Ontario Highways

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by haljackey

Highbury Avenue South / Wenige Expressway to start upgrades next year

http://www.london.ca/residents/Roads-Tra...blic%20Update%20Presentation%20FINAL.pdf

I think the MTO is also planning to rebuild the Highbury/401 interchange soon too, but it won't be free flowing. Stoplights remain on a freeway...

Reddit discussion if interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/londonontario/comments/ect2wo/wenige_expressway_bridgehighbury_avenue/

It might be due to the fact that the freeway section ends at the interchange.

[Dengler Avenue]

For the record, that interchange used to be a full-on cloverleaf.
Freeport Expressway also ends at Conestoga Parkway too, but there’s no light switching from one to another.

If we ever get to it, 400 to 417 and vice versa won’t have lights either.

A freeway-to-freeway connection shouldn’t be interrupted unless the movement’s super rare, like Thunder Bay Expressway northbound to Shabaqua Extension westbound.* (Again, that’s if we get to it.) By this standard, Highbury Avenue southbound to 401 eastbound should at least be uninterrupted. Otherwise, it’s just another source of anger.

* People going between Neebing and Kakabeka Falls will go through Twin City via Highway 130.

[haljackey]

I am hoping something like this is built at Highbury/401. This keeps the offramps to the 401 separated from the stoplights


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[Dengler Avenue]

Yes I’ve seen it from you before! What about 401E to Highbury Avenue N though?

[haljackey]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

What about 401E to Highbury Avenue N though?

Stoplight.

No way MTO will build a flyover here if they can't at the VMP or at Highway 8

And London's ridings aren't PC... Douggie doesn't care about us

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

For the record, that interchange used to be a full-on cloverleaf.
Freeport Expressway also ends at Conestoga Parkway too, but there’s no light switching from one to another.

For the record, they all used to be full cloverleafs. They were changed when the 401 was widened starting 30 years ago in this area, but the overpasses weren't wide enough to handle 6 lanes and ramps. Plus cloverleafs are dangerous. They had to excavate the sides of the Highbury bridge to put the south to east and north to west ramps in with the widened highway. It was also at that same time that Highbury was extended to St Thomas, it used to just end at Wilton Grove Rd, south of the 401. It's not a freeway south of the 401, the lights slow traffic down. You have a major truckstop and a large growing industrial area right there, we can't have traffic barreling in to that area at highway speeds.

I can get behind something similar to what that image is to help the onramps avoid that first light. I've seen something similar in Dayton Ohio at a T intersection where the extreme right lanes on the through lanes were physically separated from the left lanes where traffic was turning left from the ending street onto it. The right lanes didn't have to stop for a red light, while the left hand lanes did. Something similar to that would work at Highbury.

[Dengler Avenue]

What about a roundabout interchange? London, U.K. has a bunch of those, so I guess, barring costs, it shouldn’t hurt to emulate it in this fashion, right?

[sonysnob]

Originally Posted by haljackey

Stoplight.

No way MTO will build a flyover here if they can't at the VMP or at Highway 8

And London's ridings aren't PC... Douggie doesn't care about us

There's only so much pork belly highway projects that the government can undertake in southwestern Ontario at once.

[Dengler Avenue]

Then there’s one that you can’t get behind.

[Loco101]

Trivia question: Where in Ontario can you find municipally owned and maintained roads that have a posted maximum speed of 100 km/h?

I can think of four off the top of my head.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Loco101

Trivia question: Where in Ontario can you find municipally owned and maintained roads that have a posted maximum speed of 100 km/h?

I can think of four off the top of my head.

Windsor,
London,
Guelph,
Hamilton?

Actually, Toronto too, Gardiner's ownership splits at 427.

[Dengler Avenue]

Windsor: yes - EC Row Expressway
London: yes - Highbury Avenue
Guelph: no - Hanlon Parkway is provincial and it’s only 70-80 km/h
Hamilton: no - Linc is 90 km/h and Red Valley has been downed to 80 km/h

There’s an extra one: Ottawa - City Road 174 after the split.

Lol you know what they all have in common? They’re all downloaded provincial highways.
EC Row = Highway 2
Highbury = Highway 126
Gardiner = QEW
The Queensway (east of the split) = Highway 17

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Sudbury can definitely up the speed limits on RR 55, RR 35 and Maley Drive Extension from 80 or 90 to 100, and look: I just mentioned 2 former provincial highways!

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Windsor: yes - EC Row Expressway
London: yes - Highbury Avenue
Guelph: no - Hanlon Parkway is provincial and it’s only 70-80 km/h
Hamilton: no - Linc is 90 km/h and Red Valley has been downed to 80 km/h

There’s an extra one: Ottawa - City Road 174 after the split.

Lol you know what they all have in common? They’re all downloaded provincial highways.
EC Row = Highway 2
Highbury = Highway 126
Gardiner = QEW
The Queensway (east of the split) = Highway 17

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Sudbury can definitely up the speed limits on RR 55, RR 35 and Maley Drive Extension from 80 or 90 to 100, and look: I just mentioned 2 former provincial highways!

They are MR, not RR, as they are Municipal roads, not Regional roads. With the roundabouts, upgrading them to higher speeds would need them replaced with interchanges. MR 55 has lights, so they need to change as well. MR 35 is not divided, so that is the first thing it would need.

I thought the LINC and Red Hill Parkway were owned by the city of Hamilton.

And what about Guelph's Hanlon Parkway?

[bartolo]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

I thought the LINC and Red Hill Parkway were owned by the city of Hamilton.

And what about Guelph's Hanlon Parkway?

LINC and Red Hill are only 90kmh speed limit and Hanlon is Highway 6 owned by the province.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by bartolo

LINC and Red Hill are only 90kmh speed limit and Hanlon is Highway 6 owned by the province.

403 thru Hamilton is 90km/hr..... But it is still considered a freeway.

[Innsertnamehere]

The list of municipally maintained freeways in ontario is as follows:

E.C. Row - Windsor
Dougall Avenue - Windsor
Highbury Ave. - London
Lincoln Alexander Parkway - Hamilton
Red Hill Valley Parkway - Hamilton
Burlington Street / Nikola Tesla Boulevard - Hamilton
Gardiner Expressway - Toronto
Allen Road - Toronto
Don Valley Parkway - Toronto
Kingston Road - Toronto
Highway 174 - Ottawa
Airport Parkway - Ottawa

I'm not sure if the thousand islands parkway stub off the 401 is municipally or provincially owned, but if it's municipally, add it to the list.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

They are MR, not RR, as they are Municipal roads, not Regional roads. With the roundabouts, upgrading them to higher speeds would need them replaced with interchanges. MR 55 has lights, so they need to change as well. MR 35 is not divided, so that is the first thing it would need.

I thought the LINC and Red Hill Parkway were owned by the city of Hamilton.

And what about Guelph's Hanlon Parkway?

I've been confused as to whether to use MR or RR. I was gonna use CR for city road but then everyone would think county road first.

Yea MR 55 will need to see lights replaced by interchanges and the one with TCH reconfigured. Roundabout and interchange aren't mutually exclusive if you do it British-style.

IMO divided roadway need not be a requirement for a speed limit higher than 90 km/h. I mean, even Quebec has 4 notable 2-lane roads (or 5 if you count A55 north of A20 and A955 south of A20 to be different) with speed limit of 100 km/h. Bref, there's a traffic light on A55 at Saint Célestin (some distance south of Pont Laviolette) and MTQ doesn't even bother reducing the speed limit to 80 or 90 km/h. To me, that's next level.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I've been confused as to whether to use MR or RR. I was gonna use CR for city road but then everyone would think county road first.

Yea MR 55 will need to see lights replaced by interchanges and the one with TCH reconfigured. Roundabout and interchange aren't mutually exclusive if you do it British-style.

IMO divided roadway need not be a requirement for a speed limit higher than 90 km/h. I mean, even Quebec has 4 notable 2-lane roads (or 5 if you count A55 north of A20 and A955 south of A20 to be different) with speed limit of 100 km/h. Bref, there's a traffic light on A55 at Saint Célestin (some distance south of Pont Laviolette) and MTQ doesn't even bother reducing the speed limit to 80 or 90 km/h. To me, that's next level.

People around here brake at the roundabout entrance, so, raising the limit would cause things to be worse.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

People around here brake at the roundabout entrance, so, raising the limit would cause things to be worse.

I mean, a roundabout interchange where the freeway traffic will be on either an overpass or an underpass, while exiting and entering traffic will need to go through the roundabout.

By the way, what's with putting a backward design (cloverleaf) at Maley Drive and Old Highway 69 (Sudbury Road 80)??

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I mean, a roundabout interchange where the freeway traffic will be on either an overpass or an underpass, while exiting and entering traffic will need to go through the roundabout.

By the way, what's with putting a backward design (cloverleaf) at Maley Drive and Old Highway 69 (Sudbury Road 80)??

I now understand the first part.

As for the second part, first, no lights, second, this city is backwards, so what do you expect? A 4 level stack?