Burnaby Updates

[mcj]

Originally Posted by ecbin

It looks like the west end of Holdom station doesn't have an entrance - any idea if there's provision to put an entrance in to support this development? Other than the noisy highway that area around Holdom does seem really well suited mixed use development - sure would be nice to see a real grocery store there soon.

One could be added technically, there is the space for it. But financially, there's no funding coming from this project for that or others, so it probably will not happen.

A low cost and easy to implement solution might be something similar to what Translink did at Sapperton station where they added Compass card readers to the emergency exit stairwells turning them into just regular access stairwells. There's one on either side of the west end of Holdom station, so realistically I could see that happening.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by ecbin

Other than the noisy highway that area around Holdom does seem really well suited mixed use development - sure would be nice to see a real grocery store there soon.

Weirdly my understanding from the Brentwood Land Use Map was that Goring was meant to be the "high street" of the area with mixed use development with Lougheed not really intended for anything other than vehicles. The renders seem to imply that the Goring side is going to basically just be a park with a small strata amenity?

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Weirdly my understanding from the Brentwood Land Use Map was that Goring was meant to be the "high street" of the area with mixed use development with Lougheed not really intended for anything other than vehicles. The renders seem to imply that the Goring side is going to basically just be a park with a small strata amenity?

Looks like a lot of the Goring frontage is a riparian zone to daylight Beecher Creek, so that probably limited what they could do retail-wise.
But the amenity should really be a retail shop/cafe, unless it's set back a lot from the road to allow park access.


Brentwood Land Use Map

[Spr0ckets]

Wasn't sure whether to post this on the Burnaby thread or the Richmond thread, so I'll just post it here since the Burnaby project is the completed one and that's where the developer is based.


Two more projects by the developer that people love to hate on these boards not named Wesgroup are going under receivership.

Thind's Highline in Metrotown and Minoru Square in Richmond have now jumped on the receivership train of the troubled developer.

https://storeys.com/thind-properties...receiverships/

Highline of course completed Construction late last year and received occupancy permit, and is currently undergoing the process of converting the originally proposed office compontent in the podium into a hotel.
Minoru Square never got as far as Construction.

Toronoto-based Kingsett Capital, the financier filing the claims and applying to appoint a Reciever is ostensibly looking towards a sale of both projects to recoup their costs from Thind.

These two are of course in addition to the other Thind project in Surrey that also earlier went into receivership - District Northwest - and had been put up for sale last month.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Looks like a lot of the Goring frontage is a riparian zone to daylight Beecher Creek, so that probably limited what they could do retail-wise.
But the amenity should really be a retail shop/cafe, unless it's set back a lot from the road to allow park access.

If they treat Beecher Creek like a public amenity to centre the retail around they could have something really special in this area. I won't be surprised if it becomes just another ravine, but that's my at least.

[jollyburger]

From 2023 on Keltic's website for the bowling alley project



https://kelticdevelopment.com/projects/5502-lougheed/

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by chowhou

If they treat Beecher Creek like a public amenity to centre the retail around they could have something really special in this area. I won't be surprised if it becomes just another ravine, but that's my at least.

That would be nice, like in San Antonio or elsewhere - but it'll be "natural".

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by officedweller

That would be nice, like in San Antonio or elsewhere - but it's be "natural".

I find myself yearning for something like here in Taiwan, but I'm sure you'll have people come out of the woodwork claiming it's not "natural" enough and it needs to be a ravine otherwise we won't have salmon runs or something.

[officedweller]

Is this new?

From the Peterson website:

Dow & Beresford


https://petersonbc.com/properties/dow-beresford/

Found more renderings:

https://www.bop.ca/project/dow-avenue/

[jollyburger]

I think they are the same ones from 2023 (there might be a few new ones that weren't released at that time in the news coverage)

https://storeys.com/peterson-group-6...otown-burnaby/

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I think they are the same ones from 2023 (there might be a few new ones that weren't released at that time in the news coverage)

https://storeys.com/peterson-group-6...otown-burnaby/

Thanks.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by sitchensis

...new administrative centre at Deer Lake with thousands of employees in a suburban wasteland (with zero hope for rapid transit within the next half-century), when the nexus of social, cultural and business life in the city is quite *clearly* at Metrotown.

almost like when the CoV built its city hall... so i guess just following Vancouver which people seem to love?

Originally Posted by chowhou

If they treat Beecher Creek like a public amenity to centre the retail around they could have something really special in this area. I won't be surprised if it becomes just another ravine, but that's my at least.

Originally Posted by officedweller

That would be nice, like in San Antonio or elsewhere - but it'll be "natural".

it would be a great idea to do that with the space. so you know what that means!

it wont happen.

[VarBreStr18]

Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

Wasn't sure whether to post this on the Burnaby thread or the Richmond thread, so I'll just post it here since the Burnaby project is the completed one and that's where the developer is based.


Two more projects by the developer that people love to hate on these boards not named Wesgroup are going under receivership.

Thind's Highline in Metrotown and Minoru Square in Richmond have now jumped on the receivership train of the troubled developer.

https://storeys.com/thind-properties...receiverships/

Highline of course completed Construction late last year and received occupancy permit, and is currently undergoing the process of converting the originally proposed office compontent in the podium into a hotel.
Minoru Square never got as far as Construction.

Toronoto-based Kingsett Capital, the financier filing the claims and applying to appoint a Reciever is ostensibly looking towards a sale of both projects to recoup their costs from Thind.

These two are of course in addition to the other Thind project in Surrey that also earlier went into receivership - District Northwest - and had been put up for sale last month.

Just ask owners of Lumina project and you will get an idea of how "Thind" is as a developer.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

almost like when the CoV built its city hall... so i guess just following Vancouver which people seem to love?

......

And nothing makes the point better than a comparison to a time back when mass and public transit were absolutely nothing like they are today, and the demographics and urban layout of the cities were completely different.

Really puts a fine point on it.

/s

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by VarBreStr18

Just ask owners of Lumina project and you will get an idea of how "Thind" is as a developer.

Oh, I wasn't defending them.

I'm sure they have their hordes of detractors - most of whom live in their own developments and buildings.

It's probably no surprise therefore, that they now find themselves in this current financial predicament.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

And nothing makes the point better than a comparison to a time back when mass and public transit were absolutely nothing like they are today, and the demographics and urban layout of the cities were completely different.

Really puts a fine point on it.

/s

i dont see how the demographics and layout is that much different between burnaby today and CoV of before. downtown is downtown, city hall is city hall. neither need to be in the downtown.

how was mass transit back then not anything like today? they had streetcars and the interurban and personal cars were less common. walking, transit, were more common.

metrotown area sucks. the only good part is being in the mall. and they want to kill that to. to add more roads. more vagrancy. and a worse experience. . just like moving city hall would do.

[Migrant_Coconut]

At least Vancouver's City Hall is in the middle of everything... Deer Lake, not so much. Even BCIT would be a better spot.

[VarBreStr18]

Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

Oh, I wasn't defending them.

I'm sure they have their hordes of detractors - most of whom live in their own developments and buildings.

It's probably no surprise therefore, that they now find themselves in this current financial predicament.

Just a suggestion for objective fact finding , nothing more , nothing less.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

i dont see how the demographics and layout is that much different between burnaby today and CoV of before. downtown is downtown, city hall is city hall. neither need to be in the downtown.

how was mass transit back then not anything like today? they had streetcars and the interurban and personal cars were less common. walking, transit, were more common.

metrotown area sucks. the only good part is being in the mall. and they want to kill that to. to add more roads. more vagrancy. and a worse experience. . just like moving city hall would do.

Are you serious with these questions?

So just to get this traight, you mean you don't see,... "how demographics and layout is that much different" between Burnaby today (November 2024) and the City of Vancouver before... (December 1936 (City Hall Opening date)"?

Is that it?
Is that where you struggling to see a difference?
In that (**checks notes. does math**) .....88 year time gap?

Mass transit isn't even the same as what it was 30 years ago, and we had skytrain then. Hell, even 20 years ago and that was already the 2000's.

What deluded person thinks transit in 2024 is anywhere comparable to what it was in the 1930's - almost 100 years ago?

You're allowed to hate Metrotown all you want for whatever ridiculous nonsensical reasons, but to allow that hate to lead you to make clownish comparisons is beyond comical and embarrassing.

[chowhou]

You guys are both being silly. In 1935 when Vancouver moved its city hall to its current location, the new site was serviced by the number 1 streetcar and number 17 streetcar (today it's still serviced by the 17 bus and of course Canada Line and 99 B-Line, soon to be serviced by the Millennium Line). From there you could easily connect with the Arbutus Line BCER line or the Central Park BCER line. At the time, the old Burnaby municipal hall was located at the intersection of Edmonds and Kingsway which was on a New Westminster streetcar line and was walking distance to the Central Park BCER line. Both sites were easy to access for all residents of their respective municipalities by the rapid transit of the day.

Vancouver City Hall was moved to where it is to make it more accessible to the residents of Point Grey and South Vancouver post-annexation. It remains easy to access for all residents of Vancouver, and is only getting more accessible.

Burnaby City Hall was moved to where it is to literally put it at the physical centre of Burnaby for some reason. To this day it is poorly accessible by transit.

They are not the same.