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Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 1:57 AM
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Is Miami is a third world city? That's kind of subjective. Instead I would like to list cities that have a higher percentage of the population speaking English than Miami:

1. Berlin
2. Frankfurt
3. Copenhagen
4. Stockholm
5. Oslo
6. Munich
7. Geneva
8. Singapore
9. Mumbai
10. Hong Kong
etc.
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 2:06 AM
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Is Miami is a third world city? That's kind of subjective. Instead I would like to list cities that have a higher percentage of the population speaking English than Miami:

1. Berlin
2. Frankfurt
3. Copenhagen
4. Stockholm
5. Oslo
6. Munich
7. Geneva
8. Singapore
9. Mumbai
10. Hong Kong
etc.
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 2:53 AM
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Is Miami is a third world city? That's kind of subjective. Instead I would like to list cities that have a higher percentage of the population speaking English than Miami:

1. Berlin
2. Frankfurt
3. Copenhagen
4. Stockholm
5. Oslo
6. Munich
7. Geneva
8. Singapore
9. Mumbai
10. Hong Kong
etc.
At first glance, this seems bogus. Please post a source, because until you do, I really don't believe this.
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[QUOTE=newplace;2538993]It is like a third world country down there. In the terms that there is no middle class and the very very poor serve the very very rich. IQUOTE]

What BS. Most of Miami-Dade county is middle class. Not rich, not poor. Who buys the $300,000-600,000 homes througout the county? Oh yeah... the middle class. The rich and the poor are a minority here; the middle class is the majority. Visit this website and input various zipcodes in the county and you will see what I am saying: http://factfinder.census.gov/home/sa....html?_lang=en
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The Miami skyline has literally doubled in size since I was last there in 2002. I assume most of those buildings are residential?
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^ yes they are mostly residential but there are office towers going up downtown as well
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It is like a third world country down there. In the terms that there is no middle class and the very very poor serve the very very rich. IQUOTE]

What BS. Most of Miami-Dade county is middle class. Not rich, not poor. Who buys the $300,000-600,000 homes througout the county? Oh yeah... the middle class. The rich and the poor are a minority here; the middle class is the majority. Visit this website and input various zipcodes in the county and you will see what I am saying: http://factfinder.census.gov/home/sa....html?_lang=en
If anyone else has the time, I would say give this factfinder thing a go go. Its pretty good, my statement earlier was right. Miami Dade county per-capita is poor, very very poor and very very rich. Find some zip codes and punch them in add up some percentages you'll see what i mean. Also these links tell a similar story.

http://www.collinscenter.org/publica...?doc_id=170080

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...s/15903770.htm

http://ezinearticles.com/?For-the-Mi...Lost&id=350248
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2007, 10:39 AM
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That's just insane, so much building.
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Awesome pics! Atlanta is going through a historic building boom too, but we don't have nearly that many cranes in the air...just a testament to the unreal amount of construction in progress in Miami!
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Miami is not a Third World city as has been popularly assumed by many on this thread. To hold that it is the "3rd world" just because a large portion of the population are not native English speakers is terribly ignorant.
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Miami is not a Third World city as has been popularly assumed by many on this thread. To hold that it is the "3rd world" just because a large portion of the population are not native English speakers is terribly ignorant.
There is definately an exotic 3rd world feel to Miami.
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Just to cover myself I never said in my post that Miami is third world because most of its residents are not native. My opinion is based on strictly on my experiences in the many impoverished, downtrodden, and unkept areas in Miami. I have no problem with ppl speaking their native language. I am learning Spanish right now and enjoying it. I think it makes Miami unique. I must say though that I think that all immigrants should at least be trying to learn English because I think it is vitally necessary thing to be successful in this country and also helps them be incorporated into American society. If I moved to a country where they spoke another language I would try to learn the language.
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Miami is not a Third World city as has been popularly assumed by many on this thread. To hold that it is the "3rd world" just because a large portion of the population are not native English speakers is terribly ignorant.
English is my 2nd language and I grew up in Miami. (Downtown is the exception in the statement I’m about to make) the infrastructure in Miami is 3rd world highways, gov. buildings ect... The middle class is moving out of the area at an alarming rate. Their numbers are small to begin with. The level of education college grad, and skilled workers are a huge cause for concern in Miami and has been for years. that’s all I’m saying… 3rd world-ish, 3rd world like city. is that so bad to say. Miami as a city was bankrupt in 99' 00. I think ignorance would be not knowing the facts. I do live in Canada know because of my work but i grew up in south Florida and my family still lives there. We have been saying this for years, its really nothing new.
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English is my 2nd language and I grew up in Miami. (Downtown is the exception in the statement I’m about to make) the infrastructure in Miami is 3rd world highways, gov. buildings ect... The middle class is moving out of the area at an alarming rate. Their numbers are small to begin with. The level of education college grad, and skilled workers are a huge cause for concern in Miami and has been for years. that’s all I’m saying… 3rd world-ish, 3rd world like city. is that so bad to say. Miami as a city was bankrupt in 99' 00. I think ignorance would be not knowing the facts. I do live in Canada know because of my work but i grew up in south Florida and my family still lives there. We have been saying this for years, its really nothing new.
Well I also lived in Miami for a number of years and we obviously have far different outlooks on the city as a whole. Just to comment on your points: if Miami's highways and government buildings make Miami 3rd world, then the highways and buildings in PA, NY, and NJ (among other states) must make those states somewhere around the 5th world or so. As for the middle class moving out at an "alarming rate"... Moving out of the city proper, probably, owing to how ridiculously expensive living in nice areas of the city has become. It has become one of the least affordable cities to live in in the US. Case in point: my friend bought his 2 bdrm home in the Roads area near Brickell in 1997 for $190,000... last year it was assessed at over $800,000. The suburbs to the west, north, and south continue to grow at a rapid pace - that's where your middle class is (just like anywhere else in the USA - the suburbs).

A highly-educated, skilled workforce is a concern for just about every city; especially industrial cities in the Northeast and Midwest. Does this make Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Buffalo, Detroit, Philadelphia, etc. 3rd World? And as for the "bankruptcy" claim... do you realize how many cities across the nation are considered financially distressed or bankrupt still? Miami has more than emerged from that financial mess and did so without consolidation of the city and Dade county as was proposed at the time.

I realize that Miami serves as one of the largest ports of entry for immigrants, especially those from various nations of Latin America and the Caribbean (places many consider to be developing countries or "3rd world"). Does this add to giving Miami an exotic feel and a mix of cultures that are not present anywhere else in the US? Yes. Does the majority of the city speak Spanish? Yes. Do a high percentage of these immigrants lack higher education. Yes. Do these factors warrant that the entire city of Miami be termed "3rd world"? No.

And if one really thinks about it, if Miami is "3rd World", then why is it home to:
- one of the nation's most important financial centers
- one of the nation's busiest ports
- numerous international consulates
- a private, research university that is among the nation's best (UM)
- the largest medical center in the southeast and one of the largest in the nation (UM/Jackson Memorial)
- many corporate HQs for multinational corporations
- an enormous, thriving international tourism destination
- a higher percentage of BMWs, Mercedes, Porsches, etc. than I've seen anywhere
- one of the wealthiest "suburbs" in the US - Coral Gables

If one has ever been to a true "3rd World" place, then it's more than apparent that Miami does not fall into this category.
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Well I also lived in Miami for a number of years and we obviously have far different outlooks on the city as a whole. Just to comment on your points: if Miami's highways and government buildings make Miami 3rd world, then the highways and buildings in PA, NY, and NJ (among other states) must make those states somewhere around the 5th world or so. As for the middle class moving out at an "alarming rate"... Moving out of the city proper, probably, owing to how ridiculously expensive living in nice areas of the city has become. It has become one of the least affordable cities to live in in the US. Case in point: my friend bought his 2 bdrm home in the Roads area near Brickell in 1997 for $190,000... last year it was assessed at over $800,000. The suburbs to the west, north, and south continue to grow at a rapid pace - that's where your middle class is (just like anywhere else in the USA - the suburbs).

A highly-educated, skilled workforce is a concern for just about every city; especially industrial cities in the Northeast and Midwest. Does this make Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Buffalo, Detroit, Philadelphia, etc. 3rd World? And as for the "bankruptcy" claim... do you realize how many cities across the nation are considered financially distressed or bankrupt still? Miami has more than emerged from that financial mess and did so without consolidation of the city and Dade county as was proposed at the time.

I realize that Miami serves as one of the largest ports of entry for immigrants, especially those from various nations of Latin America and the Caribbean (places many consider to be developing countries or "3rd world"). Does this add to giving Miami an exotic feel and a mix of cultures that are not present anywhere else in the US? Yes. Does the majority of the city speak Spanish? Yes. Do a high percentage of these immigrants lack higher education. Yes. Do these factors warrant that the entire city of Miami be termed "3rd world"? No.

And if one really thinks about it, if Miami is "3rd World", then why is it home to:
- one of the nation's most important financial centers
- one of the nation's busiest ports
- numerous international consulates
- a private, research university that is among the nation's best (UM)
- the largest medical center in the southeast and one of the largest in the nation (UM/Jackson Memorial)
- many corporate HQs for multinational corporations
- an enormous, thriving international tourism destination
- a higher percentage of BMWs, Mercedes, Porsches, etc. than I've seen anywhere
- one of the wealthiest "suburbs" in the US - Coral Gables

If one has ever been to a true "3rd World" place, then it's more than apparent that Miami does not fall into this category.
Points well made. I agree with you on all of them except for the fact that an extreme high cost of living in an area like Miami is what moves the middle class away, not draws them in. I think the question is what salary defines a middle class family or a single adult these days. This is a debate in microeconomics of south florida. I'm not an expert but you made such a good argument i tend to agree with much of it. on a side not, homestead, florida city, kendal, cutler ridge area are all included in the argument i was making, pretty much miami-dade county as a whole.
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2007, 5:37 PM
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Holy shit.. nice pics! Never knew it was that booming.. now I do!
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I knew Miami was going crazy, but those pics really put it into perspective.
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Points well made. I agree with you on all of them except for the fact that an extreme high cost of living in an area like Miami is what moves the middle class away, not draws them in. I think the question is what salary defines a middle class family or a single adult these days. This is a debate in microeconomics of south florida. I'm not an expert but you made such a good argument i tend to agree with much of it. on a side not, homestead, florida city, kendal, cutler ridge area are all included in the argument i was making, pretty much miami-dade county as a whole.
I agree that defintion of middle class has beome blurred and is an economic issue that I am not schooled in. I feel that what constitutes the "middle class" differs for different cities and that the amounts and limits of salary ranges are not easily characterized, especially in a city like Miami.
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