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Old Posted Oct 11, 2024, 7:12 PM
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The counter is broken?
Dead and buried apparently.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2024, 11:02 PM
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Dead and buried apparently.
Seems like it happened this spring. I thought that was a partnership with some 3rd party cycling advocacy group?

https://x.com/cameronmaltby/status/1778069618713579814
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2024, 11:43 PM
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Yeah, it's been broken for a long time.

Given the popularity of the bike lanes, there's no need for a counter to "boost" or "justify" the presence of the bike lane.

Even McDonald's doesn't have "XX millions served" on its signs anymore.
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2024, 12:04 AM
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The yearly numbers weren't that impressive anyway. Over half a million riders? Great, that's the Canada Line having a bad week.
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2024, 10:35 PM
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I wonder how pedestrian crosswalk countdowns rate in terms of improving safety.

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The City of Vancouver is doubling down on this pedestrian safety measure

The City of Vancouver is working to double the number of leading pedestrian interval (LPI) intersections it installs per year, with studies showing the design has the potential to reduce collisions.

An LPI intersection gives pedestrians a head start by switching the walk signal on a few seconds before the light goes green for drivers. This enables pedestrians to establish their right of way and be more visible to drivers who are turning, the city says.

Vancouver had 57 LPI intersections as of May and had committed to creating 15 more every year, at $2,000 per installation, according to a city councillor's motion from earlier this year, which called for a further expansion of the roadway feature.

That motion passed and the city is now working to double the annual number of LPI intersections it installs.

"We see through our work with ICBC, and looking at collision reports and investigations, that turning movements create some of the most conflicts for pedestrians, where vehicles are trying to make a turn at the intersection and there's a pedestrian in the crosswalk," said Winston Chou, the associate director of the City of Vancouver's traffic and data management branch.

Chou said the city has seen fewer pedestrian collisions since installing LPI intersections on a widespread scale starting in 2018, and that pedestrians have also responded positively to the technology.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c...r-leading-pedestrian-intervals-1.7364812
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2024, 12:16 AM
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Pedestrian here: I've seen some people try and cross when the countdown has expired, so IDK what they expect to happen with this one.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2024, 3:53 AM
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Pedestrian here: I've seen some people try and cross when the countdown has expired, so IDK what they expect to happen with this one.
i remember a study a few years ago, and said a lot of congestion/issues at intersections are pedestrians/bikes not following signals. the pedestrian walking at 3 seconds while cars are turning left/right is a big one.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2024, 3:59 AM
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Given that drivers can turn right on a red, it really doesn't do much.
It's more about pedestrians making eye contact with the drivers who might be turning and showing their intention to cross,
that will hold the cars back.

If the purpose is to manage right hand turns, then the delayed green light on Cambie (westbound) at Nelson
is useless because Nelson is one-way southbound, so no one can turn right from Cambie onto Nelson.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2024, 8:37 AM
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Given that drivers can turn right on a red, it really doesn't do much.
They can turn right on red, but they have to stop first, which gives them more opportunity to see the pedestrian.

And they can't turn left on red. Left turns are especially hazardous for pedestrians because today's cars with safety cell construction have wide A-pillars (between the windshield and driver's side window), which means someone crossing the sidewalk in the opposite direction to the car can get hidden behind the A-pillar as the car turns so that the driver doesn't even know that they're there. I try to make a habit of moving my head left and right so as to see "around" the A-pillar when turning left in order to avoid this problem. And when I'm walking I pay special attention to left-turning vehicles because I know that I may be invisible to them.

Giving the pedestrian a head start makes it far more likely that a left-turning driver will be able to notice them.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2024, 1:58 PM
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Giving the pedestrian a head start makes it far more likely that a left-turning driver will be able to notice them.
All that is true but I personally have a problem with aggressive drivers who want to make a turn even though a pedestrian is just clearing the intersection.

I mean you might get incremental improvements by doing this kind of thing you assume long term the thing that will really increase pedestrian safety is some kind of mandatory networked camera/speed profiling system of all vehicles. Just use minimal insurance premiums as a carrot to participate.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2024, 3:46 PM
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Sadly the more tech and screens that are loaded into cars the more dangerous it will be for more pedestrians.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2024, 4:35 PM
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All that is true but I personally have a problem with aggressive drivers who want to make a turn even though a pedestrian is just clearing the intersection.
Yep, there are aggressive drivers, and aggressive pedestrians too. All we can do as individuals is to be on the lookout for them. And if a small infrastructure change like giving pedestrians a 2 or 3 second head start is shown to reduce accidents, then I'm all for it.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2024, 7:01 PM
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...And they can't turn left on red...
In BC, drivers are permitted to turn left on red if they're turning onto a one-way street from a one-way or two-way street:

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except when a left turn permitted by this paragraph is prohibited by a sign at the intersection, the driver of a vehicle facing the red light at the intersection of not more than 2 highways, and which in obedience to it is stopped as closely as practicable to a marked crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, or if there is no marked crosswalk, as closely as practicable to the intersection, may cause the vehicle to make a left turn into a highway on which traffic is restricted to the direction in which the driver causes the vehicle to turn, but the driver must yield the right of way to all pedestrians and vehicles lawfully proceeding as directed by the signal at the intersection, and
(from the Motor Vehicle Act, Section 129 (4)(b); the "and" at the end continues to subsection (4)(c) regarding pedestrians.)
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My son and I were almost hit by an idiot left turner the other day. Didn't see us at all I imagine. He was close enough that I was able to hit his back window with my umbrella.
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In BC, drivers are permitted to turn left on red if they're turning onto a one-way street from a one-way or two-way street:
Yes technically true, but that's an extremely small minority of left turns in Metro Vancouver.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2024, 9:05 PM
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They can turn right on red, but they have to stop first, which gives them more opportunity to see the pedestrian.
They will stop as the driver look left and see cars coming. Too often that’s all the driver will do and not look right and hit a pedestrian or cyclist. Right hooking is a common cause of crashes unfortunately. I could very well be convinced to ban right turn on red because of that safety concern…
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2024, 1:14 AM
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True for left turns, but in most cases (on 2 way streets) on-coming traffic will hold back the left turn at the start of a light cycle.

Agreed about the struts in cars blocking sightlines. Oncoming headlights can also blind drivers. Likewise if it's dark and the street lights do not light up the street/sidewalk well.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2024, 12:07 AM
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Proposal to eliminate car lane on Mountain Highway in North Vancouver for new bike lanes irks residents



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According to the District, for the central segment being considered between East 18th Street and East 27th Street, its traffic analysis indicates that the removal of one northbound vehicle lane would “not adversely impact vehicle capacity or vehicle delays.”

The changes are driven by a desire to address Mountain Highway’s issues of having the second most overall pedestrian-involved and cyclist-involved collisions within the municipality, and the most reported safety concerns by the public, with pedestrians not feeling comfortable walking on sidewalks in close proximity to fast-moving vehicles.
That's good that the city is looking at doing something to help reduce drivers hitting pedestrians and cyclists. People deserve to feel safe and comfortable just walking around their own community/neighbourhood.

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Any minor obstacle, like a stopping bus, fender bender, would result in a severe backlog along the now-single lane. This doesn’t only affect me, but affects all others who rely on this route for their daily journeys,” reads the petition.

“While it is evident that creating safer space for bikers is crucial, the reduction in car lanes should not be the primary solution to this. Proper urban planning should consider the needs of all road users.”
If you want to "consider the need for ALL road users.", then I think having a proper bike lane there makes sense? If it is the only proper north-south corridor there which connects with the centre, then it stands to reason that people who don't drive also would want easier access to it as well?

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"Another comment reads, “There is an incredible number of apartment buildings that have been added to the area of Lynn Valley and more to come. The reduction of lanes for traffic is 100% a terrible idea.”

This comment also zeroed in on the possible low utility of a cycling route on steep terrain during the North Shore’s challenging winter conditions: “With over 10,000 new residents in the past 16 years, Lynn Valley needs more vehicular traffic lanes, not less. No sane person would ride a bike on Mountain Highway, just as no sane person would ride a bike in a snowfall.”
This is a rather circular logic that only makes sense at first glance. With more housing and density comes more people. The solution is to build even bigger roads to accommodate more people is not a scalable one. You need to give people more alternative ways to travel from walking, transiting and cycling. If all the people there drive, the roads can never be widen enough to accommodate all the people. You can be sure that traffic congestion will be WORSE in that scenario. It's the same fail argument like the gun issues in the US where some people think the only way to fix their gun problem is more guns.

So, while I do not know the conditions of that road regarding inclines and snow, what I do know is that "more vehicular traffic lanes" is not the solution to whatever traffic issue they're currently facing.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2024, 12:45 AM
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I would never ride my bike on the southern portion of Mountain Highway as it currently is. And walking seems weird too. Like where are these people walking to? Driving it is sketchy enough.

I understand why people might think its a bad idea to make room for bikes. The slope really is steep, the traffic already bad, and lynn valley gets an incredible amount of rain.

If would make more sense if the paths along Lynn Creek could meet up with Lynn Valley but I suspect the slope is too steep for that.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2024, 12:49 AM
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Didn't hear about this but I wonder how much traffic they are expecting on this route.

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We are upgrading the Portside Greenway, a 7 km route following the city’s northern edge, spanning between Gastown and the city’s eastern boundary. The goal is to create a high quality, continuous route that prioritizes safe, comfortable walking, biking and rolling with great spaces along the way.
https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/portside-greenway
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