tyler MacLeod, president of the Hamilton Chamber of Commerce. "There are positive aspects to those plans, but they need to be better tied together."

The current plan to build a bright and prosperous future for Hamilton is the Economic Development Strategy approved by city council in 2005. The document is a 20-year vision of the future of Hamilton based on the theory of clusters of development -- specific industry sectors are targeted for growth.

While the strategy itself is given good marks by groups like the chamber of commerce, labour council and Hamilton Civic Coalition, it is hobbled by a city council that can't seem to decide where it's going.

"We have all the right pieces, but what we don't have is a clear focus on bringing new commercial development here," said Richard Koroscil, president of John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport. "The city has done a pretty good job with its planning, the key now is execution. We just haven't seen much of a focus on economic growth since the last election."

That lack of political will is aggravated by the confusion resulting from a welter of sometimes contradictory policies.

The Economic Development Strategy targets eight industry clusters: advanced manufacturing, agriculture/food and beverage processing, the port, airport, biotechnology and biomedical, film and cultural industries, tourism and downtown revival. A new version on the drawing board will put the airport and port into a new "goods movement cluster." It's expected to be ready for circulation to outside agencies by November and should go to city council next year.

There are other plans: the city's environmental plan is called Vision 2020 and its growth plan is called GRIDS for Growth-Related Integrated Development Strategy. That's in addition to the provincial Places To Grow strategy.

Created in 1993, Vision 2020 is an attempt to balance economic, social and environmental concerns.

"Vision 2020 isn't a policy that looks at targets beyond broad questions like the quality of life," explained Neil Everson, director of Hamilton's economic development department.

"It looks at issues more from the 30,000-foot level."

While no one argues with the basic premise of balancing economy, environment and social needs, critics say Vision 2020 was created in a different world -- before soaring oil prices, the rise of the Canadian dollar and the emergence of cheap labour competition from countries such as China and India -- and desperately needs to be updated.

More troubling are a provincial initiative entitled Places to Grow and the city's (GRIDS) policy created in response.

Places to Grow, which became law in June 2005, predicts four million more people will crowd into the Golden Horseshoe region over the next 30 years. It plans to accommodate about half of that growth by intensifying the use of land in the city -- at its most basic that means replacing single homes with townhouses and highrises -- rather than extending urban boundaries into agricultural land.

GRIDS, approved by the city only last year, seeks to get Hamilton's infrastructure master plans, official plan, capital budget and social and economic development strategies working in harmony toward the Places to Grow goals.

The problem with those plans is that Hamilton doesn't have a supply of commercial-industrial land within the old city boundaries -- and new industries such as biomedical research firms or food processing companies won't locate in a former scrap yard or steel mill.

"GRIDS is all about where we develop, not how. It's not about how we change the local economy," Everson said. "The companies we're going after now want to find a nice pristine greenfield where the only concern they have is finding an arrowhead."

Studies have concluded Hamilton will need all of its existing business parks plus 1,000 new hectares to handle job growth over the next 25 years, and to meet that need the city wants to extend its urban boundary -- especially about 850 hectares of farmland around Hamilton airport.

The current economic development strategy calls this "the No. 1 strategic priority for economic development in Hamilton." Supporters say it could result in the creation of up to 50,000 new jobs. Critics argue against the estimated $100-million cost of providing water, sewer and other services while also opposing what they call the city's "single-minded" devotion to this one solution to its land problem.

A $1.2-million study to resolve that discussion is expected to be completed late in 2009.

While some observers, such as Hamilton and District Labour Council president Don Fraser call for the creation of a new "broad-based jobs creation strategy," business leaders say the handful of current plans provide all the direction the city needs. All that's lacking is the simple will to get on with the job and commit enough resources to getting it done.

"We need to get some action," said the chamber of commerce's MacLeod. "Unless we start creating some jobs and employment we're going to be in real trouble. All of the plans we have are crucial, but they all have to lead somewhere and I'm not sure we have that kind of co-ordinated effort right now."

"People recognize the opportunities here, the city just has to make it happen," said Keith Robson, CEO of the Hamilton Port Authority. "There's nothing wrong with the strategy we have, the problem is that the department doesn't have the resources to do enough. It's a matter of giving them the tools to get it done."

If city council won't free up the needed resources, Robson and MacLeod argue for public-private partnerships to do the job.

"If you haven't got the money yourself, use someone else's," Robson said. MacLeod wants action.

"We can't wait 15 years for something to happen," he said.
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I have never understood this obsession with these idiotic reports. The economy and market trends are incredibly volatile. There is no way that some economic report made in 2002 is going to have any use today. You will grow the type of economy that you subsidize. For example, if a city invests $200 million to construct expressways, serviced industrial land, and zones it for a business park that is what it is what it is going to get over time depending on market demand. In contrast, if a city invests $200 million in creating a public space and makes available interest free loans for condos and office space around it that is what it is going to get over time depending on market demand. There is not that much mystery to it. The city will get in time what it invests its money in. These types of initiatives should be encompassed in an issue by issue basis not in an abstract report with no real focus. As someone residing in Toronto GRIDS and Vision 2020 have no meaning to me. In contrast, if I read something about Hamilton investing in a $200 million dollar public space and condo project downtown that would spark my interest.
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Tarnished tower offers hope
Partially mothballed Steeltown landmark has 360-degree view of a brighter future;

PART FIVE OF SEVEN

Paul Wilson
The Hamilton Spectator
(Oct 4, 2007)

The view up here is fabulous, 360 degrees. Mountain, harbour, east, west. It's the best in the city. But no one's seeing it. They haven't for years.

We've arrived at 100 King St. West, better known as the Stelco Tower, perched atop Jackson Square.

We're getting a special ride today. We proceed to the west bank of elevators, the ones that go to the top half of Hamilton's tallest office tower. They've been locked down a long time.

Push the button, floor 24. This cab may be dusty, but it's ear-popping fast. In an instant, we're soaking up that view.

This panorama used to belong to the captains of Stelco. The tower was built for them and a thousand of their charges, the staff who moved over from the factory zone to this tower of new times. This was the first step in the rebuilding of downtown Hamilton 35 years ago.

"The needs of the community will be greatly served by all the things that will spread out from this beginning," Stelco chairman H.M. Griffiths said on opening day.

But the past two decades have been tortuous for Stelco. Thousands downsized. Huge losses. Flirtation with bankruptcy. And finally, hopefully, new stability with the purchase of Canada's last independent steelmaker by U.S. Steel. But the sale does little to help downtown, specifically that rust-coloured monolith in its midst.

The tower emptied out in dribs and drabs. It started off full, Stelco occupying 15 floors. In 1979, the company had 1,700 employees in the building. Ten years ago, that was down to 300.

Three years ago, the last of them were transferred back to the Stelco plant. And the Jackson Square developers shut down the west bank of elevators, thus sealing off floors 15 to 24.

A mix of banking and insurance firms occupy the floors below, including Royal, TD, RBC Dominion, Laurentian, London Life, Great-West, Reliable Life.

The downtown Hamilton office vacancy rate stands at 27 per cent. Take the Stelco Tower/ Jackson Square properties out of the equation and that rate drops to about 15 per cent.

How to fill up that tower again? Surely the man to talk to is Emile Mashaal, president of Yale Properties. It's the Montreal-based development company that began building the Jackson Square complex in the early '70s, leasing the land beneath it from the city for 99 years.

The complex has struggled, but it would be hard to blame Yale for that. It has kept the properties in good repair and modernized along the way.

I finally get through to Mashaal. "I didn't want to talk to you," he says. What he means, as it turns out, is that he doesn't want to talk to anybody from Hamilton. No one at The Spectator, no one at city hall, no one.

"Everyone knows what the problem is," he says. And what would that be? The mob? The smog? One-way streets?

"I'm not going there," he says.

What does he want to see happen in Hamilton? "I want to go to a city where if I provide the best product at the lowest price, I get a chance to sell it ... That's it, OK? Thank you. Goodbye." And he hangs up.

It's a remarkable state of affairs when downtown's biggest player in office/ retail space loathes the city he's invested in.

There's background here. Yale Properties went after the deal for a new federal office complex eight years ago and lost.

Six years ago, the city proposed pulling the Farmer's Market out of Jackson Square and putting it across the street in an office/hotel complex at the Lister Block. Yale sued on that one and the market didn't go anywhere.

And last May, when the politicians were talking about building a new City Hall, Yale Properties took out an ad in this newspaper, a reminder that it had 400,000 square feet of empty offices. The mayor had no response.

We turn to developer David Blanchard. He's been part of the local scene for decades. He and partners now own virtually all the so-called B office buildings in Hamilton, retrofitted towers that include 25 Main West, the HSBC at Hughson and King, the former Union Gas building at Hughson and Main. (There are only two A buildings downtown, the mirrored twin towers at King and James.)

Blanchard doesn't want to tell Yale Properties how to do business. But what would he do with the top half of the Stelco Tower?

"It should be made into condos. They'd sell in a minute. Look at that view.

"They say there are technical problems and they can't do it. I don't believe it." He says a 1,000-foot unit could go on the market at $250,000 to $300,000.

But what about filling the Stelco tower with office workers again? "All that space was designed to house the kind of big companies that aren't here anymore. Stelco, Westinghouse, Firestone, you name it."

It would be a mistake to hope that the big companies will be coming back to town. "I've been waiting for that for 25 to 30 years," Blanchard says. "It's not going to happen."

His outfit has saved vintage buildings. In the '90s, three of the four corners at Main and James were occupied by spectacular but empty buildings. But Blanchard and associates have brought all those corners back to life -- the 1928 Pigott/Sunlife complex is condos, the 1908 Landed Banking building is office space and the 1929 Bank of Montreal is now palatial quarters for the Gowlings law firm.

Blanchard is now starting work on a 1950s Modernist low-rise on Hunter, across from the Hamilton GO Centre.

It's an expansion and retrofit of the city's health department headquarters.

Blanchard says that's the formula. "Take these good buildings, fix them up, keep the city ticking."

Is that it? Just look after what we already have and find new uses for old structures? Restore the core a corner at a time? Many think so.

"Stop looking for the megadeal," says Jack Beume, longtime developer with a dozen properties around Hamilton. At his latest, he spent $500,000 to clean up a building at James and Hunter once used for courts. He now has a full board of commercial tenants.

More from Beume: "Give the politicians some backbone and kick out the bums downtown. You have to make people feel safe."

Bob Bratina, councillor for the downtown ward, knows the problem. "A certain football team didn't want to stay downtown and that upset the owner very much."

That's David Braley and his B.C. Lions that's he's talking about. If a 300-pound tackle is anxious about staying downtown, it's situation serious.

So you have to make the core less lonely, get more people with jobs moving in. More GO Transit is good for that, Bratina says. "It encourages the development of higher class residential." More condos like the Core Lofts, carved out of the old Bell building at Main and Bay.

GO has just indicated it would be prepared to bring service to James North as well as the TH&B. But more GO will hasten Hamilton's transformation to bedroom status.

"So what?" says Bratina. "If people with a household income of $100,000 want to start treating Hamilton as a bedroom, that's better than a 20 per cent poverty rate."

Bratina says downtown needs hotel rooms, too, especially with the Royal Connaught dark these many years.

And Azim Kassam has ridden into town to do his part. His family had hotels in Toronto. He bought the old Ford dealership on Main East near Wellington for $1.3 million and is well into the $3.7 million job of converting it to a 60-room Days Inn. It's to open in March.

A couple of other hotels are supposed to be coming to the core. "The more the merrier," Kassam says. "That way people will be more comfortable downtown."

Dave Kuruc sometimes serves out-of-towners. He's run the Mixed Media arts shop on James North for two years. He's a pioneer in the arts renaissance on the street, a phenomenon that now lures adventurers from suburban places.

Kuruc talks about six people from Mississauga who signed up for a course at the Print Studio across the street.

They had lunch at Acclamation, each spent about $60 at his store and marvelled at the street's architecture. "They arrive with no preconceptions," Kuruc says. "They see what we don't."

He thinks we could do a better job of linking the waterfront to downtown. The trolleys are full down by the bay and he'd like to see some kind of special conveyance moving up James Street, too. "Something that when people see it they want to be on it," Kuruc says.

He's 29, but knows his history. He knows about the waves of immigrants who moved here. They lived above the stores and on the surrounding streets. They worked, shopped, took evening strolls. They built the community. After they moved to the suburbs, there was a vacuum.

"We close at six because there's no one left here," Kuruc says. "It's a pretty quiet place at night." Empty sidewalks don't feel safe.

"But now we're starting to see places being rented to good people," Kuruc says. "They're the ones who will make this a real neighbourhood again."
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Wow, what a guy huh? Emile Mashaal from Yale. Jeez
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no kidding.
gee, I wonder why Jackson Square is sitting there left to rot.
with owners like that we should just be happy they don't empty it out intentionally and leave it empty.

Paul Wilson is great. I'm glad he brought in those other groups that are doing good work downtown. it shows that good buildings get rented out. crappy ones don't.
Imagine living up in Stelco Tower? wow. that would be sweet.
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Wow the Spec really played to Yale in that one. Horrible.
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Yale will get what they deserve. Most everyone I know has complained that Jackson Sq. looks like the 1970's. If they don't update it then what do they expect? As for Stelco Twr, if they have no hope of filling the office space, why not convert it to residential? I thought the whole point of being in business is to make money. They're not making money with it sitting empty and they sure won't fill it by neglecting it and complaining about Hamilton. The best thing they could do is sell the place to someone who cares even a little.
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Hospitals, Mac and Mohawk are helping city turn the page

PART SIX OF SEVEN

Denise Davy
The Hamilton Spectator
(Oct 5, 2007)

The view of Hamilton from the Skyway is a jagged profile of belching smokestacks.

It's part of the manufacturing sector that has defined this city for decades. But some believe that scene from the bridge -- and the manufacturing sector overall -- is merely our past.

They say Hamilton's future can be found at the other end of town. It's at the hospitals, McMaster University and Mohawk College. They are all experiencing unprecedented growth, all poised to become the economic engine that could finally tip the local economy into overdrive.

The numbers back that up. Hamilton's hospitals -- Hamilton Health Sciences and St. Joseph's -- hold a combined annual budget of $1.5 billion. Their combined workforce stretches to about 16,700. HHS is now the single largest employer in the city. And both are growing, with millions of dollars set aside for new programs and new facilities.

It's a similar story of growth at Hamilton's post-secondary institutions, with McMaster's planned expansion into Burlington and Mohawk's into Stoney Creek and Brantford. That growth is expected to continue.

HHS's workforce alone is expanding by almost 3 per cent a year.

It's an altogether different picture in the manufacturing sector, which lost 11,600 jobs in 2006.

The numbers point to a city in transition, a city moving away from its gritty blue-collar image to one of white lab coats and antiseptic hallways, where knowledge is one of the commodities traded. Headlines of recent years reinforce the view, boasting of public and private investments in health and education, countered by plant downsizings and job loss in manufacturing.

Screaming out among those headlines are words about innovation, an attractive concept for a city trying to move forward. In fact, many believe it is the research taking place in the city that will act as a magnet for skilled workers to the health-care and educational sectors, and give Hamilton the competitive edge to rise to the top.

Six years ago, for example, HHS spent $60 million a year on health research. Now it's more than $200 million. The goal 15 years down the road is to increase that to $400 million.

McMaster's plans for Innovation Park, a biotechnology research hub, is the shining example of how research could be the economic tipping point for Hamilton. Add to that the draw of CANMET Materials Technology Laboratory to the park. It will bring 200 jobs, and, just as importantly, hope for a multitude of spinoff research jobs and companies.

Few predict Hamilton will move too far from its roots. Manufacturing remains the lead employer with 57,000 workers in the greater Hamilton area. But many of those jobs now sit with small companies employing hundreds of workers instead of thousands employed by steel giants.

Hospitals and social assistance employ 40,000, but it's the spinoff sectors that add to their influence -- the nurses, pharmacists and specialists employed outside of hospitals, and the industries which support health care, including pharmaceutical, medical, surgical and orthopedic suppliers.

Add to that the two million people in the catchment area who use hospital services and pump money into local hotels and restaurants.

Murray Martin, CEO and president of Hamilton Health Sciences, a family of five acute-care hospitals plus a cancer centre, believes the growth seen in the last five years will only accelerate.

"The health-care sector is the catalyst to a whole new spectrum of industries that could become Hamilton- based," said Martin, adding that investors will also be drawn by the expertise in hospitals and universities.

"When you look into your crystal ball, we are very much poised to take on a larger role," says Dr. Kevin Smith, president of St. Joseph's Healthcare.

But not without challenges, the most significant of which is finding health -care providers. Already there are shortages in nursing and other specialty fields, and the pressure will mount as 35 per cent of the HHS workforce is expected to retire within 15 years.

Another huge challenge is what Smith calls the "war for talent." Some of Hamilton's finest are being lured away other countries, and even other provinces such as Alberta.

"The stars are under hot pursuit by everyone," said Smith.

At McMaster University, too many graduates leave the community.

"Hamilton's future prosperity will turn on their ability to attract and retain talent," said University of Toronto's Peter Warrian, Senior Research Fellow, Munk Centre for International Studies, who is studying Hamilton's changing economy.

That's where Mohawk College plays a key role, said president MaryLynn West-Moynes. Mohawk has partnered with the hospitals and McMaster to try and ensure they're turning out the workforce of the future. But she's looking to the province for stronger funding to educate that workforce.

"We need to shake up this province if we're going to find the people to fix our cars and build our roads."

There is some concern over this move toward health and educational sectors and away from manufacturing. The dollars funding these new sectors often come in some part from taxpayer dollars, while manufacturing is viewed as bringing in new private money.

"Stelco and other manufacturers get money from outside sources like Spain," said Marvin Ryder, marketing and business strategy professor at McMaster University. "They are wealth- generating businesses and better for the economy."

Martin points to a growing private sector support for new innovation in health and education that will balance that out.

It all speaks to the issue of balance in any economy, where a city like Hamilton should have room for both manufacturing and health-care sectors, said Roger Trull, vice-president of McMaster University.

"Maybe what we've learned from the past," said Trull, "is (that) having complete concentration in any one area probably isn't in the best interests of the overall community in the long run."
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an absolutely brilliant piece in the new issue of www.raisethehammer.org
Finally the stats are backing the assertion of thousands of local residents who are absolutely tired of this useless old boys club that is slowly ruining our city with all of THEIR anti-growth, anti-business and anti-development policies. It's getting tougher and tougher for them to try to point the finger elsewhere and blame others for "anti-business" attitudes like they've always tried to do. Their fingers can only be pointed in one direction now - the mirror!

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we had better start growing, AND FAST!



CATCH News – December 27, 2007
Major spending premised on growth projections
City council has given approval in principle to a plan <http://www.myhamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/B3A3A1BD-A2A1-4CA5-9131-F0A897686FEB/0/Dec10FCS07098PW071452008RecommendedWater.pdf> to spend $1.6 billion on water and wastewater infrastructure. This is about three times the combined cost of the Lincoln Alexander Parkway and Red Hill Creek Parkway and will triple the city’s debt. And like those roads, this spending is substantially premised on future growth.
One billion is for sewers and sewage treatment, half a billion for water services, and the remaining $100 million will deal with stormwater upgrades. The spending <http://www.myhamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/BA509DB2-FEDE-442F-8151-CA12BD810A1A/0/AppF.pdf> is planned to take place over the next decade, but over half is scheduled for the next two years – $191 million in 2008, and $657 million in 2009.
Much of the spending will be borrowed – tripling the city’s current debt load.
The city debt is in two parts. The part paid for by property taxes stands at $294 million and will peak next year at about $360 million after which it is projected to slowly decline – although it won’t come down to this year’s level until 2015.
The other part of the city’s debt covers water and sewer services and is consequently referred to as the rate debt. It sits at only $8 million this year, but is scheduled to jump to $602 million by 2011 and to remain above $500 million until at least 2017 – the furthest date currently projected.
The $1.6 billion in spending on water and sewers has a number of objectives including reducing pollution to the harbour sufficiently to get it de-listed as a Great Lakes hotspot. That means moving Hamilton’s sewage treatment to the tertiary level.
The plan will also more than doubling the flows that can be accommodated at the Woodward Avenue wastewater plant. At this point, that facility can handle 400 million litres a day. Staff say that flows in 2005 reached 93 percent of Woodward’s capacity. The upgrades and expansion are expected to allow for treatment of 1000 million litres a day.
Tables presented to councillors earlier this month show that $615 million of the $1.6 billion is specifically being spent to accommodate expected growth. As a result, the city plans to collect three-quarters of that amount from development charges on the expected growth. To accomplish this, a need has been identified to raise development charges by about 25 percent.
In their presentation to councillors, staff raised the prospect of an “appeal by the development community” against such increases as one of the key risk factors facing the spending plan. The Hamilton Halton Homebuilders Association raised strong objections last year to a city attempt to include some of the costs of the water and wastewater plan in the development charge bylaw approved in June 2006.
A second development-related risk is the possibility that growth won’t take place at the rate expected. The city is assuming a 150,000 population spurt will occur by 2031. So far, actual growth is falling far short of the predictions.
Last year’s census found 504,000 Hamiltonians – 6000 less than what was expected by 2001, and 36,000 short of the 2011 projections. These numbers come from a provincial study <http://www.hemson.com/news/GrowthOutlookForGGH%2017Jan2005a.pdf> done by Hemson Consulting, and have since been incorporated into the Places to Grow growth plan.
Prior to that, Hamilton commissioned its own study on population growth <http://www.myhamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/CDEEB740-DCB6-4C6F-867A-783A9F4AD542/0/CSEProjectionsReportandSummary.pdf> – from the Centre for Spatial Economics. It offered three growth scenarios. The mid-range one roughly matched the Hemson numbers, but even the slowest growth scenario predicted nearly 520,000 for 2006.
That suggests a third risk – the city being forced to chase future growth in order to pay off the incurred debt. That risk is built into the financing of the new infrastructure. The spending covered by development charges are almost all initially borrowed by the city – on the expectation that they will be repaid as growth takes place over an extended period.
By 2012, the “development supported” portion of the debt for the water and wastewater plan is slated to be $395 million. That’s 91 percent of the total amount that the city is counting on collecting from development charges. Five years later, that part of the debt is projected to still exceed $350 million.
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Man that's friggin expensive for the wastewater infrastructure.

Hamilton just broke the 500,000 barrier. 150,000 more in 30 years - 650,000? I suppose that's possible I remember seeing a Hamilton greeting sign saying 440,000 ish a few years ago - before amalgamation, so that's 60,000 increase within 10 years. That would be about 180,000 in 30 years or 680,000.
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barring a miracle, we ain't going to grow by 150,000 in 30 years. no way.
check out the growth rate of the past 30. brutal.
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Again don't entirely believe everything from CATCH. Hamilton's population has skyrocketed in the last 10 years, post-amalgamation. Highest population increase in Hamilton's history, more than the great industrial boom of Hamilton in the past. Because of this Hamilton surpassed Winnipeg. Do you think all these home builders permit are being built for nothing? West Mount and all of the western edge of Hamilton is loaded with brand new homes and continues to build more and more homes.

If you don't believe me than take a look at this graph
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some info from the census.

In 1991 Hamilton-Wentworth had 451,000 people.

http://www.myhamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyre...gfacts1997.pdf

In 2006 we had 504,000.

That's 53,000 people in 15 years.
That would be 106,000 in 30 years.

Much slower growth than projected. I'm sure if you go back to 1986 or 1981 the trend would be the same. This has been a problem for a long time and will continue to be if we spend all of our money on low-density suburbs.
Sure, we're consuming land like there's no tomorrow, but not putting much population on it.
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Again don't entirely believe everything from CATCH. Hamilton's population has skyrocketed in the last 10 years, post-amalgamation. Highest population increase in Hamilton's history, more than the great industrial boom of Hamilton in the past. Because of this Hamilton surpassed Winnipeg. Do you think all these home builders permit are being built for nothing? West Mount and all of the western edge of Hamilton is loaded with brand new homes and continues to build more and more homes.

If you don't believe me than take a look at this graph

Just so you're aware, that graph tracks the old city of Hamilton until the year 2000 then suddenly jumps once including the 'new' city of Hamilton.
True numbers need to be looked at using the old Region of Hamilton-Wentworth since that is what the 'new' city consists of. My numbers above are from the Region in 1991 and the 'new' city in 2006. An equal comparison.
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The new City of Hamilton is now with all the suburbs and that's why the city predicts 150,000 more people in 30 years so that's why I brought up the graph to show that it's possible. Without amalgamation it would be absolutely impossible. That's why all these population prediction reports from Hamilton were all developed post-amalgamation. These suburbs are what making Hamilton's population increase like it or not.
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I know....my point is that you can't exclude the suburbs until 2000 and then suddenly show a huge jump by adding them in. They've always been there, just under a different name.
The Region existed since 1974. Population trends can be looked at from then right up until now. The only difference is now its called the City of Hamilton, not the Region of Hamilton-Wentworth. My numbers are including those suburbs. 53,000 increase in 15 years.
Unless city hall is aware of another 5 nearby towns they can amalgamate, there's no way in heck we're growing by 150,000 in the next 30 years.
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Let's go with 53,000 over 15 years. Over 30 years it'll be 106,000 still pretty close to 150,000. Now Hamilton's economy in the future looks better than in the past 30 years and 150,000 isn't really that far off.
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