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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
Option E: "The Canal Park in Ottawa" 18 17.82%
None of the above. Please keep my ashphalt. 18 17.82%
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From my understanding of the new rules, craft brewers will be allowed to sell beer for taking home at any location they own or operate (by contrast, previously they were limited to one store at a place they actually produce beer at). I'm pretty sure that a company that retails for a craft brewer like what TheGoods described would still be prohibited.
Does that mean if Beau's or Broadhead for example opened at Lansdowne, would they be able to sell beer, have a retail outlet with the new law.
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Does that mean if Beau's or Broadhead for example opened at Lansdowne, would they be able to sell beer, have a retail outlet with the new law.
I'm 99% sure that, yes they could.
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Finally a restaurant / drinking establishment on Bank street within the new development, I agree, sure beats a pharmacy! Only downside, have to waint until next year.
Who needs a pharmacy in Lansdowne park after all? There are enough pharmacies in the Glebe area withing close distance like two Shoppers Drug Mart and some Glebe pharmacy. I hope that Craft sells others drinks which are non alcoholic. I do not drink beer at all. I wish that they offer water, juices, and coke.

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Who needs a pharmacy in Lansdowne park after all? There are enough pharmacies in the Glebe area withing close distance like two Shoppers Drug Mart and some Glebe pharmacy. I hope that Craft sells others drinks which are non alcoholic. I do not drink beer at all. I wish that they offer water, juices, and coke.

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There are 10 Shoppers Drug Marts on Bank St alone. Granted this is from Findlay Creek to Downtown, but its quite amazing. In some cases, like Bank/Heron and Bank/Walkley you scratch your head as to why they put so many. I assume they want 100% market share.
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There are 10 Shoppers Drug Marts on Bank St alone. Granted this is from Findlay Creek to Downtown, but its quite amazing. In some cases, like Bank/Heron and Bank/Walkley you scratch your head as to why they put so many. I assume they want 100% market share.
In addition to those two at Heron and Walkley, also TWO at Hung Club & Bank and I believe one at Billings Bridge! That's a 4.5km stretch!
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Does that mean if Beau's or Broadhead for example opened at Lansdowne, would they be able to sell beer, have a retail outlet with the new law.
Anyone ever been to the Amsterdam brewery in Toronto, by the waterfront? They brew their beer there, and in the same building they have a massive restaurant and bar, plus an integrated store which sells Amsterdam beers, which is open till 11PM, 7 days a week (its a little known secret, and good to know if you are in Toronto, its past 9 and all beer stores/LCBOs are closed).

So my answer to the above is, yes.
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Anyone ever been to the Amsterdam brewery in Toronto, by the waterfront? They brew their beer there, and in the same building they have a massive restaurant and bar, plus an integrated store which sells Amsterdam beers, which is open till 11PM, 7 days a week (its a little known secret, and good to know if you are in Toronto, its past 9 and all beer stores/LCBOs are closed).

So my answer to the above is, yes.
Yes, have been there and I love that set up. Was hoping for something similar at Lansdowne.

I believe that the main Amsterdam brewery moved up around Laird when they moved out of the Spadina location. I guess they can sell beer at the lakefront because they brew in both places.
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I'm 99% sure that, yes they could.
While I'm not an expert on this, I actually think they won't be able to. The new beer rules in Ontario are designed to give the illusion of competition while preserving a privileged advantage for The Beer Store.

Craft brewers will be able to sell their product at their brewery (like they can now), and (drum roll please) at FIVE of the nearest "The Beer Store" locations to their brewery. But there is no provision allowing someone to set up an independent beer shop just anywhere. (Oddly enough, the Ontario government will determine which grocery stores will carry beer, limiting the number to a paltry 450 locations - about the same number as existing Beer Stores.)

Sorry to get off topic here...back to Lansdowne.
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While I'm not an expert on this, I actually think they won't be able to. The new beer rules in Ontario are designed to give the illusion of competition while preserving a privileged advantage for The Beer Store.

Craft brewers will be able to sell their product at their brewery (like they can now), and (drum roll please) at FIVE of the nearest "The Beer Store" locations to their brewery. But there is no provision allowing someone to set up an independent beer shop just anywhere. (Oddly enough, the Ontario government will determine which grocery stores will carry beer, limiting the number to a paltry 450 locations - about the same number as existing Beer Stores.)

Sorry to get off topic here...back to Lansdowne.
From the Citizen article that digested all the reforms being made to the liquor system: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/nation...coming+Ontario+booze/10977385/story.html

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Small brewers across Ontario will also be allowed to sell beer on-site at all their locations, no matter how small, which was previously restricted.
That means that any craft brewer could open a satellite location at Lansdowne and sell their beer there. I'm not sure whether or not that satellite location would have to be a producer or not (ie: would they have to produce beer at the Lansdowne location too, or could the Lansdowne location just be a retail storefront?).

The grocery store selection process will be based on a competitive auction.. whichever grocers may the most money for the privilege of selling beer will get it, with a caveat that no single grocer will be allowed to own at least 25% of the licenses. I'm not sure how that's going to be implemented as there's really only 3 grocery chains in the province. Ultimately, almost all of them are owned by Sobeys, Metro, or Loblaws:

-No Frills: Loblaws owned
-Superstore: Loblaws owned
-Zehrs: Loblaws owned
-Independent: Loblaws owned
-Valu Mart: Loblaws owned
-Safeway: Sobeys owned
-Foodland: Sobeys owned
-FreshCo: Sobeys owned
-Food Basics: Metro owned

Farm Boy is independent but they're regionally restricted (IIRC they don't have any locations outside of Ottawa, Cornwall, and Kingston). I suppose Walmart and/or Costco may qualify for licenses too.
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I suppose Walmart and/or Costco may qualify for licenses too.
This discussion highlights the absurdity of Ontario's new rules. Why exactly does the selling of a beverage, in this case beer, have to be so complicated!? Well, it doesn't, except apparently in Ontario!

Costco has already said they likely aren't interested. They sell stuff in bulk quantities, and selling single beers and 6-packs doesn't fit with them. (Yet in Quebec it's ok for folks to buy 28-packs at Costco and the sky hasn't fallen.)
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Well, apparently there were complaints that this thread had gotten boring, so, I decided to come back for a visit and try to liven things up!

Let's see, what to discuss?

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1) Should Lansdowne be granted special tourist area status in order to please Whole Foods?

I say, "no." Their claims to the contrary, they knew full well the rules in Ontario, let's expect them to obey them! Or else, soon it won't just be Good Friday that their employees will be expected to work, but Canada Day, Thanksgiving, who knows, maybe even Christmas Day.

Discuss!

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2) Are there any indications that the influx of business into the Lansdowne mall is actually providing much benefit to existing businesses elsewhere along Bank Street?

My initial impression is that for the majority of people coming to the movie theatre, or Whole Foods or games; they are not meandering along Bank Street, picking up a trinket here and a croissant there.
They are going directly to Lansdowne, for whatever reason they were going there, are wandering a bit around the environs of the site for a while, then getting in their cars, or whatever, and going home.

I think the benefits to local businesses are quite limited, and likely do not make up for the disruption that all the additional traffic is having for local businesses and residents.

Discuss!

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3) The City and OSEG turned a blind eye to the people illegally parking in Aberdeen Square (where the farmer's Market goes) since at least December. How long would this have continued to go on, if not for the Sun's Jon Willing's offhand tweet: "I guess it just is a parking lot."

Does this and other hairbraned ideas -- such as Coun. Bob Monette's suggestion to park cars on the stadium field during the winter -- mean that OSEG/City are panicking about the shortage of parking at Lansdowne?
Are they finally acknowledging that people are unwilling to pay for parking to go to a suburban-style mega-cinema and suburban-style breastaurants, when they can go to those things in their own suburbs without having to pay for parking?

Methinks so.

Discuss!

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4) What does Rexall's decision to back out of its planned tenancy at Lansdowne portend for the long-term viability of the site as a retail destination?

Were they merely doing a solid for Trinity Developments by acting as a space-filler for awhile, or is it a sign of something more serious? Someone on this thread already commented that they had interested commercial real estate clients balk at the idea of locating at Lansdowne once they heard about the limited amount of parking onsite.

I would say that given the premium space developed at Lansdowne (and thus the requirement that virtually every tenant be a corporate-backed franchise) that even then when there are so many empty spaces in the mall, speaks to the fact that this scheme was over-built and under-served by parking and transit, and will always struggle to draw consistent retail business.

Unfortunately that seems to mean that it will become even more of a bar strip than was originally envisioned, and local residents will have to put up with even more caterwauling from drunk Lansdowne customers, day-in, day-out.

Discuss!

There 'ya go! Have a nice weekend!

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From the Citizen article that digested all the reforms being made to the liquor system: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/nation...coming+Ontario+booze/10977385/story.html



That means that any craft brewer could open a satellite location at Lansdowne and sell their beer there. I'm not sure whether or not that satellite location would have to be a producer or not (ie: would they have to produce beer at the Lansdowne location too, or could the Lansdowne location just be a retail storefront?).

The grocery store selection process will be based on a competitive auction.. whichever grocers may the most money for the privilege of selling beer will get it, with a caveat that no single grocer will be allowed to own at least 25% of the licenses. I'm not sure how that's going to be implemented as there's really only 3 grocery chains in the province. Ultimately, almost all of them are owned by Sobeys, Metro, or Loblaws:

-No Frills: Loblaws owned
-Superstore: Loblaws owned
-Zehrs: Loblaws owned
-Independent: Loblaws owned
-Valu Mart: Loblaws owned
-Safeway: Sobeys owned
-Foodland: Sobeys owned
-FreshCo: Sobeys owned
-Food Basics: Metro owned

Farm Boy is independent but they're regionally restricted (IIRC they don't have any locations outside of Ottawa, Cornwall, and Kingston). I suppose Walmart and/or Costco may qualify for licenses too.
Add Giant Tiger, dollar stores, and Canadian Tire to the list, because they sell some food too?
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Add Giant Tiger, dollar stores, and Canadian Tire to the list, because they sell some food too?
Why not add Walmart? I believe that Walmart sells food. Loblaws has a liquor store inside. I am not sure, whether it sells beer. I do not believe that Whole Foods has a liquor license, but I do not know.

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From the Citizen article that digested all the reforms being made to the liquor system: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/nation...coming+Ontario+booze/10977385/story.html



That means that any craft brewer could open a satellite location at Lansdowne and sell their beer there. I'm not sure whether or not that satellite location would have to be a producer or not (ie: would they have to produce beer at the Lansdowne location too, or could the Lansdowne location just be a retail storefront?).

The grocery store selection process will be based on a competitive auction.. whichever grocers may the most money for the privilege of selling beer will get it, with a caveat that no single grocer will be allowed to own at least 25% of the licenses.
It's about time! I've been saying we should do this for years!! Would places like Mac's Milk or On the Run be able to bid?
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I think there is a minimum square footage requirement that would exclude places like Mac's.

This is Ontario, people. Baby steps, baby steps. This is already huge for a place like us that's retained 1920s era restrictions into the 21st century with huge uproar every time change was proposed (both Liberal David Peterson and PC Mike Harris proposed reform but backed down after the MADDs and such of the province said no).
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Arrow Retail Space in Lansdowne park

I think; in my opinion, they can put whatever shops they want in Lansdowne park. It is no concern of mine in the least. It is their money. I do not pay the taxes for Lansdowne park. It is their problem what they want to do.

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Well, apparently there were complaints that this thread had gotten boring, so, I decided to come back for a visit and try to liven things up!

Let's see, what to discuss?
And here I thought that you were so enjoying the many attractions at Lansdowne that you didn't have time to visit this board anymore.

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Should Lansdowne be granted special tourist area status in order to please Whole Foods?

I say, "no." Their claims to the contrary, they knew full well the rules in Ontario, let's expect them to obey them! Or else, soon it won't just be Good Friday that their employees will be expected to work, but Canada Day, Thanksgiving, who knows, maybe even Christmas Day.

Discuss!
I agree that their claim of not knowing the rules was not credible. Still not sure whether Lansdowne meets the criteria for a tourist area. That is really the only question.

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2) Are there any indications that the influx of business into the Lansdowne mall is actually providing much benefit to existing businesses elsewhere along Bank Street?

My initial impression is that for the majority of people coming to the movie theatre, or Whole Foods or games; they are not meandering along Bank Street, picking up a trinket here and a croissant there.
They are going directly to Lansdowne, for whatever reason they were going there, are wandering a bit around the environs of the site for a while, then getting in their cars, or whatever, and going home.

I think the benefits to local businesses are quite limited, and likely do not make up for the disruption that all the additional traffic is having for local businesses and residents.
I've spoken to several business owners about this. The response was essentially that the restaurants have seen an uptick in business, and the other businesses have been relatively neutral. The closure of the parking lot behind Metro has had more of an impact on them than Lansdowne.

In any event, it is very clear that there are more people on Bank Street than there were before, which makes the neighbourhood more vibrant.

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3) The City and OSEG turned a blind eye to the people illegally parking in Aberdeen Square (where the farmer's Market goes) since at least December. How long would this have continued to go on, if not for the Sun's Jon Willing's offhand tweet: "I guess it just is a parking lot."

Does this and other hairbraned ideas -- such as Coun. Bob Monette's suggestion to park cars on the stadium field during the winter -- mean that OSEG/City are panicking about the shortage of parking at Lansdowne?
Are they finally acknowledging that people are unwilling to pay for parking to go to a suburban-style mega-cinema and suburban-style breastaurants, when they can go to those things in their own suburbs without having to pay for parking?

Methinks so.
Methinks that you are jumping to conclusions. There is no shortage of parking at Lansdowne - the parking lot usage statistics make that clear. What there is a shortage of is free parking. The silly suggestions of a suburban councillor are really not evidence of anything. The City should stay the course and in time people will understand that they can't expect free parking in front of their destination in the central city.

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4) What does Rexall's decision to back out of its planned tenancy at Lansdowne portend for the long-term viability of the site as a retail destination?

Were they merely doing a solid for Trinity Developments by acting as a space-filler for awhile, or is it a sign of something more serious? Someone on this thread already commented that they had interested commercial real estate clients balk at the idea of locating at Lansdowne once they heard about the limited amount of parking onsite.

I would say that given the premium space developed at Lansdowne (and thus the requirement that virtually every tenant be a corporate-backed franchise) that even then when there are so many empty spaces in the mall, speaks to the fact that this scheme was over-built and under-served by parking and transit, and will always struggle to draw consistent retail business.

Unfortunately that seems to mean that it will become even more of a bar strip than was originally envisioned, and local residents will have to put up with even more caterwauling from drunk Lansdowne customers, day-in, day-out.

Discuss!
I don't think a decision by one store is evidence of anything, other than a very challenging retail environment everywhere, not just in Lansdowne. The fact that small, independent retailers aren't snapping up space in Lansdowne is consistent with what is happening everywhere, including on traditional mainstreets. Sad in some respects, but not an indictment of the project.

As has been mentioned from the outset, there is no question that some retailers will fail before the right retail mix is found. If that means a bigger presence of restaurants, it won't be surprising, because that is what you find near major sports complexes. It's also the same mix you find on Bank Street.

I do doubt that local residents have been subjected to much "caterwauling" from patrons at all. If, as you suggest, most patrons are driving in, doing their business and then driving out, would the caterwauling not be confined to their cars?
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Buses and shuttle buses

In my opinion, people should just take the city bus or shuttle bus to Lansdowne park. Parking becomes a nuisance. When there are so many people watching the football game at the TD stadium or seeing the Ottawa 67's or a live rock concert, finding parking space can be difficult. The parking underneath the garage and on the streets can become full. If you park on the streets, you have to pay. Don't they give you a limited amount of time which you park free in certain places at Lansdowne park. I do not drive, so Lansdowne park is not a problem to me.

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Also it makes zero sense for Rexall of all businesses to not sign due to parking issues. Pharmacies in urban neighbourhoods get almost all of their customers walking in. Very few items in a pharmacy are large or bulky enough to need to drive them home.
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Montessori high school to expand, relocate to Lansdowne Park

By Erin McCracken
Ottawa South News, May 22, 2015


Burgers sizzle and salads are made as teens prepare lunch for themselves and their classmates at The Element, a Montessori high school in Riverview Park.

In the same classroom, their peers one table over assemble pumpkin pies for a micro-economics class. On a couch nearby, four teens work on a variety of assignments – French poetry and science – or catch up on their reading.

The Element is not your typical high school.

And come September, the grades 7, 8 and 9 students – and, for the first time, Grade 10 students – will be relocated to Lansdowne Park, where their new school is currently under construction.

The expansion and relocation of The Element is meant to provide another option for Ottawa-area students and their parents who are seeking education outside the traditional high school model.

“There are a few specialized programs in the public system, but not a lot,” said Pat Gere, director of The Element and OMS Montessori, known as Ottawa Montessori School until two years ago. “So there seemed to be a real opening for an alternative high school experience for students.”

The idea for the private Montessori high school evolved in 2012 after Grade 7 and 8 junior high classes were added in 2003 to OMS Montessori. Grade 9 was first offered in September 2013.

The not-for-profit charitable corporation’s board of directors has been shopping for a new high school location for more than four years, and finally signed a lease in March, securing the second floor at 425 Marché Way, across from the Aberdeen Pavilion and beside the Horticulture Building in the Glebe.

Construction at the dedicated space began about two weeks ago, and once completed in mid-August will feature a commercial kitchen, design studio, science lab and a learning commons, rather than traditional classrooms.

As a vibrant central hub, one that is accessible by public transit, Lansdowne is expected to provide an ideal learning environment for the teens. The students will be able to access several nearby amenities and services, including an Ottawa Public Library branch, a skateboard park and ice rink, as well as basketball courts and baseball diamonds.

“We decided it was important for us to put the adolescent into contact with the adult world rather than taking them out and putting thousands of them in a high school subdivision,” Gere said. “One of the things that adolescents crave is interaction with the adult world.”

This is in keeping with the Montessori educational method based on the work of Italian doctor and educator Dr. Maria Montessori.

OMS Montessori, which offers a toddler program for children, ages 18 months to three years old, a preschool program for children three to six years old and grades 1 to 6, began in five different locations in the Rockcliffe community 49 years ago.

At the time, it was the only Montessori school in Ottawa. Today, there are almost 30 schools that follow the same educational principles in the Ottawa Valley.

OMS Montessori was consolidated and relocated to its current location in Riverview Park at 335 Lindsay St., about 25 years ago, and today boasts 280 students from as far away as Manotick, Orléans, south Ottawa and the west end.

“So we have a long, long history,” Gere said.

School-age children in three grade levels learn together in a very interactive activity-based environment in which they develop strong academic skills, she said, adding that students start doing research at six years old.

“So by the time they were finishing in Grade 8 they had written more papers for us than most high schools will ever ask them to write,” Gere said. “So they tend to walk into high school believing they can do anything.”

Teachers, known as directrices or directors, give short, directed lessons and kids are set free to work on the assignments.

“The students have a lot of independent work periods,” Gere said. “The majority of work is done outside the classroom structure.”

In keeping with the interactive learning experience, the Grade 7, 8 and 9 students cook a hot lunch three days a week, creating their own menus and do their own grocery shopping on a budget.

“They can cook for 35 people,” she said with a laugh.

The kids, however, won’t be the ones doing the cooking at the school’s inaugural gala fundraiser on May 28 at 6 p.m.

Proceeds raised from the event will offset the cost of new computers for elementary classrooms, an upgraded library computer and other IT infrastructure at OMS Montessori and The Element.

The school’s board of directors also dreams of purchasing a 3D printer for the high school.

“You’re never through purchasing technology,” said Gere.

The catered gala is an opportunity for the community to gather at the heritage Cereal Barn at the Central Experimental Farm for an evening of live jazz music by the London Gentleman Records Band, an appetizer supper, including a pasta station, and a silent auction.

The theme will be ‘Growing Together.’

“That’s sort of our theme for our year. It’s the theme for our year book. It’s sort of apropos in that we’re putting in The Element as well,” the school director said. “But it’s this idea that when we work together we can accomplish a lot.”

Tickets are $100 and will include a partial tax receipt and can be purchased by calling 613-521-5185. For more details, visit omsmontessori.com.

http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-...ol-to-expand-relocate-to-lansdowne-park/
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