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Old Posted Jul 5, 2022, 6:56 AM
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I noticed that, it looks weird.

Ollie Quinn is opening in the smaller space next to Urban Outfitters.

They have some new Instagram installations going on now.
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2022, 7:46 AM
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Tower designs look too similar, even with the terraces on the shorter tower. Even tower 3 looks more unique than tower 5.
The point is to make it look cohesive.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 2:20 AM
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The point is to make it look cohesive.
That was probably the idea here.

I myself am a bit partial to projects that have or create some diversity in design language between the individual towers and buildings of the projects and in this regard, I would have a preference for projects like Solo district next door, or even Station Square in Metrotown, both of which where each tower doesn't look like just a copy-paste job of the previous tower but scaled up or down.

I guess it's important to have a unifying language or common motif when designing projects like this, but I think have variety in the designs makes for a more vibrant community and better overall urban context.
You can still have that individualistic look for each tower, while still making them all seem like a part of a cohesive whole - but I guess that requires some serious design skill.

The question here is why does Tower 3 look so markedly different from the other 4 towers (both the built #1 and #2 and the upcoming proposed)?
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 5:33 AM
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Tower 5 will look identical to Tower 3
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 5:53 AM
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Tower 5 will look identical to Tower 3
Sure, they will.

Tower 3










Tower 5




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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 6:31 AM
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You can still have that individualistic look for each tower, while still making them all seem like a part of a cohesive whole
Completely agree, especially at the prices that these are being sold at. These are now being marketed as true luxury towers, I wouldn't want to pay something 4x the price as a tower from 10 years ago only for it to look essentially the same.

Other developers would make greater individual distinction when designing new phases within a masterplan. I think Shape is taking things for granted a little because they have been able to sell their units fairly quickly thus far regardless.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 7:11 AM
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Completely agree, especially at the prices that these are being sold at. These are now being marketed as true luxury towers, I wouldn't want to pay something 4x the price as a tower from 10 years ago only for it to look essentially the same.

Other developers would make greater individual distinction when designing new phases within a masterplan. I think Shape is taking things for granted a little because they have been able to sell their units fairly quickly thus far regardless.
Absolutely.
I mean, look at Concord Pacific next door in their Concord Brentwood project where the phase 2 towers (the Oasis) all look completely different from the 4 phase 1 towers (which,.....granted, ...themselves do suffer from that 'Copy-Paste' aesthetic).

I think a large part of it has to do with the architects that each developer hires to do these projects, and whether they're retaining the architect that does the masterplan for the entire project to do the individual tower phase build-outs (as was the case with Shape here with James Cheng), or if they branch out and get different architects for different ensuing phases (like Anthem did with Station Square where Dikeakos did the master plan, but they later on brought KPF for phase 2's Tower 4 and 5)

But even in the former case, you can still get distinct looks for each of the towers even with the same developer and architect.

I think of Bosa's projects in Metrotown with Gensler, where they have three towers under construction or proposed (the Central Park House and the Willingdon2 and the 70+storey one proposed for Willingdon and Kingsway), and none of them look anything alike.
Granted, not part of the same development, but just goes to show that for a skilled enough designer, not every project has to be a copy-paste job or derivative of previous projects or tower design jobs within the same area even for the same developer.

These kinds of developments where you have clusters of multiple copy-paste jobs tend to evoke for me the unfortunate visual of neighbourhoods in Chinese cities where you have essentially the same tower replicated over hectares upon hectares of a cityscape that just gives a drab almost dystopian feel to it.
It also kind of implies a certain....."cheapness".... or frugality, as if the developer was trying to save costs (which is obviously true to an extent). Kind of ironic for high-end condo towers.

Variety really is the spice of life and if you are paying those high-end prices for those high-end condos, at a minimum, don't make it so obviously cookie-cutter.


At least that's what I think.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 8:14 AM
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Variety really is the spice of life and if you are paying those high-end prices for those high-end condos, at a minimum, don't make it so obviously cookie-cutter.


At least that's what I think.
All of these SHAPE towers are cookie cutter from inside out. It doesn't seem like people have a problem with it. Tower 5 is already sold out.

Floor plans for condos are more or less cookie cutter. There are only so many ways you can re-invent a 500sqft 1 bedroom floor plan.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 4:03 PM
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All of these SHAPE towers are cookie cutter from inside out. It doesn't seem like people have a problem with it. Tower 5 is already sold out.

Floor plans for condos are more or less cookie cutter. There are only so many ways you can re-invent a 500sqft 1 bedroom floor plan.
I can understand floor plans being cookie cutter but I agree with Sprockets above that condos being marketed as high-end shouldn't be cookie cutter. It's like if I pay for an expensive car model I wouldn't want it to look the same as the entry level model either, even though the interior layout could look similar.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 4:40 PM
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I can understand floor plans being cookie cutter but I agree with Sprockets above that condos being marketed as high-end shouldn't be cookie cutter. It's like if I pay for an expensive car model I wouldn't want it to look the same as the entry level model either, even though the interior layout could look similar.
High end? These are high density condos built on a mall parking lot. There's not even any green spaces less than 1km walk away .. unless you want to go walk in a graveyard.

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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 4:50 PM
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Most multi-tower complexes lack soul with so many (thousands!) of units. I like what they did with Station Square and also Solo is turning pretty nice, not to mention Oakridge, but most complexes are more or less copy-paste.

Top floor units on tower 5 may end up having forever views at least to north. Tower 1 views will be dwarfed by next door towers.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 4:59 PM
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I don't necessarily have a problem with copy pasting towers if they're well designed, but these ones are not remotely interesting, and copy pasting them really highlights that even more.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 8:29 PM
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I don't think they are all that cookie cutter.
Towers 1 and 2 are the same, but 3 and 5 are different and 6 will be shorter with the tacked-on stepping.
I think the sameness comes from the height and massing of the towers (no setbacks and same floorplate all the way up).
Tower 3 has a lozenge-shaped floorplate (and lots of spandrel), which is quite different than Towers 1 and 2.
If they jazzed up the balcony glass with fritt, it would easily differentiate the towers.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 8:56 PM
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Is there going to be a 'Tower 4' in this project at all at any later stage (even if entirely rental*) or has that been scrapped completely for......."reasons"?

( in which case I hope that those fine people buying in Tower 5 realize that they're actually really buying in the actual "Tower #4". It's amazing the mental gymnastics people will do to convince themselves that what isn't,.... actually is....or vice versa.)


I thought we had done away with this kind of nonsense, or was that only for floor numbering?
It just seems odd to be to be going, ....'Tower 1, 2,3,....5, 6...(7,8....?) '....as if we're not supposed to notice something's missing there.

(* If I remember correctly, Tower 6 is the one that's going to be non-market/rental so I guess that kind of answers the question of whether they'll be any nominal Tower 4 rental tower, pushed back for a later construction date since that would essentially be what Tower 6 is)
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 10:42 PM
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I think Tower 4 is at the southeast corner and will be in Phase 3.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 11:22 PM
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I think Tower 4 is at the southeast corner and will be in Phase 3.
I assume it's going to be rental (non-market)?

Not surprising that it's relegated to phase 3.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 11:41 PM
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I assume it's going to be rental (non-market)?

Not surprising that it's relegated to phase 3.
At one point Tower 6 was to have the Brentwood Community Centre (I guess that would have tied in to a non-market rental tower above), but that community centre moved over to the Grosvenor Brentwood site, and Shape has advertised that it willl be selling condos in Tower 6.

So unless the non-market is in the podium of Tower 6 with condos above, I think you are probably right that any non-market rental has been relocated and/or pushed back.

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From November 2021:

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Tower 6 will have the long term views to the north, assuming Brentwood Park is not rezoned to the north.


https://www.urbanyvr.com/amazing-brentwood-and-lougheed-update/


https://www.urbanyvr.com/amazing-brentwood-and-lougheed-update/
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2022, 11:42 PM
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Condo king Bob Rennie sues Vancouver developer, multi-billion-dollar pension funds for unpaid fees

Condo king Bob Rennie has been the target of many lawsuits, but for over four decades, the power broker says he has never taken action to sue anyone himself. Until now.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...ion-dollar-pension-funds-for-unpaid-fees

what ever happened to this lawsuit? from what I gather that may be the reason there was such a lengthy delay for Tower 5+6 to go on sale ..... anyone have any more on this topic?




and yes Tower 4 is slated for Rental and in Phase 3.
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2022, 6:28 AM
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Completely agree, especially at the prices that these are being sold at. These are now being marketed as true luxury towers, I wouldn't want to pay something 4x the price as a tower from 10 years ago only for it to look essentially the same.

Shape needs to add AC while they're at it. Solo District towers across the street have AC.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2022, 12:21 AM
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Visited that Gosvenor weekend block event (got a free tote bag 🙂). Just noticed Gosvenor and Anthem are planning communities here (6 towers each?). Brentwood's core is gonna look like cluster of tall towers in 20 years. Just that last block of land with the gas station and car dealer left in the core
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