Winnipeg James Armstrong Richardson International Airport

[bomberjet]

That's the ultra low fare. You can add everything to it. At some point it's just better to go with the economy fare or whatever the next one is called.

[Myst]

March data for YWG flights (from US Bureau of Transportation Statistics)

Route - seats operated - passengers - load factor
YWG-ATL 3702. 2937. 79.3%
ATL-YWG. 3702. 3161. 85.4%
YWG-LAS. 3774. 3058. 81.0%
LAS-YWG. 3774. 3104. 82.2%
YWG-LAX. 2178. 1883. 86.5%
LAX-YWG. 2178. 2085. 95.7%
YWG-MCO. 3090. 2842. 92.0%
MCO-YWG. 3090. 2619. 84.8%
YWG-MSP. 7421. 6353. 85.6%
MSP-YWG. 7409. 6801. 91.8%
YWG-PHX. 2220. 2196. 98.9%
PHX-YWG. 2220. 2154. 97.0%
YWG-PSP. 2532. 2166. 85.5%
PSP-YWG. 2532. 2294. 90.6%
YWG-SFB. 1887. 1124. 66.2%
SFB-YWG. 1887. 1442. 76.4%

Total YWG
Capacity 53407
Passengers 46219
Load factor 86.5%

Obviously the seasonal snowbird migration was leaning northbound.

I, for one, will be interested in how ORD and DEN resumptions impact the loads on other routes. I’m not sure if it is for aircraft scheduling or capacity adjustment, but at least from flight shopping in the last few days it looked like WS may be running more 737-700’s on ATL this summer.

SFB (Orlando Sanford) numbers on Flair are not so hot for being peak of the season.

LAS was 91.2% loads on WS, and 67.3% on Flair.

[Justanothermember]

Originally Posted by Myst

March data for YWG flights (from US Bureau of Transportation Statistics)

Route - seats operated - passengers - load factor
YWG-ATL 3702. 2937. 79.3%
ATL-YWG. 3702. 3161. 85.4%
YWG-LAS. 2262. 2082. 92.0%
LAS-YWG. 2262. 2045. 90.4%
YWG-LAX. 2178. 1883. 86.5%
LAX-YWG. 2178. 2085. 95.7%
YWG-MCO. 3090. 2842. 92.0%
MCO-YWG. 3090. 2619. 84.8%
YWG-MSP. 7421. 6353. 85.6%
MSP-YWG. 7409. 6801. 91.8%
YWG-PHX. 2220. 2196. 98.9%
PHX-YWG. 2220. 2154. 97.0%
YWG-PSP. 2532. 2166. 85.5%
PSP-YWG. 2532. 2294. 90.6%
YWG-SFB. 1887. 1124. 66.2%
SFB-YWG. 1887. 1442. 76.4%

Total YWG
Capacity 50383
Passengers 44184
Load factor 87.7%

Obviously the seasonal snowbird migration was leaning northbound.

I, for one, will be interested in how ORD and DEN resumptions impact the loads on other routes. I’m not sure if it is for aircraft scheduling or capacity adjustment, but at least from flight shopping in the last few days it looked like WS may be running more 737-700’s on ATL this summer.

SFB (Orlando Sanford) numbers on Flair are not so hot for being peak of the season.

In all honestly I think that is a more appropriate aircraft for this route. April, May and so far in June have seen way more passengers flying north than south on this route, and will likely be reflected in the next few months passenger data. The MAXs and 800 series haven't been very full southbound over the last few months (northbound in contrast has appeared to be much higher yields), however if they had been using the 700s consistently, the loads would have been higher percentage wise. I also think 700s would be conducive to having this route go daily, at least during the peak travel season.

[Myst]

Delta has a varied fleet, and does quite a good job of seasonal capacity adjustments while maintaining a reliable schedule. Westjet doesn’t.

On the days I have compared it has also seemed that Delta has sold out their allotment of codeshare seats, while Westjet has plenty of inventory of lower fare seats. I don’t know if they’d actually sell more seats if Delta had more of the inventory, but a case could be made.

[Justanothermember]

I also have a feeling that if the YWG-ATL route was serviced by Delta, the yields would be higher as well. I do think WS needs to up it's game in terms of service to truly get Delta-style consistently high passenger counts.

[Myst]

I have had several (probably 6 or 8) people, when I asked how the flight was, say to me they wished ATL was operated by DL. For varying reasons.

I don’t know whether we would be better served with DL service and DL pricing. Which isn’t bad, but not usually aggressive. Certainly if DL operated, it would be daily, but likely changing from e175 to a319 or a320 or a220 depending on demand. Regardless, WS really should address the IT issues (checkin, etc) with getting their systems seamless with Delta, and make sure enough seats are available through DL.

[Justanothermember]

There are apparently rumours of AA establishing a YEG-DFW route next year. I wonder if this is true, if any other Canadian cities may be in the expansion plans for AA. I would love to see a YWG-DFW route established.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

There are apparently rumours of AA establishing a YEG-DFW route next year. I wonder if this is true, if any other Canadian cities may be in the expansion plans for AA. I would love to see a YWG-DFW route established.

AA has introduced new routes this summer from Charlotte to Vancouver, Calgary and Quebec City; plus Halifax to Washington (Reagan National). In terms of additional new Canadian cities, Edmonton and Ottawa would be at the top of the list (both cities had past AA service).

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

That's the ultra low fare. You can add everything to it. At some point it's just better to go with the economy fare or whatever the next one is called.

Technically not "everything". There is no way you can get two bags into the cabin with the ultra low WestJet fare outside of employees making a huge exception for you.

[Justanothermember]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

AA has introduced new routes this summer from Charlotte to Vancouver, Calgary and Quebec City; plus Halifax to Washington (Reagan National). In terms of additional new Canadian cities, Edmonton and Ottawa would be at the top of the list (both cities had past AA service).

What is this, your 'blah blah blah not Winnipeg' usual post? Since you know nothing of the local market and shit all over the city when you have the chance, I wouldn't put any stock into anything you say.

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by CoryB

Technically not "everything". There is no way you can get two bags into the cabin with the ultra low WestJet fare outside of employees making a huge exception for you.

Gotta play the system. Book ultralow for the best price then flash the military ID for free bags. Gotta save moolah wherever you can these days haha.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

What is this, your 'blah blah blah not Winnipeg' usual post? Since you know nothing of the local market and shit all over the city when you have the chance, your opinion means absolutely nothing.

Really? You asked a question if AA would be expanding elsewhere in Canada. They are already expanding with the increase in their Charlotte service. And you took this as an attack. Wow, you are thin skinned indeed.

But hey, you can call a city that you have never visited in a country as a "shithole" as you called Tijuana. But that's okay? Right? A doubt standard. I guess hypocrisy is your middle name.

How do you know that I "know nothing of the local market"?

[Justanothermember]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

Really? You asked a question if AA would be expanding elsewhere in Canada. They are already expanding with the increase in their Charlotte service. And you took this as an attack. Wow, you are thin skinned indeed.

But hey, you can call a city that you have never visited in a country as a "shithole" as you called Tijuana. But that's okay? Right? A doubt standard. I guess hypocrisy is your middle name.

Regardless of what your opinion is, my connections at the WAA say that DFW or IAH are two of the cities they are looking at for future expansion. So no, it may not be this year or next, but this decade is very plausible.

The current WAA team are very ambitious and want to grow the airport network to establish meaningful connections for Winnipeggers.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

Regardless of what your opinion is, my connections at the WAA say that DFW or IAH are two of the cities they are looking at for future expansion. So no, it may not be this year or next, but this decade is very plausible.

The current WAA team are very ambitious and want to grow the airport network to establish meaningful connections for Winnipeggers.

I expressed no opinion on a YWG-DFW service. Good for the authority actively marketing their airport and region. Doing their job. AA service will fill a gap as YWG currently has no One World airline.

Silent on your Tijuana comments?

[Zmonkey]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

AA has introduced new routes this summer from Charlotte to Vancouver, Calgary and Quebec City; plus Halifax to Washington (Reagan National). In terms of additional new Canadian cities, Edmonton and Ottawa would be at the top of the list (both cities had past AA service).

The expansion to Calgary and Quebec city are heavily tied to tour groups. Its only 1 day a week for 2.5 months for Calgary.

[Justanothermember]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

I expressed no opinion on a YWG-DFW service. Good for the authority actively marketing their airport and region. Doing their job. AA service will fill a gap as YWG currently has no One World airline.

Silent on your Tijuana comments?

Silent on your Winnipeg comments?

NYC and DFW/IAH would fill the last two American gaps for our market. One could also say SEA, but as it's close enough to YVR, I don't think it's a great necessity for us.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by Zmonkey

The expansion to Calgary and Quebec city are heavily tied to tour groups. Its only 1 day a week for 2.5 months for Calgary.

Indeed. YQB service linked to cruise ships passengers. Good for AA and the airport authorities to identify a business opportunity which works for both parties.

[Justanothermember]

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[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

Silent on your Winnipeg comments?

NYC and DFW/IAH would fill the last two American gaps for our market. One could say SEA as a potential market, however given the close proximity to YVR, I wouldn't say it's a big necessity for us.

SFO and IAD as gaps as well? DTW perhaps?

And if you are going to call a place a "sh!thole", at least visit it once. And use correct information. There're no US government advisories for Tijuana:

"There are no other travel restrictions for U.S. government employees in Baja California state. These include high-traffic tourism areas of border and coastal communities, such as Tijuana, Ensenada, and Rosarito."

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

SFO and IAD as gaps as well? DTW perhaps?

I doubt Winnipeg needs two direct Cali flights, LA would cover most of that traffic. Dulles would however be advantageous for trade and political negotiations.