YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by metroXpress

I guess ETOPs should take the blame and we will no longer see 4 engine planes. At least you have the A380s. YVR needs a little more variety when it comes to wide-bodies. BA still has a huge fleet of 744s so they will be around for a while?

YVR actually sees a pretty decent variety of widebodies: 763, 788, 772, 773, 744, 748 (cargo), 310, 332, 333, 343 and 346 (currently not now though).

I highly doubt the 380 or the 748 will be gracing YVR's skies anytime soon though.

[trofirhen]

Hate to flog a dead horse,but whatever became of this idea?

http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/asi...ng+ready+connect+dots/9058732/story.html

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Hate to flog a dead horse,but whatever became of this idea?

http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/asi...ng+ready+connect+dots/9058732/story.html

I think it is dead.

We do have the following flight:
Air Canada Mexico City (6:30 am) -> Vancouver (10:15 am)
Air Canada Vancouver (2:20 pm) -> Mexico City (11:53 pm)

[Denscity]

AC Rouge started it's YVR service to Vegas today. Surprised no ones posted the news article yet. Don't know how so I can't do it myself.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by casper

I think it is dead.

We do have the following flight:
Air Canada Mexico City (6:30 am) -> Vancouver (10:15 am)
Air Canada Vancouver (2:20 pm) -> Mexico City (11:53 pm)

I'd love to know who killed it, and why.

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I'd love to know who killed it, and why.

a place called YYZ

[deasine]

It's not about YYZ. It's about involving the federal gov't and this opens a huge bureaucratic can of worms. Until the Federal Government is a bit more progressive in this regard, it will not happen quickly and there's no point in asking again and again. If and when they act, you will hear the news.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Denscity

AC Rouge started it's YVR service to Vegas today. Surprised no ones posted the news article yet. Don't know how so I can't do it myself.

So far they're basically just replacing existing AC routes. And if they are a LCC, why haven't the prices dropped? Basically the consumer is paying the same and getting less.

The fact that AC management lumps YVR-LAX and YVR-SFO as leisure routes along with Vegas speaks volumes about how cluelessly Central Canadian they are.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by whatnext

So far they're basically just replacing existing AC routes. And if they are a LCC, why haven't the prices dropped? Basically the consumer is paying the same and getting less.

I can't stress this enough to people, LCC does not equate to Low Cost for Consumer, it equates to Low Cost for Business. Only new entrants will enter the market competitively and lead to lower fares.

Originally Posted by whatnext

The fact that AC management lumps YVR-LAX and YVR-SFO as leisure routes along with Vegas speaks volumes about how cluelessly Central Canadian they are.

No they totally know what they are doing. These routes are not really high yielding by any means. As the airline, why shouldn't they lower their unit cost for the business if the main market share of business is more leisure, low-unit oriented?

[casper]

Originally Posted by whatnext

So far they're basically just replacing existing AC routes. And if they are a LCC, why haven't the prices dropped? Basically the consumer is paying the same and getting less.

The fact that AC management lumps YVR-LAX and YVR-SFO as leisure routes along with Vegas speaks volumes about how cluelessly Central Canadian they are.

I suspect the Air Canada route planning people know what they are doing. Either passengers are paying extra to sit in business class or they are not.

I can see the value of Business Class on a 5 hour flight. Fewer are going to be willing to pay extra for a two hour flight down to California.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by casper

I suspect the Air Canada route planning people know what they are doing. Either passengers are paying extra to sit in business class or they are not.

I can see the value of Business Class on a 5 hour flight. Fewer are going to be willing to pay extra for a two hour flight down to California.

People in film, people in Silicon Valley. Lots of business traffic.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by whatnext

People in film, people in Silicon Valley. Lots of business traffic.

Well AC will not capture too much fifth freedom traffic than compared to the direct options via SFO/SJC. This only leaves O&D traffic. UA has higher frequencies than AC, with flight times that are more oriented to the business market (early morning, afternoon/early evening). And because AC already has a joint-venture with UA whereby they split the profit with UA for even the portions operated by UA, AC has the opportunity to lower the cost of business despite traffic moving to UA. Let me also add, Silicon Valley businesses often have existing contracts tied with US carriers, and thus will tend to fly the US carriers more.

Nike is the only business I know of where they have a cooperation with a Canadian airport (YVR).

[zahav]

Ok guys, here's some photos of the new AB Connector. These are all taken by my work team, credit to them.. So this first section to open is the part closest to the old B-Pier. The gate #s won't make sense right now, but they will after the May 6th gate renumbering.. This phase of the project is going to be open end of May +-, with the other phases opening up till Nov. Enjoy!

[Hourglass]

Thanks Zahav for sharing. There hasn't been much one can gather from the renders and videos out there. You and your work team are doing a great job!

This is looking really welcoming and airy to me. I love that YVR doesn't simply follow the post-industrial chic trend (or whatever it's called) that so many modern airports are moving towards in interior design. Wish they'd lose the ceiling "tiles" though... (seems a bit 90s to me and it's in the ITB as well...)

[YYCguys]

YVR has always been one of my favorite Canadian airports to spend time in, but the A/B Pier and Connector projects are long overdue and very welcome! I'm especially looking forward to this project's updates and completion!

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by deasine

Well AC will not capture too much fifth freedom traffic than compared to the direct options via SFO/SJC. This only leaves O&D traffic. UA has higher frequencies than AC, with flight times that are more oriented to the business market (early morning, afternoon/early evening). And because AC already has a joint-venture with UA whereby they split the profit with UA for even the portions operated by UA, AC has the opportunity to lower the cost of business despite traffic moving to UA. Let me also add, Silicon Valley businesses often have existing contracts tied with US carriers, and thus will tend to fly the US carriers more.

Nike is the only business I know of where they have a cooperation with a Canadian airport (YVR).

UA doesn't have better frequency to LAX.

LCC is supposed to denote a lower cost, leisure carrier. In Rouge's case it's supposed to compete with teh liek of Transat. As a business perosn one day I'm flyign to LAX on an AC E-190 with 2 abreast seating and inseat entertainment, the next day it switches to an old A319 with 3 abreast seating and no AVOD (unless I bring my own device) - and paying the same price. Ripoff.

[connect2source]

Huge improvement thanks so much for the preview! I must say though the 90's look is getting a little tired, it's been almost 20 years since the opening of the International Terminal and YVR is still very much following the original 1996 aesthetic, it's time to move it forward significantly IMO, and yes, the ceiling tiles have to go.

[s211]

Does the canoe motif under the skylights serve any purpose aside from aesthetic?

[PaperTiger]

Originally Posted by connect2source

Huge improvement thanks so much for the preview! I must say though the 90's look is getting a little tired, it's been almost 20 years since the opening of the International Terminal and YVR is still very much following the original 1996 aesthetic, it's time to move it forward significantly IMO, and yes, the ceiling tiles have to go.

I think that the design works well and doesn't feel particularly 90's to me. Even though it shares the same vocabulary as the ITB that vocabulary is rooted more in a Vancouver/BC pallet materials rather than a 1996 "trendy" pallet. I agree the ceiling tiles aren't stunners but they also serve acoustical purposes. Granted there may be other ways to improve acoustics but the design needs to balance aesthetics, occupant comfort AND affordability.

[ACT7]

Impressive numbers for YVR in March, and overall YTD.

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Mar...d_Deplaned_Passengers_Mar_2014.sflb.ashx