O-Train Line 1/3 [ Stage 2 | East Extension | Blair to Trim] | U/C

[Orleans123]

I hope the City has done their locates (call before you dig....lol) because parallel to Champlain and in the middle of the construction zone is a natural gas pipeline (8" Steel intermediate pressure). I recall as I worked for Consumers Gas (at the time in the 90's) and when they built the bridge a massive drilling machine ripped the pipe and the gas was coming out like a Las Vegas show...let's wait and see...get the popcorn out!

[Mikeed]

So whats happening with the 174 widening? The renderings are all over the place. Sometimes 4 lanes, sometimes 3, sometimes 2. Whats the final width of the 174 to Trim going to be when this is done? I thought it would be 3 lanes to Trim.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Mikeed

So whats happening with the 174 widening? The renderings are all over the place. Sometimes 4 lanes, sometimes 3, sometimes 2. Whats the final width of the 174 to Trim going to be when this is done? I thought it would be 3 lanes to Trim.

The 174 as it is today is all over the place. Other than shifting lanes between Blair and the Sir G.E.C Parkway to make room for the rail line, the 174 configuration will stay pretty much the same as it is today. Bus lanes will be given to general traffic.

[Orleans123]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Renderings of the East Flyover Rail Bridge.


East Flyover Rail Bridge footprint


East Flyover Rail Bridge – Concept Image (Looking north-west)


East Flyover Rail Bridge – Concept Image (Looking south-east)


East Flyover Rail Bridge – Concept Image (Looking west)

https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-developmen...n-line-east-extension-spring-2020-update

Ironic - This is exactly the type of eyesore construction (Green Monster) Boston just demolished? But let's build it in Ottawa.....ughhh!

[J.OT13]

It's not a huge elevated highway splitting the downtown in half. It's a short flyover for a rail line over a ground highway. I don't see the big deal. It won't be much worse than the current Transitway flyover in pretty much the same spot (which will be demolished).

I think it will be sharp to seeing trains flying-over.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Orleans123

Ironic - This is exactly the type of eyesore construction (Green Monster) Boston just demolished? But let's build it in Ottawa.....ughhh!

You mean like Vancouver has? That is how the Skytrain looks in most of the city. Hence "Sky"train.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by sseguin

You can view on O-Train Fans the Confederation Line & Stage 2 LRT Update - City Council - May 13, 2020

https://www.otrainfans.ca/news/confederation-line-stage-2-lrt-update-city-council-may-13-2020

Flyover video of construction progress O-Train Stage 2, Confederation Line 1 and Trillium Line 2.

• Video Link

[sseguin]

Stage 2 LRT - Get Involved - Share your Snapshot Updates

The O-Train Fans Snapshot Updates (https://www.otrainfans.ca/snapshot) are our way of documenting, archiving and sharing the history of the O-Train station construction sites.

Over the coming years, we wish to continue this important project which also helps to inform citizens and residents of the work and progress being made at all of the station work sites. As the territory that the new extensions cover stretches across most of the city, O-Train Fans has developed a plan to enhance our coverage which would increase the frequency of updates.

The answer... our loyal rail fans and followers!

We want you to be part of this important time in Ottawa's history, by volunteering your time in helping us visit the station sites, taking photos and writing short descriptions of what is going on, and what is being shown in the images.

All you need is a camera or smartphone to take photos and ideally some basic photo editing skills (to adjust or enhance the photos taken).

If you'd like to know more, please follow the link : https://www.otrainfans.ca/news/stage-2-lrt-get-involved-share-your-snapshot-updates

Thank you very much for your time and consideration.

[J.OT13]

Info video on Montreal Station.

• Video Link

[lrt's friend]

Is this really good news? Instead of transferring at a station with shopping nearby, you get to transfer where there absolutely no services. So, if you just miss your connection, you can't run a few errands at nearby shops. Instead, you stand there twiddling your thumbs. This only benefits commuters when service is frequent. In off-peak hours, your local bus no longer has a useful destination. All this does is make local transit less attractive. This is all about cost savings instead of satisfying customer needs.

[TransitZilla]

^ The video speaks to local buses dropping folks from Beacon Hill off at Montreal Rd Station, but do we know how this is going to be possible? Unless I'm missing something, I'm not aware of any planned bus loop that would allow local buses to turn around and head the other direction. The surrounding road network doesn't really allow for that either.

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Is this really good news? Instead of transferring at a station with shopping nearby, you get to transfer where there absolutely no services. So, if you just miss your connection, you can't run a few errands at nearby shops. Instead, you stand there twiddling your thumbs. This only benefits commuters when service is frequent. In off-peak hours, your local bus no longer has a useful destination. All this does is make local transit less attractive. This is all about cost savings instead of satisfying customer needs.

Originally Posted by bradnixon

^ The video speaks to local buses dropping folks from Beacon Hill off at Montreal Rd Station, but do we know how this is going to be possible? Unless I'm missing something, I'm not aware of any planned bus loop that would allow local buses to turn around and head the other direction. The surrounding road network doesn't really allow for that either.

Good Day.

By all appearances, by the renderings, by the seen-so-far plans, and even within the video, all we see is on-the-street bus stops, under the station structure.
Quickly glossed over and panned through. No bus loops, no PPuDo, no special accommodations - there just ain't no space.
Montreal/174/St.Joseph is a regular run-of-the-mill station stop - nothing more.

This video is a PR marketing tool, a placebo to the masses, a tasty tid-bit to the likes of us, and a keep-that-damn-councillor-off-our-backs panacea.
We are four years out from any reality, and OC-T has a lot of time for changes, modifications, and evolution (or is that devolution) before ANY routes get positioned.
IE: pure BS.

IMHO, this video is totally meaningless and useless.
Apart from getting more renderings of the station above and below, ignore it.

Meh.

[OTownandDown]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

By all appearances, by the renderings, by the seen-so-far plans, and even within the video, all we see is on-the-street bus stops, under the station structure.
Quickly glossed over and panned through. No bus loops, no PPuDo, no special accommodations - there just ain't no space.
Montreal/174/St.Joseph is a regular run-of-the-mill station stop - nothing more.

This video is a PR marketing tool, a placebo to the masses, a tasty tid-bit to the likes of us, and a keep-that-damn-councillor-off-our-backs panacea.
We are four years out from any reality, and OC-T has a lot of time for changes, modifications, and evolution (or is that devolution) before ANY routes get positioned.
IE: pure BS.

IMHO, this video is totally meaningless and useless.
Apart from getting more renderings of the station above and below, ignore it.

Meh.

I love this video for the giggles. FOUR new benches! WOWZERS! 'The future home of Beacon Hill commuters' *chuckles*

As for being out of the way and nothing to do there, not every train station can be attached to a mall. Hurdman is gigantic and you have to walk 500m to catch a local bus. When you 'just' missed your bus, you just wait and enjoy the local weather. Mind you, there are more than four benches there, so...

[J.OT13]

This is just low-level propaganda. There's nothing of substance really. The number of "proposed" benches for each station was presented in last summer's public consultations and at the time was wondering what the point was (and why so few, and does that include benches outside the station?) They also presented the number of fare gates, which is IMO relatively useful information.

It's too early to tell if Beacon Hill transfers will be done at Montreal, despite the video's claim. Blair should remain the hub for communities east of the Aviation Parkway, as it was built specifically for high volumes of transfers. If Montreal does become a "major" transfer station, I assume it will be the starting point and end point for most routes heading there, with the 174 acting as the "loop" (with buses traveling from Blair to Montreal between runs).

The only way you could have efficient through traffic would be if we established Beacon Hill-St. Joseph (with a stop at Orleans Fruit Farm) or Beacon-Hill Blackburn routes. Transfers, yes, but not all Beacon Hill transfers.

I can see it as an important station for cyclists.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

I love this video for the giggles. FOUR new benches! WOWZERS! 'The future home of Beacon Hill commuters' *chuckles*

As for being out of the way and nothing to do there, not every train station can be attached to a mall. Hurdman is gigantic and you have to walk 500m to catch a local bus. When you 'just' missed your bus, you just wait and enjoy the local weather. Mind you, there are more than four benches there, so...

Been there, done that at Hurdman. For the full 30 minutes. It does not sell transit.

[OTownandDown]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Been there, done that at Hurdman. For the full 30 minutes. It does not sell transit.

At least at Montreal Road/points East you don't have to walk for 10 minutes to your bus stop...

[OTownandDown]

But... could be worse, we could be emulating Stockholm's suburban stations (or, at least it would be a whole lot cheaper if we did!)

[J.OT13]

What aspect of the Stockholm station is worse than Ottawa's designs? That doesn't seem far off from Place d'Orleans and Trim.

[MalcolmTucker]

That station wouldn't look totally out of place in Calgary.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

At least at Montreal Road/points East you don't have to walk for 10 minutes to your bus stop...

Place d'Orleans might end up being worse having to go up and down again to reach the bus station.

At Hurdman, I always ride the west end of the train to reduce the length of the walk to the bus station. Just don't rush too much or you might trip and fall down all those stairs.